Collecting Ethnographic & Aboriginal Knives - iKnife Collector2024-03-28T23:55:35Zhttps://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1286537&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis is interesting. I dont…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-19:3181080:Comment:12865372015-03-19T01:28:58.509ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>This is interesting. I dont know I have seen a collection centered around this type collecting, outside of a museum. Being a history nut I think I would find it fascinating though</p>
<p>This is interesting. I dont know I have seen a collection centered around this type collecting, outside of a museum. Being a history nut I think I would find it fascinating though</p> Thanks for the advice Shlomo…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-18:3181080:Comment:12861052015-03-18T17:21:22.543ZJohn Bamfordhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JohnBamford
<p><br></br> Thanks for the advice Shlomo.</p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Shlomo ben Maved said:</cite></p>
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<p><br/> Thanks for the advice Shlomo.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Shlomo ben Maved said:</cite></p>
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<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1285494&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#3181080Comment1285418"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Is the Khukri marked as Birmingham Shlomo , the reason I ask is that the Khukri's issued to the Gurkha regiment today are made in Nepal . They are certainly pretty authentic judging by the video's of their production visible on You Tube.</p>
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<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Is it authentic sure; is it an authentic kukhri, certainly; is it an authentic Gurkha kukhri, yes but it sure as Hell isn't a genuine Nepalese Gurkha kukhri...So then is it a replica, a reproduction even though it was an issue piece?</p>
<p>Remember that the Gurkhas have been part of the British army for over 200 years.</p>
<p>There were numerous makers of kukhris in England for the Nepalese couldn't keep up production and didn't have the quality control that the DOD wanted...Then again there are so many regional variances in the design as to be staggering.</p>
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</blockquote> Points noted. Thank you for y…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-18:3181080:Comment:12855152015-03-18T00:09:03.600ZLars Rayhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/LarsRay
<p>Points noted. Thank you for your debate.</p>
<p>Points noted. Thank you for your debate.</p> It was issued to a Gurkha fig…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12856712015-03-17T23:42:50.084ZShlomo ben Mavedhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/ShlomobenMaved
<p>It was issued to a Gurkha fighting in France during WW1 so yes it's military and yes it's regimental (Gurkha) but it isn't authentic as it came from England just as a lot of these modern kukhri emporiums get their blades from India.</p>
<p>So then if my flint stuff was made by a good friend, Anthony Redcoat of the Cree tribe instead of a museum curator it would be authentic? Not even close...Same with the tomahawk...They are all replicas or reproductions regardless of who made them or…</p>
<p>It was issued to a Gurkha fighting in France during WW1 so yes it's military and yes it's regimental (Gurkha) but it isn't authentic as it came from England just as a lot of these modern kukhri emporiums get their blades from India.</p>
<p>So then if my flint stuff was made by a good friend, Anthony Redcoat of the Cree tribe instead of a museum curator it would be authentic? Not even close...Same with the tomahawk...They are all replicas or reproductions regardless of who made them or where...Same as a broadsword or rapier or fighting hammer is even if made in a restored smithy in England or France...They may be authentic to the style and maybe even the construction but that's all.</p>
<p>BTW--your references to the Samurai sword has a couple of minor errors in it...There is no such thing as a Samurai sword they are katanas, period...To be Samurai was a hereditary title, passed down through the generations and all it meant, in simplistic terms, was that you could wear the <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>two swords</em></span> and that you were nobility...You could be a Samurai and have never held a katana in your life let alone trained in its use--because your forefathers were...Also the actual blade design came from China and due to the poor quality of the iron ore the smelting techniques developed the blade into a specific shape (which changed drastically over the centuries) and therefore fighting style.</p>
<p>Your Aztec knife is the same as the movie sword from the Highlander and probably available at about the same number of dealers...I've seen yours offered from $33 to $45...Google Aztec Ceremonial Knife and you get hundreds of hits...If it had jade handles then it would be a reproduction but as it stands now, it just a souvenir.<br/> <br/> <cite>Lars Ray said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1285494&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#3181080Comment1285491"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Dzien dobry Shlomo! - Thank you for your comment. These are all good points to consider. Your WW1 Kukhri in my opinion is not so much authentic ethnographically speaking as it is authentic military issue - although I suppose it could actually fit in both camps based on the regiment it was issued to. </p>
<p>As for your flint pieces, again in my opinion, I would classify them as "copies", representing those from the Eastern Forest Region. Nothing against the <span>nice old Jewish guy, named Horowitz, but I doubt he is aboriginal to the region, and from a different ethnicity than those of the peoples of the Eastern Forest Region - but that's a guess on my part.</span></p>
