Already had collectorknives.net bookmarked, just did so with soonerstateknives.com. Must be a lot of knives being sold somewhere, as there seems to be an endless supply of online retailers out there. I'm getting so bad about knife shopping online that I get the fidgets when I DON"T have a new knife coming in the mail. Shephills seems to have more Case models available than most, and their shipping rates and pricing are definitely competitive. They will probably get my next Case purchase just due to the wide selection that they have. Just figured out how to post photos here, so here is my latest online purchase; Rough Rider Double Take Trapper.....just because it's so unusual, (kinda goofy actually, but well-made goofy), and I happen to have a CRKT sheath that fits it. How's that for a new pattern?
Ooo, that's pretty, and at a great price. I also have my eye on the new "EZ Open Drop Point" listed at Shepard Hills. I see they have a serrated drop point in Russlock too......I'm doomed!
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Reply by Charles Sample on April 7, 2015 at 11:12
Reply by l.lantz on April 7, 2015 at 11:13
Reply by Bryan OShaughnessy on April 7, 2015 at 12:07
Reply by Tristan on April 7, 2015 at 12:26
Reply by jack walker on April 7, 2015 at 13:41
Reply by Michael Squier on April 7, 2015 at 14:53
Reply by Syd Carr on April 7, 2015 at 15:15
Reply by jeff on April 7, 2015 at 16:28
Reply by Shlomo ben Maved on April 7, 2015 at 19:03
Reply by Brian Martin on April 7, 2015 at 20:04
Reply by James Cole on April 8, 2015 at 0:49
Reply by Dave Steiner on April 11, 2015 at 18:24
Reply by Lori Bowers on April 11, 2015 at 23:04
Reply by Lars Ray on April 12, 2015 at 0:08
Reply by Bruce McLain on April 13, 2015 at 15:27
Reply by John McCain on Thursday
Reply by thePlumbah yesterday
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I'm knid of surprised that no one has started a discussion of the 5 inch Lockback Folding Hunter, the knife that pretty much saved Buck! I don't own a Buck 110 and unless someone is plans on giving me one I probably never will! It just isn't high on my list of knives I have to own. That said, I've somehow managed to accumulate quite a few 5 inch lockbacks Maybe someone who owns a few Buck 110s can start a discussion on the pattern. But they should do it soon or some Schrade fan will beat them to the punch!
Here are a few of my non-Buck folding hunters.
Left to Right:
Bear & Son BSA Folding hunter
China BSA bear-head Folding Hunter
Rough Rider "Once in a Blue Moon" Folding Hunter
Klein Tools (USA) Folding Hunter
Unbranded "Pakistan" Folding Hunter, White Celluloid
Gerber "Gator" Folding Hunter
Unbranded "Pakistan" Folding Hunter (wood and brass)
I bought the Bear & Son and the Rough Rider. All the others I just acquired by happen stance!
Below Same Knives with the blades open.
I'm sure some will argue the Gerber Gator isn't a true 5 inch folding Hunter.
Syd, I'm aware of the Buck 110 group but that is just one knife by one company. There are so many other great 5 inch lockbacks out there that are not made by Buck and are snubbed by the knife world as cheap imitations.. And as I alluded, Some Schrade fans will argue the Schrade 7 OT Cave Bear predates the Buck 110 and is the original 5 inch lock-back.
Your right Tobias, could be a good discusion. I dont have a 110 either but Ive got the smaller brother 112. I think I also have the same cheesey pakistan one you picture on the far right. I think you could put together a good sized collection without spending too much on a variety of 5 inch hunters.
Adding to the diss usion. You said most are thought of as cheap imitations and some really are but not all are. I passed on an unmarked hunter with nice micarta scales the other day for $15.00. It looked really nice, not en exact copy sort of updated 80's look. Peobably should have bought.
Do drop point blades count as folding hunters? I seem to have a couple of those.
Syd, a couple years ago a good friend of mine passed away and his family gave me a box full of junk knives that he had squirreled away in the garage. Apparently the box originally had belonged to a former Chicago Police Officer who had retired and was throwing it out.
I'd say about half the knives in the box were 5 inch lock-backs with at least 20 of them being those crappy wood handled Pakistani knives. Half of those had backs prings so weak they wouldn't lock safely so I broke them and threw them away. Many of these others I've passed along, almost as a gag, when I've run free knife give-aways.
On a side note, that Klein Tools was in the same box. It's one tough brute. I beleive it was made by Camillus back in the day. The white handles Pakistini knife is also one heavy brute but there is better blade steel in a butter knife!
