What is a "custom knife"? - iKnife Collector2024-03-28T21:41:49Zhttps://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/what-is-a-custom-knife?feed=yes&xn_auth=noOur laws are not changing yet…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-04-14:3181080:Comment:15375532018-04-14T18:10:09.919ZSteve Scheuerman (Manx)https://iknifecollector.com/profile/SteveScheuerman
<p>Our laws are not changing yet, knock on wood. If anything, the CBSA's idiocy at the border opens up the market for custom makers in Canada if they make assisted opening knives, flippers or one-hand opening knives. </p>
<p>Our laws are not changing yet, knock on wood. If anything, the CBSA's idiocy at the border opens up the market for custom makers in Canada if they make assisted opening knives, flippers or one-hand opening knives. </p> Thanks for the heads up on th…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-04-14:3181080:Comment:15374452018-04-14T00:22:45.476ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>Thanks for the heads up on the video :)</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up on the video :)</p> DLKG,
Reasonable people will…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-18:3181080:Comment:15338822018-03-18T23:25:28.075ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>DLKG,</p>
<p>Reasonable people will generally find a common ground and work from there. Another slippery slope, in my opinion career politicians are no longer reasonable people LOL. Fortunately, we have active groups with the knowledge and passion to help with our fight at this stage, where it is only turning back a few laws and safe guarding many more rights for us.</p>
<p>As the UK "gravity knife" discussion takes place a reasonable person in Parliament that has taken action. This began…</p>
<p>DLKG,</p>
<p>Reasonable people will generally find a common ground and work from there. Another slippery slope, in my opinion career politicians are no longer reasonable people LOL. Fortunately, we have active groups with the knowledge and passion to help with our fight at this stage, where it is only turning back a few laws and safe guarding many more rights for us.</p>
<p>As the UK "gravity knife" discussion takes place a reasonable person in Parliament that has taken action. This began as a discussion on a UK forum from what I understand. I pray this is not the only legal action they will take. There are some other knife related items that could use a looking at in the UK.</p>
<p>Which brings me back to the custom discussion. Does anyone know if this is effecting custom makers in Canada?</p> Coincidentally, just a couple…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-18:3181080:Comment:15338042018-03-18T21:43:55.293Zdead_left_knife_guyhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/deadleftknifeguy
<p>Coincidentally, just a couple days ago Samantha Bee did a not so favorable profile on Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance on her weekly show "Full Frontal". Just goes to show that us liberals have plenty of reasons not to like him either (though he's done some good things in his role). Prosecutorial discretion may be legal, but that doesn't mean it's always right -- as Cy Vance himself seems to acknowledge in the video.</p>
<p>I don't want to turn the discussion here into left versus right politics. …</p>
<p>Coincidentally, just a couple days ago Samantha Bee did a not so favorable profile on Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance on her weekly show "Full Frontal". Just goes to show that us liberals have plenty of reasons not to like him either (though he's done some good things in his role). Prosecutorial discretion may be legal, but that doesn't mean it's always right -- as Cy Vance himself seems to acknowledge in the video.</p>
<p>I don't want to turn the discussion here into left versus right politics. To the contrary, I mention it because it shows that we all still have plenty in common as people who share a common background, which also means a common sense of morality. We may argue who is hurting who -- but we all tend to agree that hurting others is simply wrong, and I think that's where we have incredible foundations on which to build bridges between the disagreements. </p>
<p>I won't post the link here in case that would be "a bridge too far," so to speak, but if you're interested, you should be able to find it pretty easily by going to YouTube & searching for "Samantha Bee" & "Cy Vance". Oh, she's pretty free with her language -- just a heads up, in case you have kids in the room...</p> I do believe your correct in…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-11:3181080:Comment:15334582018-03-11T18:55:34.216ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>I do believe your correct in that we have gone full circle. Yes those creating the knives are indeed artisans and a customer of their works, in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>Also in my eyes anything that changes the original state of the knife is customization.</p>
<p>As for the definitions we all need be concerned with right now, DLKG is very correct in stating that the fight for switchblades, automatics and gravity knives concern us all. Say you are a traditional collector, you collect…</p>
<p>I do believe your correct in that we have gone full circle. Yes those creating the knives are indeed artisans and a customer of their works, in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>Also in my eyes anything that changes the original state of the knife is customization.</p>
