That is the Registered ® not Copyright © symbol which differs from a Trademark ™.

Trademark/Registered 

Copyright

Simply stated, a Copyright protects the design (for a specific period of years only) while a trademark protects the name or phrase (can be renewed forever). By altering the dimensions of an object (as little as 10%) you can nullify a patent/copyright but it is very hard to do with a trademark.  Prime example of the latter, lots of McDonald's and MacDonald's hamburger joints were shut down or had to change their name because they bore a similar name to the International Giant.

I had a fight with a number of Beckerheads over a knife that Boker was carrying that "looked" surprisingly like one of Ethan's knives.  I subsequently sold my entire and entirely complete collection of Becker knives because of their idiocy.  Boker, in a gentlemanly gesture, withdrew the knife from their catalogue -- not because of any legal matter that they, the Beckerheads or Ethan himself, could have done but for the simple reason that there was no copyright on the knife, never had been or for that matter ever could be.

The chances of getting a patent on a knife is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.  A snowball in Hell would have a better chance!  The materials of the knife can be patented but what new or innovative design feature can you put on a knife that really hasn't changed in 4,000+ years? 

Michael Walker patented his locking mechanism in the 1980s -- and it has subsequently expired so anyone can produce it.  CRKT has their Auto-LAWKS but both of those are on the mechanisms not the knife.  About the only thing I can think of is the Besh-Wedge (http://www.beshknives.com/besh-wedge.php) and that wasn't.

Chinese makers can make all the look alike models they want as long as they don't infringe on the Trademark by calling it a Buck, or Spyderco or any other makers' name. I have found the iconic Buck 110 folder made by so many companies, in so many countries, as to be mind boggling but as long a they don't put "Buck" on the blade it is 100% legal.  Then again, it is a copy of a Puma which was a copy of a Boker (or the other way around) which was a copy of a French design that was probably Spanish in origin.

As to using older name brand equipment for packaging, sorry, but the Chinese printers had the original plates for the boxes as Buck had and still has some of their models produced there and it is nothing to replicate, exactly, another item especially with CNC machinery, 3D printers, copy machine/duplicators etc.

Eric,

You did just fine opening it right here.  Whether it is a solo discussion or a general one, inside the Buck group is perfect.  It is regrettable that these types of fakes happen and it would be so time and dollar consuming for the manufacture to try to stop it.  What they do instead is try to make everyone aware it is happening and how to tell the differences.  

In today's world, you get what you pay for seems to be VERY true.  When they get to the point where they are charging what a real one costs it will be harder to tell them apart until you have them in hand

This is an interesting list

WHERE ARE BUCK KNIVES MADE LIST

It's funny, there was a seller on eBay with a knife that was a total Buck Vanguard knock-off, box & all, for $10.  I usually expect to see fakes from China, but this guy was in the US, so I called him on it.  He said some crap about whatever, I can't even remember what his excuse was, but he was really defensive -- if I recall, he even said something along the lines of "the buyer should be able to tell by the price that it's not a real Buck".  I reported him to eBay, but I'm sure they get a billion reports along these lines, with all sorts of products.  Fortunately, the seller also pulled the listing & did not relist it as a Buck again.

DLKG,

That is just incredibly rude.  YES, as knife people we can tell but what about the guy that buys a knife every three/four years and he is looking for his sons first?  He would just think he is getting a deal.  Dealers like that are not dealers they are just sellers

As a frequent seller and buyer on Ebay I encourage anyone who spots a fake to always report it, you can even forward a link to Buck and they'll report it. The thing about buying knives online, (or selling them), is TO KNOW what you are looking at, and you need to understand you are still taking a chance, but knowing what you're buying improves the odds. Knowledge is power, apply that principle to Ebay and you'll be fine. (ie; learn as much about the knives as you can BEFORE you buy)

Schlomo -- thanks for making that Puma link on the 110 -- I always suspected but hadn't delved into the matter far enough yet.  And you nailed it on the Copyright/Trademark/Patent distinctions.  By the way, that Besh Wedge is horrible as a tip for throwing knives -- just sayin'.

