I was the other person viewing the knife!  Syd is correct, if the pics are not clear or precise ask for more.

In looking at the earlier post though Syd, that Rancher is one sweet knife!!

We both learned something didn't we Jan? Still, I have a very early version Buck, so not a total loss.

I also agree about the Rancher, I like it more than the Stockman, which is the same size. It's nice having the awl available if needed. Next to my Buck Congress the Rancher is one of my favorites for EDC.

Cross-posted in Knives On The Big Screen.  Started watching Dexter over again and look what Dexter used for his first kill.  A Buck 119 with a Cocobola handle.  Good taste!!!

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I've been writing a blog about bait knives.  My latest review was on Buck's Clearwater 021.   It is located at:

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If you fish and if you're a Buck fan, then you should have this knife.  Heck, I'm not even a true Buck fan, but I do love fishing and this is my bait knife of choice.

Specifications:

Name:  Clearwater Bait Knife
Brand:  Buck
Country of Manufacture:  USA
Pattern:  0021 RDS
Blade Steel:  420HC
Length, overall:  10.5 in [26.7 cm]
Length, blade:   5 in [ 12.7 cm]
Blade Style:   Modified Multi-function skinner - fine edge, serrated-scaler spine, 
Tang:  Hidden Push Tang
Handle:  Over Molded Nylon, tactile feel
Lanyard hole:  Yes (knife and scabbard)
Sheath: Molded Hard Plastic

You can read my full review of Buck's Mr Crappie Slab Shaver at:

http://iknifecollector.com/forum/topics/my-take-on-buck-s-mr-crappi...

I received the knife as a Christmas present.  I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with it.  Some jerk on Amazon slammed the knife giving it one star  simply stating "It's made in China, need I say more?"  My reply back to him  was "yes, you do."

I've also posted a similar review of the knife on Amazon the link to it is:

https://www.amazon.com/review/R1O8P790NSVUSO/ref=pe_1098610_1377162...

The short version of the review is:

The blade is 420j2 which came razor sharp but will need frequent sharpening compared to Buck's 420HC steel.  The scabbard is really nice with a minor flaw, and the grip on this full tang beauty is superb. 

If you're a week-end angler that is more prone to catch and release and only occasionally keep and fillet your catch then this knife will probably be more than adequate for fish cleaning chores.

If you process 20 or more fish every time you go fishing and you fish all the time, then I'd say spend the extra $10 and get the Slab Slinger.  you'll be sharpening this one more often than you like.

The Buck chat is beginning

Good buy there Ron!

Here you go Ron.

http://www.buckknives.com/about-knives/how-old/

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/716179-Buck-Date-C...

I learned the age of my buck 110 today, Ive had it for a while 1972-1986 it is in great shape.

I HAVE A HYBRID 119, BOUGHT IT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. I CHECKED WITH BUCK AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE DISCONTINUING THE 639 AND HAD ABOUT 300 BLADES LEFT; SO THEY JOINED THEM TO A 119 HANDLE, BEAD BLASTED THEM AND DISTRIBUTED THEM. I WONDER IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ONE OF THESE. MINE IS MINT, IN THE BOX, ETC.

I am very glad this one worked out for you.  Nothing wrong with a bit of a project to end up with a great user

Are you all entering this one???

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vid I just shot on my youtube channel comparing Buck, opinel and Case.

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Nice Video, John. 

Question.  I am considering purchasing a 560 Ti model made in 1993. It has been carried, lightly used, and resharpened. The cutting edge has some nicks in it. There are a few tiny spots of rust on the blade. Nice tight lock-up and strong spring.  Is it worth the $75 price tag?

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Thanks for letting me join this group.  I have a very unusual Buck Set.  Pictures attached.  I am trying to gauge the value and would appreciate any advise on how to sell the set, here or elsewhere.  I am not sure of the site protocol so please excuse me and direct me if I am out of line.

Sorry I can't tell you what value to put on it Roy, but you can list if tor sale on this site at this link.

http://iknifecollector.com/forum/categories/knives-for-sale-or-trad...

Guess how much is this knife sold.

Some one is selling this knife for $5.

It looks like a BUCK 271  Alpha Dorado.

I didn't said it is.

What do you think about this?

Needs to be sold for 50.00 or more.

That's a lovely Chi-com ripoff knife that should sell for about $4 - $5.

Regardless of how well made it is, ask Tobias Gibson about his X44, it's still a fake/forgery/counterfeit.

I bit on one of those Chinese fake Bucks when I first joined iKC about three years ago.  I hope I have since learned enough not to do it again.

Sorry Danny, but that is not an USA made knife  regardless of what it says on the blade or the box.  Look for major brands on sites like Ali Express and you'll see knives marked with famous makers' names but with model numbers that have never, ever, been produced by that company. 

Tobias has one, a true genuine boxed and marked Chi-Com fake Buck a few pages back (6 & 5).

There are dozens of sites complaining about Chinese rip off makers and products.

Roy, as to the store counter display box, I saw one being offeredfor $350 a few months ago and the contents would be at present MSRP as they are, AFAIK, all still being produced.