<p>As for the definitions we all need be concerned with right now, DLKG is very correct in stating that the fight for switchblades, automatics and gravity knives concern us all. Say you are a traditional collector, you collect custom sowbellies. This is not a pattern that has been adopted/modified by the more modern knife makers and designers, so why does this fight concern you? The age old question of "what next" comes to mind immediately to me. Let's face it, there are only so many designs a knife can practically have, so "whats next?" Custom knives could easily fall into that category. The same folks that came after the other knives could now say something we would find ridiculous, they are stealing someone elses design!!</p>
<p>There in lies our slippery slope! We need to ban together support the 2 groups that are supporting our rights in the background. Find one you like the methods of, step up and help support the fight now or we will all be fighting it at some point as our friends in the UK are.</p>
<p>I dont know about you, but I dont want to fight with anyone over my tableware LOL</p> Interesting. Leveraging your…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-11:3181080:Comment:15334552018-03-11T17:38:11.119ZLars Rayhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/LarsRay
<p>Interesting. Leveraging your comment (hopefully not out of context), "<span>The maker knows it was made to the specifications of a certain customer", </span>I can conclude the real debate is to define the "customer", and not whether a knife is "custom" made. While I understand what you are implying with that comment, one could argue (as Jan stated) that the maker him/herself is the customer who is defining the specifications. </p>
<p>I think we have just gone full circle....no? …</p>
<p>Interesting. Leveraging your comment (hopefully not out of context), "<span>The maker knows it was made to the specifications of a certain customer", </span>I can conclude the real debate is to define the "customer", and not whether a knife is "custom" made. While I understand what you are implying with that comment, one could argue (as Jan stated) that the maker him/herself is the customer who is defining the specifications. </p>
<p>I think we have just gone full circle....no? :-) </p>
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<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/what-is-a-custom-knife?xg_source=activity#3181080Comment1533532"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Lars, that is an excellent question & I would respond that a custom knife is always a custom knife, regardless of what happens to it after it's made. I think there are plenty of knife makers who have made a custom knife for a customer only to have the customer back out on payment. At that point the knife maker is smart to sell the knife off to someone else. In this case, the knife maker can legitimately claim it's a custom knife, even if the knife wasn't made custom to the actual buyer's specs.</p>
<p>As far as having proof, to take an approach from moral philosophy, something Immanuel Kant might say, is that the thing itself is its own proof (the "Ding an Sich"). The maker knows it was made to the specifications of a certain customer. As far as convincing a skeptical buyer is another issue entirely, & it's up to the maker to determine if he or she wants to bother. Though I suppose the maker could go about doing so in several ways.</p>
<p>However, if the actual buyer requested the maker do something like add or remove a blade coating, or change the handle scales to some other material, etc., at that point, the custom knife has also become customized.</p>
<p>Also, I would say another twist would be the actual buyer of the knife requesting another knife identical to the original. I would say that the second knife would also be a custom knife, but made to the spec's of the second, actual buyer The spec's may be an exact copy of the original, but it was the second buyer that ordered the specs, & so it is that second buyer's spec's that make the knife custom. (This adds a layer of complexity that I'm not quite as certain of at the moment, not having completely thought it through since it was an example that occurred to me as I wrote this response; I may or may not think about this a bit more, & of course everyone's input is welcome).</p>
<p>I should also add to the original conversation that defining "custom knife" really isn't as likely to be as important as defining "gravity knife"simply because the latter is a criminal issue, & the former never has been quite as pressing as a criminal matter, at least not as far as I know. Which is of course why Knife Rights focuses on definitions like "gravity knife" & "switchblade", & not definitions like "custom knife".</p>
<p>G'night, all! </p>
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</blockquote> Speaking of which =) does any…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-11:3181080:Comment:15335342018-03-11T06:20:24.770ZKnife Sharkhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/KnifeShark
<p>Speaking of which =) does anyone here own the new zt Hinderer zt0393? Damn that's a hansome knife I heard the scales are thinner than his original design but so far no is complaining =)</p>
<p>Speaking of which =) does anyone here own the new zt Hinderer zt0393? Damn that's a hansome knife I heard the scales are thinner than his original design but so far no is complaining =)</p> Also since these pieces are s…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-11:3181080:Comment:15335332018-03-11T06:17:52.331ZKnife Sharkhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/KnifeShark
<p>Also since these pieces are special, They are usually very expensive on average possibly $1300 and up? and yes people backing out on payments is not good, which is probably why knife designers go to production companies to make a living! they get to work with a well known company taking there original designs and recreating metallic art using the collaborated ideas sometimes restraints of there own designs? I assume it does take some getting use too! on the other hand, there is no shame in…</p>
