@Toby -- you asked

Does the et al, include Ulster and Imperial?

I guess the fact that a week's passed and I have not answered your question speaks to the extent of my confusion. I've always had a lot of trouble getting my head wrapped around the Schrade history -- so many companies, trademarks and stamps!!

As you're aware, I've been working on a graphical Schrade timeline -- figure I might grok it better if I can SEE it. ...but in the mean time??

Although the "company paths" of Ulster and Imperial eventually crossed with "Schrade", both companies had long histories totally separate from "Schrade".

Ulster Knife Co. was born as a re-org of the Ellenville Co-Operative Knife Co. in 1875. And that company had nothing to do with Schrade until at least 1946 when Albert & Henry Baer bought "Schrade" and made it a division of Imperial Knife Associated Companies along with the existing division Ulster.

Imperial Knife Co. was formed in Providence, RI in 1916 and, as we saw above, didn't intersect with "Schrade" until they acquired "Schrade" as a "division" in 1946.

Looking at the above I'd have to say that "No, Et Al. should not include Ulster or Imperial." From the little I've studied so far I can't see anything like where maybe the entity "Schrade" was making knives and stamping them "Ulster" ...or even vice versa.

Larry V.'s website provides a few different "company histories" -- that's where I'm doing most of research.

I'll welcome any info, thoughts or criticisms anyone might provide.

Here's a sleeveboard whittler I carried for a couple years .. GREAT STEEL

then stored for a couple more yrs .. only to gas out on me

she was a beaut in her day .. note the damage .. it could probably be cleaned up w/ a new set of scales

the stamping combined with the celluloid puts it @ mid/late 40's for production

Stamping on that sleeveboard =    SCHRADE    over    CUT. CO.    over    WALDEN, N.Y.  ...  both primary & secondary pen blade stamped.

Both secondary’s have a 1/2 stop.

And something I’ve noted with split back whittlers and the passing of time. The grind on the primaries used to retain more of the stout thickness of the primary.  That btm one is a Waterville.

The Schrade in the middle was mid/late 40’s production. You still cannot tell where the tang stops & the blade grind begins .. top view anyway.

The top one is Queens current production #48 .. no problem telling where the tang stops & the blade grind begins on that one !!!

I don’t get it .. have the primary be 2~3 times as thick (robust) as the secondary’s .. by design !!!

Then purposely grind it down to the flimsier thickness of the secondary’s .. right after the tang ??

I prefer the older grinds !!!!

D ale wrote:

I don’t get it .. have the primary be 2~3 times as thick (robust) as the secondary’s .. by design !!!

Then purposely grind it down to the flimsier thickness of the secondary’s .. right after the tang ??

This is a Presto switchblade-pruning knife made by Schrade. This knife is 4 inches long closed and 6 ¾ inches when opened.  It had nickel silver bolsters on one end and a bail hook on the other end.  Black jigged bone handles, lined. On the tang, on side says “Presto Pat Jan. 30, 1940 made in U.S.A on the other side it says Geo. Schrade Knife CO. Inc. Bridgeport, Conn.

I picked up this knife at the Great Western show in Los Angeles, California in 1983. A dealer had three of them for sale, all in original boxes. He wanted $45.00 each or all three for $100.00. In those days, I would go up with $100.00 in my pocket for all three days and I didn’t want to blow all my money on one deal. Why doesn’t someone have a crystal ball that we can look into and see the future?

Wow!! Finally a Schrade group. Was wondering if this would ever happen. Been away for a while and just thought I would check in and ran across this. Good deal and I'm and avid Schrade guy but still learning too.

Thanks to Jim for creating this group.

Did anyone get one of these?

Guys, I beleieve these were made by Taylor with USA parts.NOT REAL USA Schrades.I had bought some of these a few years ago and the box had Taylor on it. Everything looked good but a little shakey on "real" USA Schrade. I could be wrong but if it is the same ones I bought from Blue Ridge Knives as I sent them back.

If you check this number on E bay 350565900756, this is an AUTHORIZED TAYLOR REPRODUCTION.

Hey Rusty, that 825 Schrade you have pictured down there....did it come with the clear plastic tube they came in?

Thats a shame Ivars, I hope someone picks it up

If it was my state I'd get it! LOL!

