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So just how healthy is the vintage knife market right now?

Since I began seriously collecting old knives, I repeatedly heard folks say the buying market for old knives would eventually die out, especially since the younger knife enthusiasts prefer the more modern knives to collect and carry. This speculation always caused concern, not simply because I had a fortune tied up in old knives, but because the older knives are our windows to the past, a glimpse into the life and times of early American cutlery history. And while not everyone is a history buff, that I understand, there is nothing more interesting to me than to hold an old knife and wonder the tales that knife could tell.

Trying to measure the number of knife buyers for old knives and the health of the market can be difficult. There are a few indicators we can look at to try to get a feel though. Typically dealers look at knife show attendance. Others look at the number of NKCA members. Some even look at the number of folks requesting to be one the dealers' mailing list as signs of the amount of interest in old collector knives. I feel these things do give us a feel for the health of the market, and yet, in today's wired world, there is other important tool we have to gauge the depth and breath of the market.

One of the primary tools we have today is a virtual real time indicator- online auctions. I know the argument against using online auctions for showing us the state of values and buyer interest has always been that most of the buyers for old knives aren't totally comfortable using the Internet to buy through, but that argument is so 1980's to me. The other argument against online auctions as indicators has been that the bidders don't get a true representation of the knife's condition. While others say they don't buy from sellers they don't know. 

After having watched the introduction of online auctions since the start of eBay, and including traditional auctioneers slowly wading into using online auctions, there is no doubt that now, in 2013, most collectors are comfortable 1) using a computer, 2) knowing what questions to ask, and 3) buying through sites and from sellers they trust, to the point that in most cases, online auctions provide a truer indicator of the market than even does a "traditional live auction" conducted in conjunction with a local knife show. Online auctions can also reach a broader geographic market than simply those who take the time to travel to a show.

At the risk of being criticized for self promotion here (I'm selling my collection through an online knife auction right now), I can attest firsthand, the number of states bidders are from for my sale far out exceeds the number who would have attended the sale in person if I'd conducted a live auction.

It is going to be very interesting to see the final results of my auction. And while I expect I overpaid for many knives in my collection, as passionate collectors often do, and will lose money on these, the number of bidders and prices will tell us exactly the state of the market for old knives. Granted, my collection is made up of a single pattern and that will need to be factored in, but regardless, it will give us a real time snapshot of collectors' thinking coming out of The Great Recession. No doubt the other factor contributing to prices paid and number of collectors out in the market is the economy. We have just come through the equivalent of a real depression- they called it The Great Recession, but to me that was an attempt at making us think things weren't as bad as they really were- PR spin is what it was.

It appears folks are now feeling a little better about their future and the state of the US economy. The DOW is up to a record high. The savings rate is increasing. Folks are starting to buy houses again and the unemployment rate continues to drop. So, what's the point? We are going to be able to see exactly where old knife prices have been reset to at this point in the market cycle. Collector knife values do cycle, just like real estate and other collectibles. They go up and down. Collectibles typically bottom out and begin to rise parallel with the economy. Rarely does a particular niche' collectible fall out and never come back..unless it was only a fade to begin with. And in my interviews with Old Timers for my website, I quickly learned for decades now old knives continue to be sought after through the highs and the lows.

As an side here- I attended a collectible auction last week in New York. They sold 69 of 72 lots before a standing room crowd. The total sale was $691 million. No typo here. You read it right. $691 million. The lots comprised of contemporary art, but nonetheless, the art market cycles too, and clearly the life is back in these collectibles. 

Point here is this- online auctions provide us a real time gauge of where values are in the cycle of the market. I believe from what I am seeing already that the trend is once again up. Sure the better condition and investment grade knives held their values through the down market better than the others, but even still, it appears there are plenty of old knife buyers active and wanting to buy knives. Will the values come in at what they were back in the early 2000s? I don't expect they will at this stage in the cycle, but I can tell you already, the old knife market is alive and well. 

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Comment by Robert Burris on November 20, 2013 at 12:50

I some what disagree, that the vintage knife market is in good shape and prices are going up. There are a few brands that prices are on the rise like Camillus, Kissing Cranes, Winchesters etc. because of their knife making demise. The market, overall, is a buyers market, with most prices are low. I predict, that when the economy gets better, the prices of vintage knives will rise. This entire statement is my opinion and should be taken that way. I could be completely wrong.......lol 

Comment by Ricky L McConnell on November 20, 2013 at 9:25

I think Tobias has a point about the future generations . I am 43 and love the old knives, but I find a lot of the people around me just are not interested, I believe the majority of the future generations will not show as much interest as we do, but sites like this and as Tobias mentioned auction sites like Ebay will help to keep collecting alive. I think that when someone buys a knife from a place like SMKW, they might look at the pattern and say, I wonder who else makes this and how long has this pattern been around.

Comment by Ken Spielvogel on November 20, 2013 at 8:23

Great comments all, I can agree all around but esp. with Chuck Parham's comments.

Comment by Michael D. on November 18, 2013 at 20:13

Many, if not most, of the big time knife shows revolve mostly around custom makers so the atmosphere is more like an art gallery rather than a knife show.

Concerning old knives, I agree that the on line auctions are the place to go. I do see an upward trend in certain knives I've been looking for: 1950-80 Western knives, privately labelled Camillus from the 80s, Connecticut knives from the 1930s-50s (excluding Bridgeport, CT made Remingtons which are out of site always), etc. Bottom line is I haven't won anything lately. Conclusion: IMO the on line market is extremely healthy. Also I've noticed a scarcity of items I'm looking for so I'm assuming they're being squirreled away. I also believe the market is climbing - maybe too fast for my taste and pocketbook!

Comment by Chuck Parham on November 18, 2013 at 17:03

I love the older knives. I buy a lot of new(er) knives but seek out the old ones when I go to garage and estate sales. There's just something about finding an old knife that is no longer thought of as "worth much". It may not be worth lots of money but the history is there. You can feel it when you pick it up. It speaks softly to those who would but only listen. I've put quite a few into my collection that others have passed over. I seek their history when I bring them home. Some I think, "Interesting". Sometimes I find that rare jewel and say "HOLY SMOKE!!"

I see lots of vintage knives for sale as well as new ones. It's our job to educate those who are just getting started as well as the kids as to what to look for in a good knife and let the market fall where it may. Junk may come and junk may go but buyers will eventually establish markets for all knives. Some good and others not so good but all will have a market in the end.


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Comment by Craig Henry on November 18, 2013 at 16:28

Very interesting!

Comment by Tobias Gibson on November 18, 2013 at 15:47

I think a lot can be said about the online auction sites and the health of traditional or older pattern knife collecting.  Knife shows rarely come to my area and my ability to collect knives before e-Bay was almost non-existent. 

As for the health of the hobby, it really isn't about the geography or  number of people involved so much as it is the age of the collectors.  Will our children be interested in old knives or are a bunch of old codgers selling each other knives that will ultimately be clutter at an estate sale?

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