<p>Also since these pieces are special, They are usually very expensive on average possibly $1300 and up? and yes people backing out on payments is not good, which is probably why knife designers go to production companies to make a living! they get to work with a well known company taking there original designs and recreating metallic art using the collaborated ideas sometimes restraints of there own designs? I assume it does take some getting use too! on the other hand, there is no shame in collaborating an original design and there are some advantages as a designer you are now promoted! people know who you are as designer and your personal designer work gets a leg up. I suppose in the end there is some give in take, but it's all good! we take the good with the bad =)<br/> <br/> <cite>Omar Calderon said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://iknifecollector.com/forum/comment/show?id=3181080%3AComment%3A1533435&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&xg_token=3a02e6445233ef3abf60984acbac98ae&_=1520748593731#3181080Comment1533435"><div><p>as far as I know a custom knife is one guy (Well Known Designer or not), making a knife from start to finish, using his various tools, possibly some machining in some cases it's also his own timeline when ever he's done is when he's done. when he is done you are left with a beautiful work of art! usually completing "The one piece" possibly never to be seen again in some cases. in other words the buyer is purchasing a one of a kind! in my opinion it is the holy grail of metallic cutting art and is an honor to own! =) does that sound about right? or is too romantic?? =) =)</p>
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</blockquote> as far as I know a custom kni…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-11:3181080:Comment:15334352018-03-11T06:09:51.637ZKnife Sharkhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/KnifeShark
<p>as far as I know a custom knife is one guy (Well Known Designer or not), making a knife from start to finish, using his various tools, possibly some machining in some cases it's also his own timeline when ever he's done is when he's done. when he is done you are left with a beautiful work of art! usually completing "The one piece" possibly never to be seen again in some cases. in other words the buyer is purchasing a one of a kind! in my opinion it is the holy grail of metallic cutting art…</p>
<p>as far as I know a custom knife is one guy (Well Known Designer or not), making a knife from start to finish, using his various tools, possibly some machining in some cases it's also his own timeline when ever he's done is when he's done. when he is done you are left with a beautiful work of art! usually completing "The one piece" possibly never to be seen again in some cases. in other words the buyer is purchasing a one of a kind! in my opinion it is the holy grail of metallic cutting art and is an honor to own! =) does that sound about right? or is too romantic?? =) =)</p> Lars, that is an excellent qu…tag:iknifecollector.com,2018-03-11:3181080:Comment:15335322018-03-11T04:48:22.904Zdead_left_knife_guyhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/deadleftknifeguy
<p>Lars, that is an excellent question & I would respond that a custom knife is always a custom knife, regardless of what happens to it after it's made. I think there are plenty of knife makers who have made a custom knife for a customer only to have the customer back out on payment. At that point the knife maker is smart to sell the knife off to someone else. In this case, the knife maker can legitimately claim it's a custom knife, even if the knife wasn't made custom to the actual…</p>
<p>Lars, that is an excellent question & I would respond that a custom knife is always a custom knife, regardless of what happens to it after it's made. I think there are plenty of knife makers who have made a custom knife for a customer only to have the customer back out on payment. At that point the knife maker is smart to sell the knife off to someone else. In this case, the knife maker can legitimately claim it's a custom knife, even if the knife wasn't made custom to the actual buyer's specs.</p>
<p>As far as having proof, to take an approach from moral philosophy, something Immanuel Kant might say, is that the thing itself is its own proof (the "Ding an Sich"). The maker knows it was made to the specifications of a certain customer. As far as convincing a skeptical buyer is another issue entirely, & it's up to the maker to determine if he or she wants to bother. Though I suppose the maker could go about doing so in several ways.</p>
<p>However, if the actual buyer requested the maker do something like add or remove a blade coating, or change the handle scales to some other material, etc., at that point, the custom knife has also become customized.</p>
<p>Also, I would say another twist would be the actual buyer of the knife requesting another knife identical to the original. I would say that the second knife would also be a custom knife, but made to the spec's of the second, actual buyer The spec's may be an exact copy of the original, but it was the second buyer that ordered the specs, & so it is that second buyer's spec's that make the knife custom. (This adds a layer of complexity that I'm not quite as certain of at the moment, not having completely thought it through since it was an example that occurred to me as I wrote this response; I may or may not think about this a bit more, & of course everyone's input is welcome).</p>
<p>I should also add to the original conversation that defining "custom knife" really isn't as likely to be as important as defining "gravity knife"simply because the latter is a criminal issue, & the former never has been quite as pressing as a criminal matter, at least not as far as I know. Which is of course why Knife Rights focuses on definitions like "gravity knife" & "switchblade", & not definitions like "custom knife".</p>
<p>G'night, all! </p>