I will try to post a photo of my knife some time.  

You may well have a USA made Dorado model knife but that pictured knife is a fake, a rip off, plagiarized so to speak, 

Why?  Look at the sheath.  Buck USA's sheath have a silver clasp without embellishments (blackening) to the letters and the pair have a retail price of $78.  Also, the sheath pictured is of a different leather and with different stitching

Buck sheath: http://www.buckknives.com/product/sheath-271-alpha-dorado/0271-05-BG/

The knife on Ali Express sells for $12.68 USD with free shipping to Canada.  The sheath alone from Buck is $13.00 USD, shipping additional.

search for Buck Knives on Ali Express

I think I made a mistake here.
I am sorry for I am not familiar with operation, I should open a new discussion instead of making comment here.
I will make a new discussion later.
Thanks for all your replies

A Chinese pirate may buy one sheath from BUCK website and get some old box from eBay, and sell whole set to someone for $80 dollars.
Not every one as wise as you, they don't even know how to reach the BUCK website to see what the sheath looks like.
With the help of high technology, the imitation one may be identical to the genuine one.
The numeric controlled machinery can do good jobs to imitate the genuine version and even get a better result.
"The devil is in the details."

The last two "BUCKs" are from the imitation sheaths while the first two are from BUCK website.

If you compare the letters on the genuine BUCK sheath and the sheath along with the imitation, you will find that there is something weird following the letter "K" on BUCK sheath.
That is a copyright symbol.
The Chinese imitator didn't have the knowledge and might think it was a blemish and no need to copy.
The brass fastener with black letters was made for Buck sheaths before and you can find them on the Buck website.
The imitation got old sheath to imitate.
Unfortunately, Buck knives do not add the copyright symbol on their most Nylon sheaths, but I wish they could register the symbol as a trademark and use on their whatever products.
Piracy somewhat needs a better overall knowledge to make the imitation as close as the real one.
Old methods of imitation for BUCK knives can be identified in seconds because they didn't even try to make anything looks like the real one.
We need more experience to tell which one is knock off from thousands of knives.
If you look at the scales on the handle.
There is no such color of bright hue in most handles of Buck knives.
Buck knives do not tell us what kind of wood they use on scales of dymonwood.
Dymondwood is as simple as peanut butter and jelly, but the veneers used may vary.
I think the Chinese imitator failed to clone a dymondwood scale as Buck's or he just simplely thought that all dymondwoods are the same.
If you check eBay, you will found the Chinese eBayer haorenyige1899 is selling these fake Buck Alpha Dorado on eBay.
eBay has no abilities to handle these knock off knives.
Their focus is on how to attract more sellers and buyers including pirates and victims.
You can tell that his scales on the knives are different from of other sellers.
I think he is one out of many who make money for selling fake Buck knives on eBay.
If I feel something looks weird, I just don't buy it.

I welcome your comments and thank you very much for your time.
I will end up here and make comments on new discussion.

That is the Registered ® not Copyright © symbol which differs from a Trademark ™.

Trademark/Registered 

Copyright

Simply stated, a Copyright protects the design (for a specific period of years only) while a trademark protects the name or phrase (can be renewed forever). By altering the dimensions of an object (as little as 10%) you can nullify a patent/copyright but it is very hard to do with a trademark.  Prime example of the latter, lots of McDonald's and MacDonald's hamburger joints were shut down or had to change their name because they bore a similar name to the International Giant.

I had a fight with a number of Beckerheads over a knife that Boker was carrying that "looked" surprisingly like one of Ethan's knives.  I subsequently sold my entire and entirely complete collection of Becker knives because of their idiocy.  Boker, in a gentlemanly gesture, withdrew the knife from their catalogue -- not because of any legal matter that they, the Beckerheads or Ethan himself, could have done but for the simple reason that there was no copyright on the knife, never had been or for that matter ever could be.

The chances of getting a patent on a knife is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.  A snowball in Hell would have a better chance!  The materials of the knife can be patented but what new or innovative design feature can you put on a knife that really hasn't changed in 4,000+ years? 

Michael Walker patented his locking mechanism in the 1980s -- and it has subsequently expired so anyone can produce it.  CRKT has their Auto-LAWKS but both of those are on the mechanisms not the knife.  About the only thing I can think of is the Besh-Wedge (http://www.beshknives.com/besh-wedge.php) and that wasn't.

Chinese makers can make all the look alike models they want as long as they don't infringe on the Trademark by calling it a Buck, or Spyderco or any other makers' name. I have found the iconic Buck 110 folder made by so many companies, in so many countries, as to be mind boggling but as long a they don't put "Buck" on the blade it is 100% legal.  Then again, it is a copy of a Puma which was a copy of a Boker (or the other way around) which was a copy of a French design that was probably Spanish in origin.

As to using older name brand equipment for packaging, sorry, but the Chinese printers had the original plates for the boxes as Buck had and still has some of their models produced there and it is nothing to replicate, exactly, another item especially with CNC machinery, 3D printers, copy machine/duplicators etc.