The problem lies with China itself who will not recognize foreign patents or trademarks.  How many DVDs, CDs, knives, clothing etc. have been brought to their attention and the original owners haven't been able to do diddly squat about it.  Remember the big Sony movie kerfuffle of a couple of years ago.

E-Bay couldn't give a crap about forgeries being sold on their site because those fakes have been reported to E-Bay since almost day bloody one of their operation and squat has been done about it or ever bloody will.

The phrase caveat emptor comes into effect here and if an establishment is notorious for providing counterfeits, fakes, forgeries then I'll not buy from them and steer as many customers away from them as possible. 

I'd rather deal with a local dealer, maybe pay a few dollars more, and get something that I can depend on.  Yet, herein lies the rub. Joe Ripoff buys a Chi-com fake and at the same time a real one from a local or internet dealer; switches them and returns the fake to the dealer, gets his refund and the dealer is screwed out of a sale and can only complain to his supplier about it who usually can't or won't do anything about it.

You can't sue the Chinese companies as only Chinese barristers, in a Chinese court can present a case so only major corporation even have a chance of pursuing civil action.  It took McDonald's and Coca-Cola etc. years of court battles to protect their franchises so as to prevent anyone from opening a similarly named or operated burger joint or bottling plant in China without state repercussions.

As to being able to recognize a well done fake from an original--good luck.  I know of people who have sent the fakes back to the makers and even they couldn't tell the difference until exhaustive chemical, metallurgical, etc. testing was done on the knives.  Pay a bit more and buy from the maker or their authorized dealers. 

Buck QuickFire a review by Steve Hanner

Hi Everyone! I am a new member to the iknife collector site and to this Buck knives group. 
This picture is of a Buck knife collection. The collection belongs to my brother who many years ago worked for Buck knives in the late 1970's thru the mid 1980's. All the main knife pieces have "never" been used; they are in "mint" condition!
There are 34 Buck knives; and one custom made knife with the collector's name on it(not Buck), and one knife with the German Swatiska emblem on it(not Buck)
Of the 34 Buck Knives, 17 are "custom" or "limited edition".

In my world as a radio talk show host, with their own show, I am used to doing research on our show subjects.
I have taken this Buck knife project seriously and have done a lot of research and have learned a lot about this world.
One thing is for sure, this is an amazing collection and in my research, I have not seen anything close to what this collection has to offer...

There are no boxes,cases or paperwork; we did find a catalog from that era, which was the late 1970's and early 1980's.
My brother did not want to sell this collection, but the family is in need of funds to help pay our mother's house mortgage...We are anxious to sell the collection but we are not going to give it away either.
I have done some intensive price searches and have an intelligent guesstimate of what the collection might be worth...
We are totally open to reasonable offers for sure!
If you would like to speak to me on the phone, I am available any time for a chat:)
Respectfully, Doris Rivas-Brekke

310 494-8216/ riosafari@aol.com

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Sunil, Thank you for letting us know!

Have you seen it??

I've seen some custom auto 110's, but not one made & advertised by Buck. Sucks, all autos are banned in CA or I would be very tempted.

I'm looking at getting an auto to add to my collection

i just won a bid on a 110 auto $91.00

got my 110 auto today $92 i love that auto

Elbin that is wonderful!

BuckKnives.com now has the 119 Special - 75th Anniversary Edition available. Both the Black Phenolic & Cocobola Dymondwood handle versions come with 75th Anniversary Medallion on the handle and custom Blade Date Stamp. Both come with leather sheaths and the blade is of 420HC Stainless Steel. Custom engraving is also available on the 119 Special. Free shipping for all orders over $50.00 (USA only). And of course these knives are Made In The USA!!!

That is a nice looking knife Sunil, thanks for letting us know

Buck 119 Special 75th anniversary

BuckKnives.com now has available their Boy Scouts of America Knives. Each knife has the BSA Logo on the handle. They come is 5 different models to choose from; 110 Folding Hunter, 346 Vantage, 722 Spitfire, 726 Mini Spitfire, and 500 Duke. Each model can also be Personalized Engraved on the blade.

