The Shield Tells a Story - More on Estimating the Age of Boker Knives

First of all, let me start by saying this is a work in progress. We know how difficult it is to determine the age of a Boker knife. Tang stamps, steel, bolster and liner materials, blade etches, and scale materials all tell a part of the story. Another method is by looking at the shields. It is tricky, because one needs to be certain that the shield is original to the knife. For the sake of argument, let's say that you can be sure ...

Here is a collection of shields, and my attempt to put a date of use with them. Most of these are educated guesses, based on other factors. With that said:

GENERALLY speaking, a plain shield with no company logo or name is pre 1960. Originally, shields on knife handles were mostly for decoration. They also made a convenient location for engraving your initials. In the 1950s and 1960s this changed. Having said that, let me immediately backpedal because Solingen made Bokers have used the tree shield with SOLINGEN underneath for quite a long time.

I've attempted to place a date with the following photos. Please let me know if you have additional photos to add, or correct me if you see glaring errors. I am certain there will be several!

 

First is the tried and true bar shield. This one is on a knife made in 1937, but the bar shield was in use long before that. One of the earliest catalogs I have is a 1914 reprint and several bar shields are included.

Next is another old standard. The federal shield. There are a few variations on this theme, dating up through the 1950s on US made Bokers. Many variations of these were used in the early 1900s also.

 

 

 

 

 

Shield on the left is circa 1937.

 

On the right is circa 1920s - 1930s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Acorn shield circa 1920s   

                                                

 This shield is circa 1940s-1950s. Together with a BOKER/USA tang stamp. This is my favorite EDC knife - an 8588 stockman pattern with a broken main blade. It was purchased at an online auction. The main blade is about 3/8" too short, and has been reprofiled.

 Below is a shield found on a 1940-1950 era 9361 pattern, scout knife.

If coupled with a BOKER/USA tang stamp, the shield below indicates a US Boker manufactured before 1975. Careful though - many old Solingen made knives also have this shield! Note the lack of a trademark registered symbol. The shield pictured is from a NEW BRITAIN blade etched US Boker circa 1968-1970.

A shield with a trademark registered symbol indicates a knife manufactured after 1975.

Boker registered the "OLDE STAG" name in 1976.

When the COOPER group owned Boker in its final years of US knife production, this shield was used. Circa 1982.

Even though UNITED BOKER was its own separate company, I've included this shield because there are so many out there. Circa 1984-1994.

Below is the standard SOLINGEN shield. This one is still in use today. I have no idea how long this shield has been in use. Made in Germany.

Compare the shield above to this Solingen shield from the early 1960s. Made in Germany.

It is my understanding that the Henry Boker shield below is from the 1980s, and was a special factory order for a large US knife distributor. Made in Germany.

This shield was used in 1994. That was the 125th anniversary of the Solingen manufacturing facility.

Bullseye shield circa 2001-2004

Below is the 2009 shield - 140th anniversary!

This shield is relatively new (circa 2008). It is found on knives with appaloosa bone handles.

Below are two shields that I can not identify. Do you know the age?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am certain that there are other collectors who can add to this list! Reply, and show your shields. My focus is on Boker knives manufactured after WW2, so I know there are several shields from the early 1900s that aren't shown. Got any pics to add?

  • Ricky Ray

    Thanks Steve!
  • Roger Russell

    In reference to the bottom two shields: I remember the one on the left being on a knife that sold on ebay a while back. I don't  remember a lot of the particulars (tang stamps) about the knife but I do remember it had a corkscrew. In my opinion it is an old one. That is also the only shield I've ever seen like that.

     

    The one on the right I have seen before, though it's not very common. Without knowing the tang stamps and/or seeing the actual knife about all I can tell you is: That aside from it obviously being made in Germany,  it's also post war. This due to the fact of the shield being smaller & having Solingen under the tree emblem. 

