Who Has The Best Steel? - iKnife Collector2024-03-28T09:00:21Zhttps://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/who-has-the-best-steel?groupUrl=stockmanpatterngroup&commentId=3181080%3AComment%3A1495781&groupId=3181080%3AGroup%3A81026&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAgree. I don't know how many…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-08-29:3181080:Comment:14958072017-08-29T03:31:36.273ZUgly Old Guyhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/Steve366
Agree. I don't know how many Rough Rider/SMKW, AG Russell or Buck offshore knives are rejected, but I know they are all inspected before being packaged and sent to the dealers and distributors, or put on the shelf.<br />
To do otherwise would be foolish.
Agree. I don't know how many Rough Rider/SMKW, AG Russell or Buck offshore knives are rejected, but I know they are all inspected before being packaged and sent to the dealers and distributors, or put on the shelf.<br />
To do otherwise would be foolish. Steve,
In another discussion…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-08-29:3181080:Comment:14959362017-08-29T00:59:08.665ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>Steve,</p>
<p>In another discussion I recently talked about how RR amazes me with its heat treat. I realize they are all made in the same factory but face it rough rider uses many different steels. It does not seem to matter, they heat treat correctly. Although they are the offshore company that comes to mind for most, AG Russel always comes to mind for me also. I know that he and his wife and manager made many trips and worked hard at making sure HT and steels were done top notch before…</p>
<p>Steve,</p>
<p>In another discussion I recently talked about how RR amazes me with its heat treat. I realize they are all made in the same factory but face it rough rider uses many different steels. It does not seem to matter, they heat treat correctly. Although they are the offshore company that comes to mind for most, AG Russel always comes to mind for me also. I know that he and his wife and manager made many trips and worked hard at making sure HT and steels were done top notch before making the decision to go offshore with some production. They still, years down the line, hand inspect every knife before it is sold.</p>
<p>Offshore no longer has to be a death sentence for knife companies but managing QC from here can be challenging</p>
<p></p> Very true, Jan.
Come to that,…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-08-27:3181080:Comment:14957812017-08-27T19:05:47.498ZUgly Old Guyhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/Steve366
Very true, Jan.<br />
Come to that, it seems Rough Rider does a better job with their 440A than most. The old Taylor Schrade and Schrade USA did too. I saw on another forum a comparison between Case stockman with "True Sharp", a Taylor Scharde stockman, I think it was a 8OT, with 440A, and a Schrade USA stockman of the same model with 440A.<br />
The test was cutting manila rope.<br />
Both of the Schrades kept their edge noticeably longer than the Case.<br />
All 3 were easy to resharpen.<br />
I know I've not seen any…
Very true, Jan.<br />
Come to that, it seems Rough Rider does a better job with their 440A than most. The old Taylor Schrade and Schrade USA did too. I saw on another forum a comparison between Case stockman with "True Sharp", a Taylor Scharde stockman, I think it was a 8OT, with 440A, and a Schrade USA stockman of the same model with 440A.<br />
The test was cutting manila rope.<br />
Both of the Schrades kept their edge noticeably longer than the Case.<br />
All 3 were easy to resharpen.<br />
I know I've not seen any difference in holding an edge or ease of sharpening between my Schrade USA 7OT, 6OT and Taylor Schrade 7OT or LB7.<br />
I don't know how the BTI Schrade knives would compare, since they use the Chinese equivalent of 440A and 440C (depending on model. I know the 858OTB has the 9CR18MoV(?) with the 858OT using 7CR17MoV now.) I would guess they still do the heat treat right, though. Heat treat can be the ultimat…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-08-24:3181080:Comment:14952992017-08-24T23:29:33.555ZJan Carterhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/JanCarter
<p>Heat treat can be the ultimate "equalizer" in the steels. It makes or breaks many companies, even those using quality steel.</p>
<p>Heat treat can be the ultimate "equalizer" in the steels. It makes or breaks many companies, even those using quality steel.</p> Not sure if they have "the be…tag:iknifecollector.com,2017-08-21:3181080:Comment:14951692017-08-21T16:20:39.297ZUgly Old Guyhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/Steve366
Not sure if they have "the best steel" but the 420HC used by Buck sure has the best heat treat.<br />
I've carried a 301 (or a 371) daily for a few years now, and have never had to do more than a couple swipes on a strop to keep them arm hair shaving sharp.
Not sure if they have "the best steel" but the 420HC used by Buck sure has the best heat treat.<br />
I've carried a 301 (or a 371) daily for a few years now, and have never had to do more than a couple swipes on a strop to keep them arm hair shaving sharp. Thanks Rick the more boker US…tag:iknifecollector.com,2014-01-23:3181080:Comment:10589532014-01-23T04:22:04.274ZBrian Martinhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/BrianMartin
Thanks Rick the more boker USA's I pick up the more I like them. My problem now is which one to carry. I have a couple German Eye's but they where quite a bit more expensive, and with perfectly good stable of already used bokers, its been hard to convince myself to carry them. My boker usa jack knife that I just picked up is riding in the pocket now.