Free Shipping on orders over $50, USA only.

They look good too Sunil !

I like that they are offering choices from modern to traditional

I like knives big and small.  My pick is a Buck 446 - GOLIATH.  It fits the hand nicely and is not too heavy to carry. I have not met a Buck who I did not like.

John

Buck fans, and anyone else interested in knife making in general might like this. I had an email from Buck about their July 4th American series 110 folder. On the knife specific page are some photos, and I noticed a link to a cool short video showing part of their manufacturing process

That is a nice looking knife!

Buck's new AMERICANA 110 Folding Hunter

https://www.buckknives.com/product/americana-110-folding-hunter/011...

Nice photo Don. I have the top two 110s also.

can anyone shed some light on this 110, I have asked Buck for information who did reply then nothing at all,  thanks in advance, George 

The upside-down T means it was produced in 2004. I can't seem to find it in the 2004 catalog. Tried other years catalogs and still nothing. I wonder if it was made for Cabelas or something exclusive. Baffling! 2004 & 2005 were the "transition years". 2004 being last year produced in CA and 2005 first year in Idaho.

Buck also made exclusives for Smoky Mountain Knife Works during that time but I don't recall them having a Gold Etch Bears like that. I was purchasing several exclusives during 2004-2005 during the transition from SMKW.

My newest Buck Knife...

JAN. 2017-- BUCK KNIVES PARTNERS WITH REMINGTON OUTDOOR COMPANY

BUCK KNIVES PARTNERS WITH REMINGTON OUTDOOR COMPANY

Two iconic companies join forces in cutlery partnership

Buck Knives is pleased to announce a partnership with Remington Outdoor Company as the new official licensee of Remington cutlery. “We are excited to align ourselves with an industry icon like Buck Knives,” said Jordan Davis, VP of Marketing & Business Development of Remington.

“They have a passion for the outdoor industry and a commitment to quality products. We look forward to a great partnership with Buck Knives through the years.”

Buck Knives is no stranger to the outdoors, supplying outdoorsmen and women with sports cutlery for over 110 years. This unprecedented partnership in the cutlery industry will enable Buck Knives and Remington the opportunity to create a new line of quality, dependable products.

“Remington is a prestigious company, with a strong focus on building dependable, reliable products,” Said CJ Buck, CEO & Chairman of Buck Knives. “It is an honor to partner with another iconic company. They represent everything we believe in when it comes to a commitment to consumer value and quality products.”

About Remington Arms Company, LLC

Remington Arms Company, LLC, (“Remington”) headquartered in Madison, N.C., designs, produces and sells sporting goods for the hunting and shooting sports markets, as well as solutions to the military, government and law enforcement markets. Founded in 1816 in upstate New York, the Company is the nation's oldest continuously operating manufacturer and continues to manufacture in its original plant located in Ilion, NY. Remington is a privately-held manufacturer of firearms, silencers, and ammunition products and one of the largest domestic producers of ammunition, shotguns, and rifles. The Remington family of companies has 12 locations across 9 states employing over 3,500 people and distributes its products throughout the U.S. and in over 55 foreign countries. More information about Remington can be found at www.remington.com.

About Buck Knives

Behind every Buck knife is over 100 years of experience and craftsmanship. The very best materials and state-of-the-art technology are used to create knives that meet the exacting demands expected of a high-quality knife. Buck stands behind every knife made with their famous Forever Warranty. More information about Buck Knives can be found at www.buckknives.com

Contact: Rachel Rogers, Marketing & Communications Coordinator RRogers@buckknives.com 

We had a couple members ask some questions about this on our FB Page.

James Liles Is the collector club going to be revived do you know?

Harvey Leathart Will they be doing the bullet knives also?

