Knife Robot: World's First Auto Knife Sharpener - iKnife Collector2024-03-29T14:03:05Zhttps://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/knife-robot-world-s-first-auto-knife-sharpener?groupUrl=knifesharpeners&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1474476&xg_source=activity&groupId=3181080%3AGroup%3A14378&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI found this article which pr…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-18:3181080:Comment:14746402017-03-18T09:12:35.153ZD alehttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/DaleDavenport
<p style="text-align: center;">I found <a href="http://www.ammoland.com/2017/03/knife-robot-first-knife-sharpener-with-serious-edge-over-competition/#axzz4bfIg0KlM" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this article</a> which presents slightly more specific detail .. re: excerpt below.<br></br>.<br></br>The Knife Robot has seven motors that sense the knife shape in 4 DoF (degrees of freedom forward, backward, side to side) and with its precision sander it detects the burrs, removing them based on custom input…</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I found <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ammoland.com/2017/03/knife-robot-first-knife-sharpener-with-serious-edge-over-competition/#axzz4bfIg0KlM" target="_blank">this article</a> which presents slightly more specific detail .. re: excerpt below.<br/>.<br/>The Knife Robot has seven motors that sense the knife shape in 4 DoF (degrees of freedom forward, backward, side to side) and with its precision sander it detects the burrs, removing them based on custom input of angle, speed, and pressure. The portable version for home cooks and hobbyists allows you to choose the sander motor speed and the angle (10 to 45 degrees per side). You can also choose a different angle on each side and the amount of pressure (light, medium, hard belt pressure), and watch on the portable’s screen courtesy of a microscopic camera.</p>
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<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none; text-align: center;">I could not find a lot else except for sales hype ..likely.. because it's not in production yet.</div> I can certainly understand th…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14744762017-03-17T14:23:59.431ZJ.J. Smith IIIhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JohnJSmithIII
I can certainly understand the commercial aspect here, but I'm just a poor old retiree that could never spend this much on a sharpening machine, for personal use.<br />
I'm more of the type that is appreciative of the system that Dale keeps in a cigar box. I keep the bulk of my sharpening supplies in a small tool bag, with plenty of room left over.<br />
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My everpresent EzeLap is good for my blood pressure; either by the relaxation it provides or the blood I've shed...
I can certainly understand the commercial aspect here, but I'm just a poor old retiree that could never spend this much on a sharpening machine, for personal use.<br />
I'm more of the type that is appreciative of the system that Dale keeps in a cigar box. I keep the bulk of my sharpening supplies in a small tool bag, with plenty of room left over.<br />
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My everpresent EzeLap is good for my blood pressure; either by the relaxation it provides or the blood I've shed... ... and, Steve
... please do…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14745512017-03-17T10:35:32.129ZD alehttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/DaleDavenport
<p style="text-align: center;">... and, Steve</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">... please do understand...</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I'm not trying to "rain on your parade" here. </p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Nor do I mean to come off as some old "know it all" engineer .. irrespective of how it likely appears.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I just wouldn't do that.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">You've proven your strong support for a community I value.…</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">... and, Steve</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">... please do understand...</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I'm not trying to "rain on your parade" here. </p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Nor do I mean to come off as some old "know it all" engineer .. irrespective of how it likely appears.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I just wouldn't do that.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">You've proven your strong support for a community I value.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">I am suggesting caution.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Your comment "... and do some research first." suggests you are going down that road already.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Enjoy</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">D ale</p> As does Abby ..&.. I take…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14744752017-03-17T10:13:32.393ZD alehttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/DaleDavenport
<p style="text-align: center;">As does Abby ..&.. I take it as a compliment.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Further, she now recognizes the difference between a sharp & dull cutting edge. And what she now considers dull .. many would still consider sharp. I love that girl .. Big Smile !!!</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jan Carter said:…</cite></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">As does Abby ..&.. I take it as a compliment.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Further, she now recognizes the difference between a sharp & dull cutting edge. And what she now considers dull .. many would still consider sharp. I love that girl .. Big Smile !!!</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jan Carter said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/knife-robot-world-s-first-auto-knife-sharpener?groupUrl=knifesharpeners&xg_source=activity&groupId=3181080%3AGroup%3A14378&id=3181080%3ATopic%3A1474078&page=1#3181080Comment1474323"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>... When I need a knife cleaned or sharpened I leave it in the shop ...</p>