You know, if the new Taylor-Schrades had carbon steel, especially on the Old Timers, I MIGHT try one. It just doesn't seem right.....an Old Timer with stainless blades. Sheesh.

Here's a site of interest.............

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/

Craig,

I often wondered why some of the folks that take these old names change the steel type.  Is it a cost factor?

I think, there's a feeling that everyone wants stainless blades. I don't know. If anyone reads various threads on other forums you can see a rather large move towards carbon steel. But then again there are ones that say they won't touch the stuff (like I used to say! LOL!). 

If it was up to me I'd say keep the knives the way they were always made. Standard Schrades - carbon steel. Old Timers - carbon steel. Uncle Henrys - stainless.

I agree but I also think it would be nice if they would offer both.  

Schrade always used to do just that - Old Timer for the carbon steel folks, and Uncle Henrys for the stainless folks. Now Taylor messed the whole thing up! LOL!

Schrade information..............

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/

Just purchased from Ron James a 3OT, 6OT, LB5, 897UH, 34OT, 8OT & XT1B. I am rather excited to be receiving these knives. I will post pictures when they arrive.

I'll be very anxious to see them Brad! You're going to make me want some good old Schrades again! LOL!

Ron James apparently doesn't carry, because 6 out of 6 knives I bought from him were Mint in Box. Even the 3OT "second" he gave me is in near mint condition. As you can see below they are all in un-used condition, with the factory edge still razor sharp. With the exception of the X-Timer which was perfect until I decided to see how far down the knife would cut through a double layer of 200 lb test Corrugated, with arm dropping force. 16". 36" if I power into it, but all that scarred of the black finish on both sides of the knife. I had planned on removing the finish and handle anyway.

I am very pleased with my purchase from Ron and would like to thank him publicly for his excellent tastes in cutlery. Also to tell him I will probably be back for the Hunter next week.

That's a good haul Brad!!!

An exciting group of new knives!  Congrats

I can't believe some of the prices the common everyday delrin handled Schrades are going for today! I guess Schrade going out of business was good for the collectors (sellers)! LOL!

1917-46 Schrade Cutco Peanut - Butter-n-Molasses

Fantastic Brad! Love that Butter and Molasses! And it's a Peanut!

Schrade Horizontal sheath I bought on eBay. Fantastic! Now I can carry a slipjoint knife without the knife floating around my pocket. The knife pictured in the sheath is my Schrade Butter & Molasses 896K Medium Stockman (3-1/2" Closed)

My 108OT Old Timer Junior, and my 885UH Uncle Henry King Ranch.

I was fortunate enough to be able to buy a counter display of U.S.A. made Schrade knives. The display was almost complete only two knives missing and both were the same pattern the scissors knife a 707 UH & 106 OT. All the knives are mint and most boxes are with it.

Harvey, not sure I have any 106s or 707s left, but will look when I get time.

Harvey, if Ron has them. Buy them, they will probably be the most immaculate knives in that case if you do. 

Sorry, all I can find is the Ducks Unlimited versions of the 106 and 707. 

Thanks for looking Ron. If I can not come up with any I may consider these!

This is some of my Schrade Knives . Seventeen of these are mint, they are all USA made and I have Boxes for the mint knives as well. 

This is a counter display that I purchased with my collection. the scissor knives are the only ones missing. I found this in 2005 not long after Schrade went out of business.

SCC USA SC 506 (Schrade)

Improved Muskrat I used on the Trapline in South Dakota

Nice open stock Schrade Ken! 

I have a Uncle henry 897 UH from 2004, a scrimshaw Barlow from the 80's, and I recently bought a 293 trapper on ebay. I always liked the old timers and Uncle Henrys

I get an old schare wire jack and it sounds like a wonderful design, the handle is the working spring!!!!

The old wire knives are neat!

I haven't posted these for a while. Two of four Schrades that I have left from a LARGE Scharde collection I had in the 1980's. 

Schrade-Waldens

Jigged Peacheed Bone

Butter and Molasses Celluloid

Thanks Hog! I've been surprised that it and my old Camillus in celluloid have remained in mint condition........knock on wood. 

I still keep the celluloid ones away from my others......just in case.

Picked up this Schrade TL-29 - really nice handles and great snap.

Recent score at a Gun Show: OT 33OT USA Middleman Jack NIB