My favorites are the Chinese made bare head BSA knife and the Rough Rider Blue Moon. The Gerber Gator is also pretty nice. It was given to me by a vet who carried it in Iraq.
Michael, i think that is an excellent question. See my discussion on Patterns and Modern Folders. The short answer is I would simply call it a drop-point folding hunter but it would still be a folding hunter.
Eventually I'll either start a discussion on Hobo / Take Apart / Utensil Set Knives or someone will beat me to the punch. In any case, Jan asked me to take a look at the Kabar Hobo for her. After doing so I wrote a blog about the knife as I was too long winded to sum things up in 4000 characters.
Is there a name for this style of knife, I seem to be aquiring a few of them. Most have the blavk plastic handle but same sheath shape ande blade length. There must be a name for this pattern.
I'd normally call it a Small Bowie. Bit it could just as easily be a Bird & Trout,Small Game Hunter, or Camp Knife. That one looks gorgeous, Michael. Apparently Utica calls it a "Sport Champ" Colonial call theirs a "Cub Hunter"
I think it bears a lot of names, most are probably Boy Scout oriented. It's best described by its function, a camp knife (lower case letters). Made by Imperial, the construction and sheath haven't changed for dozens of years, except the sheath has periodically been supplied as tan or darker brown. In typical post-1949 Imperial fashion, it has a hollow handle, in this case, plastic. I got mine in 1963, when I progressed from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts. I was nine years old, I think. (Rules and attitudes were a lot more slack back then.) It had a black handle and a tan sheath. At a scout meeting that had wood-burning art as a craft, I burned my initials into the back of the sheath. I still have the knife, though I smashed the still shiny plastic handles and installed stacked-leather and then I shellacked them. I did a bad job of it and I wish I'd left it original. No rust; it has a good stainless steel blade; as much as I dislike Imperial's decision to adopt hollow handles for their pocketknives, they have always made pretty good blades that usually outlast the usefulness of the knife itself. I think I have three others now, all look exactly the same...with black plastic handles.
Bryan is correct in that these knives were marketed it toward young men and were often also called a "boys knife" for this reason. I guess the thought was to get Junior his own knife so that he could abuse it and not ruin one of mom's kitchen knives or dad's expensive hunting knife.
"Boys Knife" sounds like a good pattern name to me, kind of like the boys rifles of the same era. I have a couple that are the same pattern but seem to nice to have been made for a kid, but there are some boys rofles like that too. so, "Boys Knife/Camp Knife"
I think at the end of the day I would still call it a Small Bowie. The knife looks very much like a shrunk down Classic or Western Bowie. The reason I wouldn't call it a camp knife is because as a camp knife it really is somewhat sub-par. This is especially true if the term camp knife brings up visions of a Camp & Trail knife. The C&T knife is normally has a straight skinning or trailing point blade and a half guard. When I hear camp knife that's what I think of.
hmm, the only reason I hesitate on Bowie is the chapter in Levines book putting down anything after 1880 as not a true bowie, but the rest of America seems to disagree and calls many knives since then a bowie so...
I'll probably be labeled a blasphemer but I think Levine (at times) is a tad pretentious and sometimes flat out wrong. In truth there is only one true Bowie knife and no one knows exactly what it looked like. Afterwards there were many knives purported to have been made to the specs of the original Bowie knife but they were made based on a general description To give an arbitrary cut off date of 1880 is typical of Levine.
Why 1880? That's 44 years after Jim Bowie died and well after his legendary knife was lost history. Did people just make fake Bowie knives starting in 1881? Did knife makers lose the recipe? If you base this on Bowie's coming out of Sheffield then did they stop making knives in Sheffield in 1880.
And considering nobody knows what his knife looked like we are just left with a general description. So why are the pre 1880 Bowie knives considered true? All that is known for sure was that Jim Bowie carried a large fixed blade knife with a clip point and a full cross guard. James Black may have been the black smith who made it. It isn't even believed that Bowie used this knife at the sandbar fight, his only historically documented knife fight! But if you made a knife before 1880 based on a general description you get to truthfully call it a Bowie but if you made the same knife a year later you're a dang liar?
I'm sure a lot of people these day look at the Western #49 knife and don't hesitate to call it a Bowie knife. After all Western called it a Bowie! Indeed many will hold it up as the definition of a classic Bowie knife! It might not be the knife Jim Bowie carried but it is the Bowie knife people envision him carrying!
It fits the general description and it fits the legend. Who really cares if it was made well after 1880! ( I mean besides Levine!)
As they say if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck and swims like a duck then it's a duck! Ducks didn't arbitrarily stop being ducks in 1880. And Bowie knives didn't stop being made in 1880 either.