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</blockquote> I went back & took a more…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14746272017-03-17T06:17:15.711ZD alehttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/DaleDavenport
<p style="text-align: center;">I went back & took a more thorough look & found this .. it seems to address what I was whining about.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2770570913?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-center" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2770570913?profile=original" width="410"></img></a> I still have some skepticism .. it's innate.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">? Why 7 motors ?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Again, I spent 27 years designing antennas & the tooling to fabricate…</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I went back & took a more thorough look & found this .. it seems to address what I was whining about.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2770570913?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2770570913?profile=original" class="align-center" width="410"/></a>I still have some skepticism .. it's innate.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">? Why 7 motors ?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Again, I spent 27 years designing antennas & the tooling to fabricate them.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Simplicity always proved the best approach.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The more complicated the design .. the more points of potential failure.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Maybe it will be the proverbial "cat's meow".</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I'd prefer to see a working prototype & view actual results.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">What is the purpose of the microscopic camera ? Is there a feed-back loop in the design where the image is used for computer analysis of .. a burr ..or.. something ..&.. the resultant data is then used to minimize the burr & then further sharpen. Frankly .. my finger does that. <br/>.<br/>Quest: How much would it cost to outright purchase 2 ~ 3 units of the ubiquitous 1" X 30" belt sanders & equip ea one with a different grit belt. Then, generate a simple fixture that would maintain a given angle relative to the belt. Finally, add an inverter (12VDC to 120VAC) of sufficient capacity to power everything. Install it in the back of a van & you'd have a "mobile sharpening system".</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">The sharpening process would be more labor intensive. However, I believe you could sharpen a knife in about 5 minutes.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Using a 1X30 belt sander & a worn belt .. I can sharpen my mini-machete yard implement in under a minute.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">I realize this is all coming off as overly critical .. but ................</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">I'd wish to evaluate a working model & the results thereof before investing. I'd be VERY hesitant to purchase one of the first production run. Give them a chance to work out the bugs !!!</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Enjoy</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">D ale</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"></p> I am hoping one of those shar…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14744702017-03-17T01:05:47.873ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p><span>I am hoping one of those sharpeners shows up at Blade so I can see it work!</span></p>
<p><span>I am hoping one of those sharpeners shows up at Blade so I can see it work!</span></p> And indeed .. that's why I qu…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14745452017-03-17T00:45:26.549ZD alehttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/DaleDavenport
<p style="text-align: center;">And indeed .. that's why I qualified w/ "my own personal application".</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I can indeed see a commercial application where one "more or less" just drops a knife in & is then free to do another required task. I may have missed it in the article ..but.. what I did see was reference to a 40 (ish) degree included angle. I would insist .. commercial application or otherwise .. on some control over this angle.…</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">And indeed .. that's why I qualified w/ "my own personal application".</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I can indeed see a commercial application where one "more or less" just drops a knife in & is then free to do another required task. I may have missed it in the article ..but.. what I did see was reference to a 40 (ish) degree included angle. I would insist .. commercial application or otherwise .. on some control over this angle.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">e.g. I've some knives I purchased strictly for the example provided of a specific locking mechanism. I've a personal interest in such. The blade steel is not the best in some of these. Given the "lower" quality of the blade steel .. I sharpen to a wider included angle. This results in a more robust edge & to some extent .. reduces rolling over a burr in the process. For my mini-machete that I have for yard work .. I also sharpen to a wider included angle .. for the more robust edge. Hatchets get the same treatment.