  • Ricky Ray

    I think you are correct on both counts Roger. The shield on the right is on a cracked ice celluloid handled 9885 pattern. The tang stamp is BOKER/USA. I am not sure if the shield had been replaced, or it is circa 1983-1986. I have seen other examples of knives with the BOKER/USA tang stamp, and "MADE IN GERMANY" blade etches from this time period. I have suspected that the remaining USA in-process production materials were shipped to Solingen for completion after U.S. production ceased. I have no proof of that though.

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    Greg Riggs

    Great Info Ricky! Thanks for posting!
  • Ricky Ray

    Thanks Greg!
  • James O Phillips

    I Think this Henry Boker Is from 1869-1914
  • Katrina Hatch

    I thought I add this pic here, maybe get some help to identify. A few thought it could be a vintage Boker.
    But why the double trees?

  • J.J. Smith III

    Any markings on the reverse, Katrina?

  • Katrina Hatch

    none,  this is a pic of the full knife, carved bone i am thinking. 

  • Ricky Ray

    Intriguing. This doesn't look like any style knife I've seen made by Boker. This is so far away from their design style.

  • Jan Carter

    Ricky,

    I agree and I dont know that it brings to mind the Boker tree.  If you blow it up it appears the branches on this one are not branches but "in bloom" of some type.  I have been looking for a makers mark that may match it.  But then again the pics may not be clear enough of just the marks.  I wonder if it is a rehandle of an old Boker

  • Ricky Ray

    This is way out of my area of experience, but I've convinced myself that in the lower left corner of the closeup photo, there is some additional etching. Something that looks like it starts with a capital V, with a couple of backwards NNs afterwards. When I see that I always assume Russian/Ukrainian.

  • Katrina Hatch

    Thank you all for the feedback on this. I was told to look in that direction. I been going in circles with this mark. I kept thinking this were from India, Pakistan something of that sorts. 
    I rec'd a message back from Boker - 
    Thanks for posting the pictures. We can't find any knife in our records that looks like this. You can find an overview for the various tang stamps and logos used on our knives at the end of this PDF:http://www.boker.de/pdf/knifeworld.pdf

  • Jan Carter

    Katrina,

    That is the guide I use whenever I have a Boker I need to identify.  It is an awesome resource

  • Katrina Hatch

    Dragged out the big magnifier & even looked again in outdoor light I see no other marks. There are quite a few little straight lines in a row like a continuous vibration into the metal when made thruout. 
    Guess will go back to looking at different styles of carving horse heads & compare that. I am assuming it is a horse head, the opposite side has what looks like main etched into the handle, just not on the side with the marks. 

  • Jan Carter

    Katrina, can you get a good shot of that for us?

  • Katrina Hatch

    Want a better shot of the trees or the vibrating lines?

  • Katrina Hatch

    ok I took a close up of the one i shared, plus of the other one. Trees look raised but are not. 


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

    Katrina- a couple of comments-- First has anyone noticed that the 2 "trees" or whatever do not match ?? Look at the upper branches of the "tree" in this photo--Tree on the left -branches closer together than the "tree" on the right. 2 different stamps, not a double strike with the same stamp-- Secondly, I inverted the animal figure-- Does not appear to be a horse to me-- Almost looks like a giraffe (maybe). The animal head has a kind of tribal feel to it. Blade shape has kind of a Malaysian feel, but that could be way off base, too.-- A real puzzler I'm still working on-- Anyhow, the two pics I was talking about--

     

  • Katrina Hatch

    ok here is the other side of the handle

  • Katrina Hatch

    John
    these marks are off another Knife & they appear more identical. 
    It was like the stamp was pressed into the hot metal, its quite deep 

  • Mark Zalesky

    I was asked for my input on this, and my opinion is that it likely doesn't have anything to do with Boker -- I've never seen a two-tree trademark associated with the firm and there are no other clues leading to that conclusion here. It seems to be a South- or maybe Central American machete with cow horn handles.