Thanks Rick the more boker USA's I pick up the more I like them. My problem now is which one to carry. I have a couple German Eye's but they where quite a bit more expensive, and with perfectly good stable of already used bokers, its been hard to convince myself to carry them. My boker usa jack knife that I just picked up is riding in the pocket now. Hi Brian, I carry one very si…tag:iknifecollector.com,2014-01-22:3181080:Comment:10587252014-01-22T18:04:32.383ZRick Hooperhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/RickHooper
<p>Hi Brian, I carry one very similar in the Boker USA line, rough black handles and all! I like the edge holding ability, just a little below my two German Eye stocks, and German Boker stockman from the '70s. I can hone the Boker USA master blade and sheepfoot on a razor shrop with paste and get a unbelieveable sharp edge. That's a great knife!</p>
<p>Hi Brian, I carry one very similar in the Boker USA line, rough black handles and all! I like the edge holding ability, just a little below my two German Eye stocks, and German Boker stockman from the '70s. I can hone the Boker USA master blade and sheepfoot on a razor shrop with paste and get a unbelieveable sharp edge. That's a great knife!</p> This knife kinda started this…tag:iknifecollector.com,2014-01-22:3181080:Comment:10586282014-01-22T17:50:15.640ZBrian Martinhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/BrianMartin
<p>This knife kinda started this collection phase for me, I have always carried and used daily Case Knives. They are great, but this Boker stockman is a really fine knife. sharpens well holds a edge, as well as carbon can. I carried this for a few months and never had any complaints. As I get more Boker USA knives I am also impressed with there quality, they really sharpen up well and hold a good edge.…</p>
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<p>This knife kinda started this collection phase for me, I have always carried and used daily Case Knives. They are great, but this Boker stockman is a really fine knife. sharpens well holds a edge, as well as carbon can. I carried this for a few months and never had any complaints. As I get more Boker USA knives I am also impressed with there quality, they really sharpen up well and hold a good edge.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2711015649?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2711015649?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a></p> Data, I saw this old post abo…tag:iknifecollector.com,2014-01-20:3181080:Comment:10570552014-01-20T20:55:09.177ZRick Hooperhttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/RickHooper
<p>Data, I saw this old post about cutlery steel. This is what, two local woodcarvers, cane makers, a taxidermist and 3 trapper/hunters told me. For factory made , traditional modern knives,carbon steel, number one is GERMAN EYE, with Case XX next, then Bulldog Brand. For stainless steel, Queen Steel, Case XX next. I have to agree with them, as they wear the blades to nothing, sharpening them! For old vintage knives, REMINGTON UMC, then CASE TESTED XX until 1964. The Seki Japan folders such as…</p>
<p>Data, I saw this old post about cutlery steel. This is what, two local woodcarvers, cane makers, a taxidermist and 3 trapper/hunters told me. For factory made , traditional modern knives,carbon steel, number one is GERMAN EYE, with Case XX next, then Bulldog Brand. For stainless steel, Queen Steel, Case XX next. I have to agree with them, as they wear the blades to nothing, sharpening them! For old vintage knives, REMINGTON UMC, then CASE TESTED XX until 1964. The Seki Japan folders such as KERSHAW, KAI, Spyderco and others are as sharp a factory edge I have seen. The Chinese steel in those modern versions, including the Blackjack, Colt, SOG, Spyderco and others are now on par, with the Japanese. The early Chinese steel was very soft.</p> Dear Data, Now I have two ste…tag:iknifecollector.com,2014-01-15:3181080:Comment:10535562014-01-15T15:55:38.256ZCesar Scavonehttps://iknifecollector.com/profile/cesar
<p>Dear Data, Now I have two steels to compare and answer your question. Between my Buck 301 and my Case SS Large Stockman, I bet all my chips in the Case steel in terms of sharpening and edge retention. I have the idea to sharpen my Stockman knives with different angles for each blade as follows:</p>
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<p>- Sheepfoot - 40 degree</p>
<p>- Clip - 30 degree</p>
<p>- Spey - 20 degree</p>
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<p>Case American Workman Large Stockman accepts the challenge and with few work I reach the…</p>
<p>Dear Data, Now I have two steels to compare and answer your question. Between my Buck 301 and my Case SS Large Stockman, I bet all my chips in the Case steel in terms of sharpening and edge retention. I have the idea to sharpen my Stockman knives with different angles for each blade as follows:</p>
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<p>- Sheepfoot - 40 degree</p>
<p>- Clip - 30 degree</p>
<p>- Spey - 20 degree</p>
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<p>Case American Workman Large Stockman accepts the challenge and with few work I reach the angles and extreme cutting power in each angle, but was a pain to convince Buck to accept anything more or less 15 degree each side (30 degree edge). I spent about 2 1/2 hours resharpening it to make the change, while Case less than 1/2 hour, and the final result in Case was very better.</p>
<p>Buck wins in finish and details (like each blade with its own spring, easier opening...), but Case steel is far superior to me.</p>