<p>Now your Tomahawk is a great item for discussion. I would certainly call that authentic, as he is making something that his people traded for and used regularly. And I have every confidence that if First Nation tribes learned to work with metals as other cultures have, they would have pitched the flint stone centuries before Europeans arrived!</p>
<p>Again, these are my opinions. I can assure you that a purist in ethnographic or aboriginal collections would discount my own pieces as I have described them - being that no ancient people actually used them. Few if any account for modern evolution.</p>
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<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>As to regional it takes into account Philippine bolos and balisongs, Indonesian parangs, African pangas, South American machetes, Spanish navaja knives, sugar can knives, cotton knives, etc.</p>
<p>Some primitive makers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.idahoknifeworks.com/" target="_blank">http://www.idahoknifeworks.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.north-river-custom-knives.com/" target="_blank">http://www.north-river-custom-knives.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.winklerknives.com/">http://www.winklerknives.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://jmcknives.blademakers.com/" target="_blank">http://jmcknives.blademakers.com/</a></p>
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</blockquote> It has the Crown over the cro…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12857402015-03-17T23:03:24.139ZShlomo ben Mavedhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/ShlomobenMaved
<p>It has the Crown over the crossed maces so it's definitely Birmingham although the maker's mark and date are long gone.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>John Bamford said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1285494&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#3181080Comment1285418"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Is the Khukri marked as Birmingham Shlomo , the reason I ask is…</p>
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<p>It has the Crown over the crossed maces so it's definitely Birmingham although the maker's mark and date are long gone.<br/> <br/> <cite>John Bamford said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1285494&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#3181080Comment1285418"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Is the Khukri marked as Birmingham Shlomo , the reason I ask is that the Khukri's issued to the Gurkha regiment today are made in Nepal . They are certainly pretty authentic judging by the video's of their production visible on You Tube.</p>
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<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Is it authentic sure; is it an authentic kukhri, certainly; is it an authentic Gurkha kukhri, yes but it sure as Hell isn't a genuine Nepalese Gurkha kukhri...So then is it a replica, a reproduction even though it was an issue piece?</p>
<p>Remember that the Gurkhas have been part of the British army for over 200 years.</p>
<p>There were numerous makers of kukhris in England for the Nepalese couldn't keep up production and didn't have the quality control that the DOD wanted...Then again there are so many regional variances in the design as to be staggering.</p>
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</div> Sanjay Khukuri, from Khukuri…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12854942015-03-17T22:21:39.234ZJ.J. Smith IIIhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JohnJSmithIII
<p>Sanjay Khukuri, from Khukuri House is a member, though not active. might want to contact him for more information...</p>
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<p><br></br> <cite>John Bamford said:…</cite></p>
<p>Sanjay Khukuri, from Khukuri House is a member, though not active. might want to contact him for more information...</p>
<p><a href="http://iknifecollector.com/profile/KhukuriHouse" target="_blank">http://iknifecollector.com/profile/KhukuriHouse</a></p>
<p><br/> <cite>John Bamford said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1285492&xg_source=activity&groupId=3181080%3AGroup%3A10705#3181080Comment1285478"><div><p>This is reputed to be a good place to buy a Khukri, though Ihaven't used them myself ,</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.php" target="_blank">http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.php</a></p>
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</blockquote> Oh - I forgot to respond to t…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12856642015-03-17T22:02:54.684ZLars Rayhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/LarsRay
<p>Oh - I forgot to respond to this comment...thanks for pointing that out. I was totally unaware. I'll have to look those up because while I think I understand what might be classified as Primitives, Regional Implements is not as clear. Judging by title alone, my first impression would be the regional differences of say, Swedish Viking knives, or in John's case, the Claymore verses the Norman Sword. </p>
<p>But as I said...I'm judging the category by it's title only. Where are these located at…</p>
<p>Oh - I forgot to respond to this comment...thanks for pointing that out. I was totally unaware. I'll have to look those up because while I think I understand what might be classified as Primitives, Regional Implements is not as clear. Judging by title alone, my first impression would be the regional differences of say, Swedish Viking knives, or in John's case, the Claymore verses the Norman Sword. </p>