Eric,

You did just fine opening it right here.  Whether it is a solo discussion or a general one, inside the Buck group is perfect.  It is regrettable that these types of fakes happen and it would be so time and dollar consuming for the manufacture to try to stop it.  What they do instead is try to make everyone aware it is happening and how to tell the differences.  

In today's world, you get what you pay for seems to be VERY true.  When they get to the point where they are charging what a real one costs it will be harder to tell them apart until you have them in hand

This is an interesting list

WHERE ARE BUCK KNIVES MADE LIST

It's funny, there was a seller on eBay with a knife that was a total Buck Vanguard knock-off, box & all, for $10.  I usually expect to see fakes from China, but this guy was in the US, so I called him on it.  He said some crap about whatever, I can't even remember what his excuse was, but he was really defensive -- if I recall, he even said something along the lines of "the buyer should be able to tell by the price that it's not a real Buck".  I reported him to eBay, but I'm sure they get a billion reports along these lines, with all sorts of products.  Fortunately, the seller also pulled the listing & did not relist it as a Buck again.

DLKG,

That is just incredibly rude.  YES, as knife people we can tell but what about the guy that buys a knife every three/four years and he is looking for his sons first?  He would just think he is getting a deal.  Dealers like that are not dealers they are just sellers

As a frequent seller and buyer on Ebay I encourage anyone who spots a fake to always report it, you can even forward a link to Buck and they'll report it. The thing about buying knives online, (or selling them), is TO KNOW what you are looking at, and you need to understand you are still taking a chance, but knowing what you're buying improves the odds. Knowledge is power, apply that principle to Ebay and you'll be fine. (ie; learn as much about the knives as you can BEFORE you buy)

Schlomo -- thanks for making that Puma link on the 110 -- I always suspected but hadn't delved into the matter far enough yet.  And you nailed it on the Copyright/Trademark/Patent distinctions.  By the way, that Besh Wedge is horrible as a tip for throwing knives -- just sayin'.

The problem lies with China itself who will not recognize foreign patents or trademarks.  How many DVDs, CDs, knives, clothing etc. have been brought to their attention and the original owners haven't been able to do diddly squat about it.  Remember the big Sony movie kerfuffle of a couple of years ago.

E-Bay couldn't give a crap about forgeries being sold on their site because those fakes have been reported to E-Bay since almost day bloody one of their operation and squat has been done about it or ever bloody will.

The phrase caveat emptor comes into effect here and if an establishment is notorious for providing counterfeits, fakes, forgeries then I'll not buy from them and steer as many customers away from them as possible. 

I'd rather deal with a local dealer, maybe pay a few dollars more, and get something that I can depend on.  Yet, herein lies the rub. Joe Ripoff buys a Chi-com fake and at the same time a real one from a local or internet dealer; switches them and returns the fake to the dealer, gets his refund and the dealer is screwed out of a sale and can only complain to his supplier about it who usually can't or won't do anything about it.

You can't sue the Chinese companies as only Chinese barristers, in a Chinese court can present a case so only major corporation even have a chance of pursuing civil action.  It took McDonald's and Coca-Cola etc. years of court battles to protect their franchises so as to prevent anyone from opening a similarly named or operated burger joint or bottling plant in China without state repercussions.

As to being able to recognize a well done fake from an original--good luck.  I know of people who have sent the fakes back to the makers and even they couldn't tell the difference until exhaustive chemical, metallurgical, etc. testing was done on the knives.  Pay a bit more and buy from the maker or their authorized dealers. 

Buck QuickFire a review by Steve Hanner

Hi Everyone! I am a new member to the iknife collector site and to this Buck knives group. 
This picture is of a Buck knife collection. The collection belongs to my brother who many years ago worked for Buck knives in the late 1970's thru the mid 1980's. All the main knife pieces have "never" been used; they are in "mint" condition!
There are 34 Buck knives; and one custom made knife with the collector's name on it(not Buck), and one knife with the German Swatiska emblem on it(not Buck)
Of the 34 Buck Knives, 17 are "custom" or "limited edition".

In my world as a radio talk show host, with their own show, I am used to doing research on our show subjects.
I have taken this Buck knife project seriously and have done a lot of research and have learned a lot about this world.
One thing is for sure, this is an amazing collection and in my research, I have not seen anything close to what this collection has to offer...

There are no boxes,cases or paperwork; we did find a catalog from that era, which was the late 1970's and early 1980's.
My brother did not want to sell this collection, but the family is in need of funds to help pay our mother's house mortgage...We are anxious to sell the collection but we are not going to give it away either.
I have done some intensive price searches and have an intelligent guesstimate of what the collection might be worth...
We are totally open to reasonable offers for sure!
If you would like to speak to me on the phone, I am available any time for a chat:)
Respectfully, Doris Rivas-Brekke

310 494-8216/ riosafari@aol.com

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Have you seen it??

I've seen some custom auto 110's, but not one made & advertised by Buck. Sucks, all autos are banned in CA or I would be very tempted.

I'm looking at getting an auto to add to my collection

i just won a bid on a 110 auto $91.00