Any help on what I have here?? - iKnife Collector2024-03-28T11:07:57Zhttps://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/any-help-on-what-i-have-here?groupUrl=vintageamericanknives&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1503042&xg_source=activity&groupId=3181080%3AGroup%3A17788&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWOW! Great info!tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15030572017-10-18T12:06:27.323ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>WOW! Great info!</p>
<p>WOW! Great info!</p> Yes Jan, all of you have been…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15030552017-10-18T07:31:32.794Zjerry marrhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/jerrymarr
<p>Yes Jan, all of you have been plenty helpful on enlightening me on this knife. I really appreciate all of the investigating you've done for me, this is a wonderful group and so helpful. I had the opportunity to chat with a gentleman who was very helpful as well, even wrote a book on KaBar, I believe.. ill copy and paste some of what he enlightened me on, I'm gonna keep his name private.. Respect!</p>
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<p> The knife is a Union Cutlery Company Swell Center Folding Hunter with a back…</p>
<p>Yes Jan, all of you have been plenty helpful on enlightening me on this knife. I really appreciate all of the investigating you've done for me, this is a wonderful group and so helpful. I had the opportunity to chat with a gentleman who was very helpful as well, even wrote a book on KaBar, I believe.. ill copy and paste some of what he enlightened me on, I'm gonna keep his name private.. Respect!</p>
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<p> The knife is a Union Cutlery Company Swell Center Folding Hunter with a back lock made in Olean, New York Between c.1911 and c.1951. In 1951 the Union Cutlery Co changed its name to Ka-Bar Cutlery. It has a carbon steel saber clip blade with a Matchstriker nail pull. Nice set of jigged bone handles. The bolsters and end caps appear to be nickel silver but I’d have to have it in hand to be sure. The blade liners and handle pins can be either brass or steel but I’d guess brass. Does the blade lock and unlock correctly. I can’t see the blade well enough to tell if it was ever sharpened or used but the blade does look to be full.</p>
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<p> But I can see some staining and pitting but doesn’t look too bad from what I can see but again I’d have to have it in hand. I can almost guarantee you the knife is 5 1/4” long with the blade closed. I have a drawing of the exact same knife in a reference book I have published in the 1990’s. If it were in mint condition, 25 years ago, it was estimated to be worth at least $750.00. Your grandfather left you an outstanding knife. Take good care of it. Keep it clean and keep the blade coated with any number of products that help prevent rust. A light oil even. But NOT WD-40 as it will create rust. Ask anyone in your group</p>
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Are we helping any?tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15028512017-10-18T02:36:00.277ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>Are we helping any?</p>
<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>Are we helping any?</p> Ok, found one on an AAPK stor…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15028502017-10-18T02:35:07.523ZSyd Carrhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/SydCarr
<p>Ok, found one on an <a href="https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/catalog/ka-bar-knives/16073-union-olean-new-york-dog-head-lever-lock" target="_blank">AAPK store for sale</a>, like I said, great find!!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jan Carter said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Ok, found one on an <a href="https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/catalog/ka-bar-knives/16073-union-olean-new-york-dog-head-lever-lock" target="_blank">AAPK store for sale</a>, like I said, great find!!<br/> <br/> <cite>Jan Carter said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Lot 59 KA-BAR, Union Cut. Co…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15030422017-10-18T02:30:58.048ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
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<p>Lot 59 KA-BAR, Union Cut. Co. jigged green bone lockback dogshead folding hunter, fold over lever unlocks the blade, blade is low exc except for some pitting and splotches of rusting along the blade back. Rare (90017-sto) Minimum bid $150.00 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/A90/A90%20Page%201.html" target="_blank">http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/A90/A90%20Page%201.html</a> That auction ended 2-9-16. I do not…</p>
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<p>Lot 59 KA-BAR, Union Cut. Co. jigged green bone lockback dogshead folding hunter, fold over lever unlocks the blade, blade is low exc except for some pitting and splotches of rusting along the blade back. Rare (90017-sto) Minimum bid $150.00 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/A90/A90%20Page%201.html" target="_blank">http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/A90/A90%20Page%201.html</a> That auction ended 2-9-16. I do not know what it sold for</p> tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15029362017-10-18T02:23:13.687ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2770590911?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2770590911?profile=original" width="295" class="align-full"/></a></p> Ok, that confirms my suspicio…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15027472017-10-18T02:19:08.820ZSyd Carrhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/SydCarr