<p>But as I said...I'm judging the category by it's title only. Where are these located at on iKC, do you know?<br/> <br/> <cite>Shlomo ben Maved said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&#3181080Comment1285591"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><span style="font: small/18.2px arial, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: #545454; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: #ffffff; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Dzien dobry </span> -- Lovely piece Lars,</p>
<p>FYI there are already recognized categories to these knives: Primitives and Regional Implements.</p>
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</blockquote> You are correct John, and I h…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12854922015-03-17T21:51:57.310ZLars Rayhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/LarsRay
<p>You are correct John, and I have come within pennies of making a purchase from this same site, and for the same reasons as this article promotes - I consider these to be authentic blades made for the serious user, not <span>souvenirs or decorative presentation pieces only.</span><br></br> <br></br> <cite>John Bamford said:…</cite></p>
<p>You are correct John, and I have come within pennies of making a purchase from this same site, and for the same reasons as this article promotes - I consider these to be authentic blades made for the serious user, not <span>souvenirs or decorative presentation pieces only.</span><br/> <br/> <cite>John Bamford said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&xg_source=activity#3181080Comment1285478"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This is reputed to be a good place to buy a Khukri, though I haven't used them myself ,</p>
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</blockquote> Dzien dobry Shlomo! - Thank y…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12854912015-03-17T21:47:24.197ZLars Rayhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/LarsRay
<p>Dzien dobry Shlomo! - Thank you for your comment. These are all good points to consider. Your WW1 Kukhri in my opinion is not so much authentic ethnographically speaking as it is authentic military issue - although I suppose it could actually fit in both camps based on the regiment it was issued to. </p>
<p>As for your flint pieces, again in my opinion, I would classify them as "copies", representing those from the Eastern Forest Region. Nothing against the <span>nice old Jewish guy, named…</span></p>
<p>Dzien dobry Shlomo! - Thank you for your comment. These are all good points to consider. Your WW1 Kukhri in my opinion is not so much authentic ethnographically speaking as it is authentic military issue - although I suppose it could actually fit in both camps based on the regiment it was issued to. </p>
<p>As for your flint pieces, again in my opinion, I would classify them as "copies", representing those from the Eastern Forest Region. Nothing against the <span>nice old Jewish guy, named Horowitz, but I doubt he is aboriginal to the region, and from a different ethnicity than those of the peoples of the Eastern Forest Region - but that's a guess on my part.</span></p>
<p>Now your Tomahawk is a great item for discussion. I would certainly call that authentic, as he is making something that his people traded for and used regularly. And I have every confidence that if First Nation tribes learned to work with metals as other cultures have, they would have pitched the flint stone centuries before Europeans arrived!</p>
<p>Again, these are my opinions. I can assure you that a purist in ethnographic or aboriginal collections would discount my own pieces as I have described them - being that no ancient people actually used them. Few if any account for modern evolution.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Shlomo ben Maved said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/collecting-ethnographic-aboriginal-knives?groupUrl=beginnercollectors&xg_source=activity#3181080Comment1285591"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><span style="font: small/18.2px arial, sans-serif; text-align: left; color: #545454; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important; white-space: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; background-color: #ffffff; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Dzien dobry </span> -- Lovely piece Lars,</p>
<p>FYI there are already recognized categories to these knives: Primitives and Regional Implements.</p>
<p>I've got a kukhri made during WW1, issued to a gurkha regiment, used in France, brought back by a great uncle. Is this an authentic piece certainly but is it really an authentic kukhri as it was made for the DOD by some Birmingham cutler?</p>
<p>I have some chert/flint pieces indicative to Eastern Forest Tribes. Two specifically being mentioned are a knife with deer tine handle, sinew wrapped (artificial) and housed in a quilled leather sheath and secondly, a leaf shaped spearhead on a hardwood shaft (store bought dowel), wrapped with sinew (also artificial) and having dangling owl feathers. They were copied from examples at an Ottawa, Ontario museum. Does that make them authentic or replicas as they aren't exact copies and also, what of the fact that they were made by a nice old Jewish guy, named Horowitz.</p>
<p>Is a modern day tomahawk made by a First Nation tribal member an authentic tomahawk? I mean Indians never made metal tomahawks they traded for them as they did for any and every metal product since Columbus.</p>
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</blockquote> This is reputed to be a good…tag:iknifecollector.com,2015-03-17:3181080:Comment:12854782015-03-17T20:23:23.833ZJohn Bamfordhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JohnBamford
<p>This is reputed to be a good place to buy a Khukri, though I haven't used them myself ,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.php" target="_blank">http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.php</a></p>
<p>This is reputed to be a good place to buy a Khukri, though I haven't used them myself ,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.php" target="_blank">http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/KhukuriInfo.php</a></p>