  • Katrina Hatch

    Mark, 
    Thank you for your input!
    Kat

  • Ms Data

    I respect Mark's opinion totally and I also do not think it is Boker.  This may be a wild goose chase but I did find similar stylized horse's head handles that are commonly used on Punjabi wedding kirpans.  That doesn't say anything about the trees though.


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

    Katrina-- I have spent hrs. researching this knife and it has led me all over the globe-- Still baffled-- What I surmise so far is a series of contradictions-- South American, maybe-- But they did not normally have curved blades on their gaucho style knives-- They sometimes cut down swords, BUT if you look at the pin placement, the steel is full tang, complete with the radical curve in the handle-- Pins and overall feel suggest 18th-19th century- BUT most countries had far more intricate horse head figures,even then-- Knife also has a blood groove, which is normally used not for the above named purpose, but to reduce blade weight .Almost positive, the handle is cow horn-- definitely horn material. The tree stamps could possibly be a pair of "tree of life" stamps, common representation in many cultures. The fact that it is maker stamped is also intriguing-- Even in the18th-19th century, a maker had to register his mark with a fee-- Usually around $25- Back then, that was pretty well a month's salary-- Hand-made maybe-- but not an amateur-- The curved steel  full tang construction helps verify that--That hollow eye horse figure has a tribal,r fetish, spirit aimal feel to it--- I know I have seen a similar image, just can't place it. Inuits used that hollow eye motif, but no  horses and deciduous trees , there. Long story, full of contradictions-- I will keep looking, plus I have 4 new knife reference books in the mail-- Hope I can find some new answers---BTW, that pronounced U shaped handle, I have yet to find !!

  • Katrina Hatch

    You been busy John! I really do appreciate all your help.
    going to sit & google some more.
    Kat 

  • Steve Scheuerman (Manx)

    At 7:45 on February 17, 2015, Boker said…

    Thank you everyone for the warm welcome!! Quick question for you....can anyone tell me about this Boker crest?

  • Ricky Ray

    Here's a 1961 model I have with the same shield, but different bone

  • Jan Carter

    Ricky, the tang is the BEST question!  It should reveal more info on the knife's origin

  • Ricky Ray

    So true, Jan! When I first saw that knife I thought it looked like US made. But mine in the picture below was made in Solingen. So tricky, so tricky.


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

    Boker---based on the one pic the tree image most resembles a  1947-1974 Boker logo- Without further photos I would guess in the 1960's-- If you will provide us with any additional photos of markings on any of the blades or tang stamps- I'm sure Ricky and I can help you further.

  • Boker

    John, Ricky, Jan - thanks for helping. Here is a pic of the tang stamp. Notice there are no dots above the O. I read somewhere this might help determine the age....not sure though.


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

    Boker-You are correct-- the lack of an umlat above the O dates it to the 60's-- As seen here-- Look for the pic that says INOX underneath- means stainless-http://iknifecollector.com/group/bokerfans/forum/topics/boker-dating- Your shield was used into the 70's and some sources say the 80's on the Boker imports-- However, I found a PDF from the early 70's showing the Boker catalogue--- Although, some of the German imports were still shown with a shield like yours, your 5452 model was shown with the newer circle shield- All of this tells me your small congress is circa 1960's- Ricky may have other ideas, but I would date it to the 60's. 


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

    BTW, here is the catalogue I was referring to- http://jwissandsons.com/1970s/B72-73.pdf


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

    Scroll down to page 8 for a 1972-1973 example of your stockman


  • In Memoriam

    John McCain

     First link I gave you did not work for some reason- try this link

    http://iknifecollector.com/group/bokerfans/forum/topics/boker-dating

  • Timothy Morris

    I did Steve, I now know where it's at. I have another Boker coming in and will surely have at least one question - new to Boker collecting. Thanks.

  • Ricky Ray

    Ha! Five years later, I finally remember where I've seen the final shield in this post.

    It was used in 1982 on a filet knife! This pic was snagged from Bokers 1982 catalog