I had to have one of the new Schatt & Morgan Barlows!!!

should be here tomorrow!

wooohoo!  My retirement knife!

She's a beaut, Jan

Thanks Howard

Well done Jan !! That is one of the nicest Barlows I've ever seen. 

Thanks Jon.  I am a sucker for a good Barlow :)

That is a nice looking Barlow Jan, well done .

Wow, that's really too bad that your new Schatt & Morgan Barlow knife has those glaring defects. Granted, they are really hard to see with the naked eye. But under the scrutiny of my magnificent magical magnifying monitor I was able to see them quite clearly. 

Now I don't you to fret about this, Miss Jan, what with Thanksgiving nearly upon us.

So, in the true spirit of the Holiday season, and being a giver like I am and all, I am going to offer to dispose of this knife properly and let your mind heal from the heartbreak of this traumatic experience.

And, please! I don't want you to feel like you owe me anything for helping you out like this. Just pack that puppy up and send it to me. Do it today! Get that defective knife out of your house, out of your mind, and into my caring hands . 

I'm sure you're starting to feel better already just knowing that you have a friend like me. Someone who places others before himself.

Speaking of which. I have noticed some other members that have been posting pictures of their new knives that are similarly defective. Jack and Craig. Patrik and John Bamford. To name a few that desperately need my selfless assistance. All of you guys really need to send those bad knives to me so that I can unselfishly put your minds at rest and properly dispose of those heartbreaking knives.

Everyone! Send all of your knives to me today! Don't bother looking. You probably won't be able to detect the problems. But, trust me! Your knives are broken and I can help!

SEND THEM TO ME.....TODAY!!! 

p.s., BTW Jan. That really is a beauty of a knife you got as your retirement present. Enjoy both in good health, my friend!

That Ron Cooper is a sneaky fellow don't believe him Jan, retirement though oh I could do with that. 

Don't mean it Ron I have left you all my knives in my will.

LOL Ron Cooper.  If I find a defect it is yours.  Please dont hold your breathe I have been carrying it for three days checked it over many times.  But if I find one I will forward the knife LMAO

Thanks for the retirement wishes all.  Once the move to the mountains is complete I am looking forward to it.  Right now my body is wondering why I traded a desk for 100 boxes of stuff LOL

That's a beauty of a Barlow, Jan!  You know I'm thinking about retiring maybe we can do a trade.  I'll give you one of my pass-along knives and you can give me that run of the mill barlow!   No?

I had an opportunity to speak with David Mullins today and while doing so the discussion took a sad turn to the subject of the recent loss of Joe Kious.  In Davids words, Queen Cutlery has lost a member of the family.  The sorrow is felt by every member, from the factory to those that dont work on site.  The Kious family is in our hearts this Christmas season and all seasons going forward.

LOL Tobias I just read about the pass along trade.  Maybe not but thank you for the offer LOL

Everyone at Queen would like to wish you all a VERY Merry Christmas and a healthy and happy New Year! 

Merry Christmas to all, we hope to see oyu soon at a show

Got a great pic of the #90 from Franks Classics.  Thanks Frank

Jigged Camel Bone Handles, MOP Keystone Shield,  ATS-34 Stainless, Production limited to 100. 

I can only blame the lack of Sharp Things at Christmas for my weakness, ah well in trouble again I guess.

John it is beautiful!

It is Jan I managed to resist the first bunch that Greg had. The latest group have a lot of variation in the colour of the handles and I didn't want to wait till I had missed out all together.

hi: got this Winchesters for Christmas.  It is a 4502 stag congress made in 1996 by Queen.   i just love these black box winchesters.

Duke Biscotti

Great lookin knife John.  And Duke, I love those Winchester repo's.  My grandfather has the full collection of them, they are really well made and eyecatching to boot.

I do like those 90's and the MOP shield is intriguing I hope they stick around for a while !  It was a choice between that and the Ruple and it was a hard decision , the last bunch of horn handled Ruple's sold out very fast so I thought it best to get one first.

Really good looking Congress Duke I have a Carl Schlieper Congress, nice knife but I seem to cut myself with it rather a lot . 

Some purdy knives, fellas! I am especially drawn to that Winchester - Beautiful stag and great shield! Congrats to John and Duke! Enjoy those knives, guys!

Here are a few of the other Winchesters.  You'll notice, some of the ones with celluloid handles are outgassing pretty badly.  FYI, if you own any of these, keep them away from your other knives so they don't damage anything.

Great looking collection, Carl!

I admit it.  I'm jealous of the brass handled ones with the hunting scenes!

Thanks Ron, they are my grandfather's, not mine.  But I like to show them off anyways.

Tobias, all the bronze handled ones were made by Utica Cutlery, while Queen made all the rest (stag, bone, pearl, and celluloid handles.)

Hi:  thanks for the pics and comments.  i rally don;t have many of those with celluloid handles, but i'll keep them apart from the others.  