<p>Ok, that confirms my suspicion that this may be a pre 1923 knife, fits with info I found on AAPK, and the handles certainly are different than the reissues, (so is the steel from the looks of it). If true I am green with envy, wonderful find.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jan Carter said:…</cite></p>
<p>Ok, that confirms my suspicion that this may be a pre 1923 knife, fits with info I found on AAPK, and the handles certainly are different than the reissues, (so is the steel from the looks of it). If true I am green with envy, wonderful find.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jan Carter said:</cite></p>
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<p>Posted by Ken Spielvogel on August 5, 2013 at 12:21</p>
<p><span>Union Cutlery Co.</span><br/><span>Olean, NY 1911-1951</span><br/><span>KA-BAR brand 1923-1951</span><br/><span>Wallace R. & Emerson Brown</span><br/><span>Danforth Brown Manufacturer</span></p>
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<p><span>I found this in our Research group</span></p>
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</blockquote> KaBar Dating - This came from…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15030402017-10-18T01:58:28.522ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<h1>KaBar Dating - This came from another post and is very helpful</h1>
<p>Posted by Ken Spielvogel on August 5, 2013 at 12:21</p>
<p><span>Union Cutlery Co.</span><br/><span>Olean, NY 1911-1951</span><br/><span>KA-BAR brand 1923-1951</span><br/><span>Wallace R. & Emerson Brown</span><br/><span>Danforth Brown Manufacturer</span></p>
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<p><span>I found this in our Research group</span></p>
<h1>KaBar Dating - This came from another post and is very helpful</h1>
<p>Posted by Ken Spielvogel on August 5, 2013 at 12:21</p>
<p><span>Union Cutlery Co.</span><br/><span>Olean, NY 1911-1951</span><br/><span>KA-BAR brand 1923-1951</span><br/><span>Wallace R. & Emerson Brown</span><br/><span>Danforth Brown Manufacturer</span></p>
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<p><span>I found this in our Research group</span></p> As I am doing some research I…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15029352017-10-18T01:47:23.282ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>As I am doing some research I am adding some Ka-Bar info to the research group</p>
<p>As I am doing some research I am adding some Ka-Bar info to the research group</p> Jan & Jerry, from what I…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-10-18:3181080:Comment:15028472017-10-18T00:45:01.610ZSyd Carrhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/SydCarr
<p>Jan & Jerry, from what I keep reading I believe this ito be a Kabar Lever Lock "Hunter" in Coke Bottle frame, possibly pre 1923. I believe it's less likely to be a 1970's-80's reissue because according to what I have read those had a "Kabar" stamp on them. Of course, researching old knives with obscure branding is like doing a genealogy without adequate documentation, so I could definitely be mistaken. I once found a thread with a bunch of old catalogs in it, I'll try to find that and…</p>
<p>Jan & Jerry, from what I keep reading I believe this ito be a Kabar Lever Lock "Hunter" in Coke Bottle frame, possibly pre 1923. I believe it's less likely to be a 1970's-80's reissue because according to what I have read those had a "Kabar" stamp on them. Of course, researching old knives with obscure branding is like doing a genealogy without adequate documentation, so I could definitely be mistaken. I once found a thread with a bunch of old catalogs in it, I'll try to find that and see if I can find some old Kabar catalogs. Here is the closest thing I have found on the bay that is even similar: <a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Mint-Kabar-Dog-head-Large-Cokebottle-Laminated-Wood-Handles-Ltd-Edition-/112604409522?hash=item1a37beeeb2:g:oOkAAOSwlY1ZNsCo" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Mint-Kabar-Dog-head-Large-Cokebottle-Laminated-Wood-Handles-Ltd-Edition-/112604409522?hash=item1a37beeeb2:g:oOkAAOSwlY1ZNsCo</a>, and here is a reissue version that looks similar but definitely not the same as far as jig, etc goes:<a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-KA-BAR-KNIFE-COLLECTORS-CLUB-Limited-Ed-Coke-Bottle-Foding-Hunter-Knife-/232526371112?hash=item3623a6d928:g:B9cAAOSwA2hZuLuI" target="_blank">http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-KA-BAR-KNIFE-COLLECTORS-CLUB-Limited-Ed-Coke-Bottle-Foding-Hunter-Knife-/232526371112?hash=item3623a6d928:g:B9cAAOSwA2hZuLuI</a><br/> <br/> <cite>Jan Carter said:</cite></p>
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<p>Can you post a pic of the knife as a whole? We can help! Based on what I have seen it IS a KaBar lever lock, no to determine the age</p>
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