And if a small knife looks like a Bowie then it's a small Bowie. Stepping off my blasphemous soap box.
Well said!! Also ive heard that J Bowies knife looked more like a big kitchen knife as we know them today. I also heard theres a portrait that his knife is supposed to be pictured in on his belt. Many stories! I go by as known today. The Bowie is a big knife with a clip point and the Western is a good example!!
I believe that the portrait you're referring to pictures James' brother, Rezin Bowie, with "the" knife in his belt. I think I saw this in Knife World Magazine.
J.J. Smith III
thats got my name on it, Max.
Apr 7, 2015
Max McGruder
Apr 7, 2015
Syd Carr
Already had collectorknives.net bookmarked, just did so with soonerstateknives.com. Must be a lot of knives being sold somewhere, as there seems to be an endless supply of online retailers out there. I'm getting so bad about knife shopping online that I get the fidgets when I DON"T have a new knife coming in the mail. Shephills seems to have more Case models available than most, and their shipping rates and pricing are definitely competitive. They will probably get my next Case purchase just due to the wide selection that they have. Just figured out how to post photos here, so here is my latest online purchase; Rough Rider Double Take Trapper.....just because it's so unusual, (kinda goofy actually, but well-made goofy), and I happen to have a CRKT sheath that fits it. How's that for a new pattern?
Apr 7, 2015
Max McGruder
Apr 7, 2015
Syd Carr
Ooo, that's pretty, and at a great price. I also have my eye on the new "EZ Open Drop Point" listed at Shepard Hills. I see they have a serrated drop point in Russlock too......I'm doomed!
Apr 7, 2015
Jan Carter
wooohooo! A contest is in the works AND we are seeing some very cool patterns!
Apr 7, 2015
Jan Carter
I think you enter the contest here?
http://iknifecollector.com/group/knifepatterns/forum/topics/answer-...
Apr 7, 2015
Tobias Gibson
you are correct Jan:
I think you enter the contest here?
http://iknifecollector.com/group/knifepatterns/forum/topics/answer-...
Apr 7, 2015
Bryan OShaughnessy
I get the fidgets when I DON"T have a new knife coming in the mail.
Ha! I thought it was just me!
Apr 7, 2015
Syd Carr
"Ha! I thought it was just me!"
Takes one to know one, but yup, you ain't alone in that affliction.
Apr 7, 2015
J.J. Smith III
Apr 7, 2015
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Charles Sample
Bryan and Syd, the only thing worse than waiting for a knife to come is not waiting for a knife to come!
Apr 8, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Charles, Bryan, and Syd or losing that bid on that must have rare vintage knife on Ebay that you will never ever see again!
Until next week!
Apr 8, 2015
Jan Carter
LOL JJ and Tobias!
I think Bryan and Syd, that we are in the midst of an epidemic here at iKC. Aint it grand?
Apr 9, 2015
Syd Carr
Grand indeed!
Apr 9, 2015
James Cole
I couldn't agree more. I love seeing all those notifications in my email.
Apr 11, 2015
Tobias Gibson
The contest ends at Midnight Central Time tomorrow, Sunday, April 19! All you have to do is answer four questions in this discussion! a href="http://iknifecollector.com/group/knifepatterns/forum/topics/answer-four-questions-win-this-knife" target="_self">http://iknifecollector.com/group/knifepatterns/forum/topics/answer-... > Its that easy, A random winner will be drawn.
Apr 18, 2015
Tobias Gibson
The "Answer Four Questions and Win This Knife" is officially closed. Accordign to my records, the following people entered:
I currently have the following people entered to win the knife. If I missed your entry, please let me know by the end of the day so I can verify that your entry!
Reply by Charles Sample on April 7, 2015 at 11:12
Reply by l.lantz on April 7, 2015 at 11:13
Reply by Bryan OShaughnessy on April 7, 2015 at 12:07
Reply by Tristan on April 7, 2015 at 12:26
Reply by jack walker on April 7, 2015 at 13:41
Reply by Michael Squier on April 7, 2015 at 14:53
Reply by Syd Carr on April 7, 2015 at 15:15
Reply by jeff on April 7, 2015 at 16:28
Reply by Shlomo ben Maved on April 7, 2015 at 19:03
Reply by Brian Martin on April 7, 2015 at 20:04
Reply by James Cole on April 8, 2015 at 0:49
Reply by Dave Steiner on April 11, 2015 at 18:24
Reply by Lori Bowers on April 11, 2015 at 23:04
Reply by Lars Ray on April 12, 2015 at 0:08
Reply by Bruce McLain on April 13, 2015 at 15:27
Reply by John McCain on Thursday
Reply by thePlumbah yesterday
If you submitted an entry and your name is not listed, please notify me within the next 24 hours! I will be announcing the winner, some time tomorrow.