Just to keep us in the loop here also,  I have a call into the gentleman that will be handling the Remington deals to get the answers. I am sure he will be back with me soon

This discussion continues here 

The Remington Group

BuckKnives.com is having a 25% Off Sale on Buck Knives hunting knives, Skinners, Guthooks, Capers. Free shipping on all orders over $50 within the US. Enter code HUNT25 at checkout now until 8/19/17!

(Excludes Custom Knife Shop, Limited Editions, Boy Scouts of America, Kitchen Cutlery, and Web Specials.)

Buck Knives Rival II

A review

Michael Szczepanski Awesome knife! I very briefly met Chuck Buck as I was going into the Buck Knives Factory in El Cajon, CA. I was going to take the factory tour (Totally Cool!). I was just coming in the building as he was going out with a couple other people.

Very nice grail there Michael!  You will notice that some of our groups carry on alot of their conversations in the Discussion forums (above) vs these comment walls.  I would love to see both of them moving right along with comments LOL

NEW! BUCK KNIVES RED LINE 722 SPITFIRE in Honor of Fire Fighters

Buck Knives is proud to honor all firefighters with the 722 Red Line SpitFire knife. The Thin Red Line of Courage represents the injured and fallen heroes who place their lives second to those who they protect.

The 722 Red Line features the "Thin Red Line" American flag logo on a black anodized aluminum handle. A sleek, lightweight knife with a drop point 420HC steel blade.

The customizable blade has room for a name and badge number.
Proudly made in the USA.

BuckKnives.com has now released the Limited Edition 119 SPECIAL in Indigo Blue Wood Handles. Production is limited to 200 knives only.

"This limited production 119 Special brings a new look to your Buck Knives collection. The handle is handcrafted from a deep, rich blue wood and features the 75th anniversary medallion, unique to the 2017 models. Enhanced with the 75th Anniversary logo, this edition boasts the same full tang, fixed 420HC steel clip blade you have come to rely on. With a design that has withstood the test of time, this 119 Special is in a class of its own. Only 200 will be produced to commemorate the diamond anniversary year of the 119.
To maximize space for personalization, engraving is available on the opposite side of the blade (facing right). A genuine black leather sheath embossed with the 75th logo accompanies this limited edition knife."

Also, for 5 days only, use code 119FLASH at checkout to get 25% Off the Standard Black Phenolic & Cocobolo Dymondwood versions of the 119 Special.

BuckKnives.com now has a few new features in their Custom Knife Shop.

For the 110 Folding Hunter; S30V Drop Point Blade and Black G10 Handle.

For the 119 Special; 420HC Black Chip Flint Blade, Metallic Forest ShokWood Handle, S30V Black Cerakote Blade, Cherrywood Handle.

All custom orders are built to order by hand and production time is 4-6 weeks. To avoid expedited shipping costs, orders must be received by November 14th for Christmas Delivery.

BuckKnives.com has just released a couple new Limited Edition 110 Folding Hunters with Christmas Tree Inlays. One is in Cherrywood with green tree inlay and the other is Green with red tree inlay.  Both are Limited Production of 100 each and come with Certificate of Authenticity.

https://www.buckknives.com/product/110-folding-hunter-reg-red-limit...

https://www.buckknives.com/product/110-folding-hunter-reg-green-lim...

Buck Unveils New Knives For 2018

http://knifenews.com/buck-knives-2018-catalog/

Thanks Sunil!!

NEW CUSTOM, LIMITED PRODUCTION KNIVES
WHEN THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE!
Selling at $180.00
https://www.buckknives.com/product/408-kalinga-pro-fixed-limited-pr...

BuckKnives March 2018 Buck of the Month is the 303 Buck Cadet. The Cadet is a smaller version of the 301 Stockman with Clip Point, Sheepsfoot, and Spey Blade.The blades are 420HC Stainless Steel. The handle scales are Elk Antler. Bolsters are Brass. These are Limited to 100 knives only. Comes with Certificate of Authenticity. 100% Made In USA!

Price is $100.00.

https://www.buckknives.com/product/march-2018-buck-of-the-month/030...