Houston Price's book lists several of those made by Queen from 1987 to 1992 as having waterfall handles.  most references i have seen say that waterfall is a celluloid material.  i have several of these and it sure looks like smooth bone to me.  does anyone out there know?

None that I have seen had smooth bone handles.  Clarence Risner's price guide on these knives calls them "waterfall celluloid", so I think the waterfall is a smooth creamy colored celluloid.  Sometimes they sure are tough to tell apart.

Hello,

Waterfall is (was) a very nice pattern of a terribly self-destroying celluloid.

Terrific when you paid $200+ for such a poor short-living thing...   

Waterfall is a beautiful celluloid but it is also know as one of the worst for gassing off.  They were the first of the celluloids I sold off actually.  I made sure the buyer knew they were fine at that time but they ARE celluloid

I dont think I had any queens that were celluloid though, all were Case Classics

This one is a "Winchester Case Classics" via Blue Grass Cutlery Corp.,© 1989 Case- a James F. Parker Company.

I've got the same pattern, MINT - sort of a miracle, I guess... (of course, I take care of it). 

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I have a small collection of old Schatt & Morgan Waterfall handled Dollar knives from the 1920s and I have found this old stuff to very stable. It is the newer celluloid that has really gone bad. I also have other old celluloid handled Schatts that have no problems.

A few more pictures.

Those are nice David!  funny the 1920 celluloid stayed so well and the 1980 version was not as stable

I don't know if older celluloid is more stable. David Clark's dollar knives suggest not all old ones destroy themselves.  I had an German eye amber celluloid, mid 1980s.  In less than a year it completely ruined itself and badly tarnished 4 other knife blades.  So I generally stay way.  Four years a I got two Queen Classic swing guards with celluloid handles (a blue and a brown pearl). They were too nice to resist, but I sealed them on clear plexiglass inside a heavy duty food saver bag. So far so good. 

I have also been told that higher temperatures and sun exposure can start the outgassing.  SO my stuff stays cool and out of the light...

Holy cow! Who's that stud in the Stetson?

David,

it's difficult to judge after the pics, but I'm pretty sure it's NOT waterfall, not celluloid, but bakelite - a very stable stuff indeed.

this is the material i am talking about.  it looks  like smooth bone to me.  i have 3 or four of these from 1988 and they look like brand new.  any thoughts?

Duke Biscotti

Hi again:  RE: celluloid handles on Winchester reproductions made by Queen between 1987 and 1992.  

i have just looked at my collection again and have 4 knives with handles like below on the 2880 1/2 that appear to be a smooth bone to me, although Price calls them waterfall.

i also have two Christmas trees, one goldstone and one charcoal ruby copper.  all 8 of these knives are from 1987, 88 or 89.  all  of the handles look absolutely perfect, like the day they were issued.  These knives are all about 25 years old.  does anyone feel there is any danger of these knives degenerating or adversely affecting other knives, if i keep all of my knives in their boxes in a cool dark place?

thanks

Duke Biscotti

http://http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.htmlI have selected three Schatts with what I call waterfalls handles. These have very “active” waterfall “action”. Hopefully these photos will show that.  In the Dollar Knife sales literature, Schatt calls this material Pyralin and sometimes Ivory Pearl. I am attaching a Schatt & Morgan sales flyer also as information, hopefully you can read it, and it is a large image. There was an article published in Knife World in 2000 that is available to read at this site: http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.html, a wealth of information on celluloid. I don’t think these knife handles are Bakelite so I won’t put them to the flame test yet

here are two shots that are closeups of the material on these winchesters produced by Queen between 1987 and 1992.  this is not the same material as the knives David just posted (which by the way are really beautiful).  it REALLY  looks like smooth bone to me, but perhaps it could be horn or bakelite????  any ideas?  by the way, David, what precautions do you take with your waterfall knives in storing them?

Duke, here are some pages that Risner wrote back in the mid 90's about these knives, and I did see "Burnt Orange Bone" listed, so that may be what yours are.  I'm not sure which pattern number you have, but this may help.

thanks much.  i'll examine this with interest.  the burnt orange bone this mentions is actually a jigged bone with an orangish color.

Duke Biscotti

Hi,

Duke: I agree with you, I think that the material of these winchesters IS smooth bone (see the irregularities of colour of the yellow one).

David: I can be wrong, but that’s not what I would call “Waterfall” (see below); now that I can see the lines on the new pics, I think it’s celluloid, but rather the “faux ivory” or “French ivory type” often sold as Pyralin – wich is a ® of celluloid. 

This WINCHESTER JUMBO SUNFISH KNIFE (Cartridge Series)  is a case Winchester Classic, # W 18 20110, .45-70 Cartridge Shield Series. Four different celluloid handles were available for this  11 th release in the .45-70 Cartridge Shield Series : Candy Stripe, Cranberry Gold Swirl, Tortoise,  and this Waterfall

I was told by a chemist that the handles of this CASE TESTED FOLDING HUNTER (1920-1940) are made from BAKELITE.