I will be announcing the winner tomorrow!
Apr 20, 2015
Michael Squier
cant wait, fingers crossed.
Apr 20, 2015
Tobias Gibson
For those still in the dark about who won the knife. The answer was posted in the discussion about two hours ago. Congratulations to John McCain
Apr 21, 2015
Ron Cooper
Well, a hearty congratulations to Mr. John McCain!
Apr 21, 2015
J.J. Smith III
Congrats John.
Apr 21, 2015
Bill Fletcher
Congrats John !!!
Apr 21, 2015
jeff
Congratulations John.
Apr 21, 2015
tim payne
way to go john!
Apr 21, 2015
Michael Squier
Congrats to John, now can he identify the knife for us?
Apr 22, 2015
Dave Steiner
Thanks Tobias for doing this!
-ds
Apr 22, 2015
Tobias Gibson
I'm knid of surprised that no one has started a discussion of the 5 inch Lockback Folding Hunter, the knife that pretty much saved Buck! I don't own a Buck 110 and unless someone is plans on giving me one I probably never will! It just isn't high on my list of knives I have to own. That said, I've somehow managed to accumulate quite a few 5 inch lockbacks Maybe someone who owns a few Buck 110s can start a discussion on the pattern. But they should do it soon or some Schrade fan will beat them to the punch!
Here are a few of my non-Buck folding hunters.
Bear & Son BSA Folding hunter
China BSA bear-head Folding Hunter
Rough Rider "Once in a Blue Moon" Folding Hunter
Klein Tools (USA) Folding Hunter
Unbranded "Pakistan" Folding Hunter, White Celluloid
Gerber "Gator" Folding Hunter
Unbranded "Pakistan" Folding Hunter (wood and brass)
I bought the Bear & Son and the Rough Rider. All the others I just acquired by happen stance!
Below Same Knives with the blades open.
Apr 29, 2015
Syd Carr
I just found a Buck 110 Group here: http://iknifecollector.com/group/buck110group. Hasn't seen much activity lately, but it is there.
Apr 29, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Syd, I'm aware of the Buck 110 group but that is just one knife by one company. There are so many other great 5 inch lockbacks out there that are not made by Buck and are snubbed by the knife world as cheap imitations.. And as I alluded, Some Schrade fans will argue the Schrade 7 OT Cave Bear predates the Buck 110 and is the original 5 inch lock-back.
Apr 30, 2015
Michael Squier
Your right Tobias, could be a good discusion. I dont have a 110 either but Ive got the smaller brother 112. I think I also have the same cheesey pakistan one you picture on the far right. I think you could put together a good sized collection without spending too much on a variety of 5 inch hunters.
Apr 30, 2015
Michael Squier
Adding to the diss usion. You said most are thought of as cheap imitations and some really are but not all are. I passed on an unmarked hunter with nice micarta scales the other day for $15.00. It looked really nice, not en exact copy sort of updated 80's look. Peobably should have bought.
Do drop point blades count as folding hunters? I seem to have a couple of those.
Apr 30, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Syd, a couple years ago a good friend of mine passed away and his family gave me a box full of junk knives that he had squirreled away in the garage. Apparently the box originally had belonged to a former Chicago Police Officer who had retired and was throwing it out.
I'd say about half the knives in the box were 5 inch lock-backs with at least 20 of them being those crappy wood handled Pakistani knives. Half of those had backs prings so weak they wouldn't lock safely so I broke them and threw them away. Many of these others I've passed along, almost as a gag, when I've run free knife give-aways.
On a side note, that Klein Tools was in the same box. It's one tough brute. I beleive it was made by Camillus back in the day. The white handles Pakistini knife is also one heavy brute but there is better blade steel in a butter knife!
My favorites are the Chinese made bare head BSA knife and the Rough Rider Blue Moon. The Gerber Gator is also pretty nice. It was given to me by a vet who carried it in Iraq.
Apr 30, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Michael, i think that is an excellent question. See my discussion on Patterns and Modern Folders. The short answer is I would simply call it a drop-point folding hunter but it would still be a folding hunter.
Apr 30, 2015
Rusty R Halsey
May 4, 2015
Ron Cooper
Wowsa, Rusty!
I can certainly appreciate why you would be attracted to a knife like THAT!
OMG! I love that brass bolster and shield set against that beautifully grained cocobolo!
Wow, just WOW!