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Then .. there's one of my favorites .. Queen's PHD2. I purposely sharpen that to an included angle of as low as 24~28 deg .. on my #06L teardrop. I do so because 1). I can & 2). the blade steel will support that low of an angle. Sure .. the resulting edge is more fragile ..but.. it is also PHD2. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.petersheattreat.com/blades/" target="_blank">Peter's Heat</a> Treating, Inc. ...imo.. knows what they're doing. The blade on the 06l is only about 0.073" ~0.075" thick @ the spine & when combined with an edge of an included angle of 24~28 deg .. provides scalpel like precision cutting. Slides through cheese quite nicely too. It's sweet.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">To the point .. I did not see ('n I may have just missed it) .. any control over the given angle at which the knife is sharpened . For something around $300.oo .. I'd want the ability to provide special customers w/ custom blades incorporating steel capable of supporting lower angles . those lower angles. I did not see that control available.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">I'm guessing ... sharpening on a commercial level .. would involve visiting the kitchens of a # of restaurants & sharpening the resident chef's knives. I'm also guessing .. given the appropriate blade steel & temper .. they'd greatly appreciate something smaller than 40(ish) degrees. Further .. I'd expect to be able to provide them with such upon request. Again .. maybe it would be available in the final version .. I did not note it in the referenced article.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">And I may have just missed this too ..but.. does one really just drop the blade in & walk away? Coming from an engineering background where a good portion of it was spent in the steel fabrication industry .. I can assure you that the knives inherent in metal forming dies are quite securely held / locked in place during their sharpening process. This was another point of concern for me.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">However .. before making too severe of judgments .. I'd want to SEE a prototype in action & witness the result.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Just sayen'</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Hey .. if it works as described ..&.. provided some adjustable range of the final included angle .. it might be worth it. I would NOT want one of the first production run though.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Again .. just sayen'</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Enjoy the evening !!</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">D ale</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"></p> Manx,
I think your on to some…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-17:3181080:Comment:14743782017-03-17T00:39:16.952ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>Manx,</p>
<p>I think your on to something there !</p>
<p>Manx,</p>
<p>I think your on to something there !</p> My interest lies in the comme…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-16:3181080:Comment:14745382017-03-16T20:16:32.333ZSteve Scheuerman (Manx)https://iknifecollector.com/profile/SteveScheuerman
<p>My interest lies in the commercial aspect. I love to throw on the tube and sharpen as well, and take much pride in the edges I create. That being said, to sharpen commercially by hand is not a feasible option if you want to make a buck and value your time. I see being able to throw this in my van and travel to a number of kitchens in town and sharpening their knives on-site. If this thing does a 5min turnover, that is potentially 12 knives per hour. At $7 a knife that is $84/hr. Or, I could…</p>
<p>My interest lies in the commercial aspect. I love to throw on the tube and sharpen as well, and take much pride in the edges I create. That being said, to sharpen commercially by hand is not a feasible option if you want to make a buck and value your time. I see being able to throw this in my van and travel to a number of kitchens in town and sharpening their knives on-site. If this thing does a 5min turnover, that is potentially 12 knives per hour. At $7 a knife that is $84/hr. Or, I could have this at our tradeshows selling my knives and offer a sharpening service as well for some extra cash. </p>
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<p>I would never give up sharpening my own knives and knives of friends and family, but the commercial ramifications of this could be quite significant in my opinion. Especially as a small business opportunity. Depending on the quality of the machine and the job it does, I think it may have quite the potential.</p> Dale,
Donnie so very much agr…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-03-16:3181080:Comment:14743232017-03-16T19:49:39.777ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>Dale,</p>
<p>Donnie so very much agrees! He loves his time in front of a stone. Even though he has the 2 X 72 and he has various other items, when he does a final sharpen, it happens on his trusted stones by hand. Freehand is how he has taught me. I am not great, angles get away from me sometimes, because I am buzy (read as lazy). When I need a knife cleaned or sharpened I leave it in the shop LOL</p>
<p>Dale,</p>
<p>Donnie so very much agrees! He loves his time in front of a stone. Even though he has the 2 X 72 and he has various other items, when he does a final sharpen, it happens on his trusted stones by hand. Freehand is how he has taught me. I am not great, angles get away from me sometimes, because I am buzy (read as lazy). When I need a knife cleaned or sharpened I leave it in the shop LOL</p>