May 4, 2015
John Bamford
Great knife there Rusty, I really love all that brass .
May 5, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Eventually I'll either start a discussion on Hobo / Take Apart / Utensil Set Knives or someone will beat me to the punch. In any case, Jan asked me to take a look at the Kabar Hobo for her. After doing so I wrote a blog about the knife as I was too long winded to sum things up in 4000 characters.
The Blog is at : http://iknifecollector.com/profiles/blogs/a-look-a...
May 6, 2015
Michael Squier
Is there a name for this style of knife, I seem to be aquiring a few of them. Most have the blavk plastic handle but same sheath shape ande blade length. There must be a name for this pattern.
May 17, 2015
KnifeMaker
Chris Sievert
Camp Knife Michael Squire. At least that's what they were called when I was in Scouting.
May 17, 2015
Tobias Gibson
I'd normally call it a Small Bowie. Bit it could just as easily be a Bird & Trout,Small Game Hunter, or Camp Knife. That one looks gorgeous, Michael. Apparently Utica calls it a "Sport Champ" Colonial call theirs a "Cub Hunter"
May 17, 2015
Bryan OShaughnessy
I think it bears a lot of names, most are probably Boy Scout oriented. It's best described by its function, a camp knife (lower case letters). Made by Imperial, the construction and sheath haven't changed for dozens of years, except the sheath has periodically been supplied as tan or darker brown. In typical post-1949 Imperial fashion, it has a hollow handle, in this case, plastic. I got mine in 1963, when I progressed from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts. I was nine years old, I think. (Rules and attitudes were a lot more slack back then.) It had a black handle and a tan sheath. At a scout meeting that had wood-burning art as a craft, I burned my initials into the back of the sheath. I still have the knife, though I smashed the still shiny plastic handles and installed stacked-leather and then I shellacked them. I did a bad job of it and I wish I'd left it original. No rust; it has a good stainless steel blade; as much as I dislike Imperial's decision to adopt hollow handles for their pocketknives, they have always made pretty good blades that usually outlast the usefulness of the knife itself. I think I have three others now, all look exactly the same...with black plastic handles.
May 17, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Bryan is correct in that these knives were marketed it toward young men and were often also called a "boys knife" for this reason. I guess the thought was to get Junior his own knife so that he could abuse it and not ruin one of mom's kitchen knives or dad's expensive hunting knife.
May 18, 2015
Michael Squier
"Boys Knife" sounds like a good pattern name to me, kind of like the boys rifles of the same era. I have a couple that are the same pattern but seem to nice to have been made for a kid, but there are some boys rofles like that too. so, "Boys Knife/Camp Knife"
May 18, 2015
Tobias Gibson
May 18, 2015
Michael Squier
hmm, the only reason I hesitate on Bowie is the chapter in Levines book putting down anything after 1880 as not a true bowie, but the rest of America seems to disagree and calls many knives since then a bowie so...
May 18, 2015
Max McGruder
May 18, 2015
Tobias Gibson
Why 1880? That's 44 years after Jim Bowie died and well after his legendary knife was lost history. Did people just make fake Bowie knives starting in 1881? Did knife makers lose the recipe? If you base this on Bowie's coming out of Sheffield then did they stop making knives in Sheffield in 1880.
And considering nobody knows what his knife looked like we are just left with a general description. So why are the pre 1880 Bowie knives considered true? All that is known for sure was that Jim Bowie carried a large fixed blade knife with a clip point and a full cross guard. James Black may have been the black smith who made it. It isn't even believed that Bowie used this knife at the sandbar fight, his only historically documented knife fight! But if you made a knife before 1880 based on a general description you get to truthfully call it a Bowie but if you made the same knife a year later you're a dang liar?
I'm sure a lot of people these day look at the Western #49 knife and don't hesitate to call it a Bowie knife. After all Western called it a Bowie! Indeed many will hold it up as the definition of a classic Bowie knife! It might not be the knife Jim Bowie carried but it is the Bowie knife people envision him carrying!
It fits the general description and it fits the legend. Who really cares if it was made well after 1880! ( I mean besides Levine!)
As they say if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck and swims like a duck then it's a duck! Ducks didn't arbitrarily stop being ducks in 1880. And Bowie knives didn't stop being made in 1880 either.
And if a small knife looks like a Bowie then it's a small Bowie. Stepping off my blasphemous soap box.
May 18, 2015
Max McGruder
May 18, 2015
Bryan OShaughnessy
I believe that the portrait you're referring to pictures James' brother, Rezin Bowie, with "the" knife in his belt. I think I saw this in Knife World Magazine.
May 18, 2015