Was just going through all my ebay purchases for the last year and it's been 9 months since I bought a Queen or Schatt & Morgan knife.  I better get on the stick!  I kind of specialize in PA made cutlery.  With Case, Queen and a couple of others in the state there is no shortage to choose from.  I don't let is stop me from buying a choice Buck or other knife though.

Several years ago I found this knife at a yard sale. This is the smallest of my queen knifes. The handle material is jigged bone. Both blades have very strong snap. I'm not sure when this was made...maybe someone can tell me what model this was called and approximately when it was made. Would this be a "collectible" knife or just considered a common knife. Thank you all.

Most people refer to those as an "Equal End Pen Knife" or a "Senator" pattern, I think for Queen that would be a #5 pattern.  I'm not a Queen expert, so I'm sure someone with more knowledge will correct me if I'm not accurate.  To date the knife, you need to look at the tang stamp, and compare it to this chart, it will help narrow it down.

The knife looks in nice shape, as long as the handles on both sides are not cracked.  The blades look in good condition, main blade looks like it was sharpened a bit. If the knife is earlier (mid-50's or before) the handles would be winterbottom bone.  If the knife is after that, the handles are likely Delrin plastic made to look like bone.  It's hard to tell from just one picture, you really need to hold it in your hand to get all the info from the knife. Nice catch either way.  I would call it collectible.  Book value on a mint condition knife would be about $40 or so.

I bought them maybe 2 years ago, but that has no bearing on their age. The Mountain Man has Q78 on the base of the blade, but I'm not sure if that refers to a model number or a year. The KKCA is from 1994 (obviously).

Q78 is the tang stamp with the year made - 1978.

Well Historian David Clarke has done it again!  Check out the early Grindstone information and enjoy! http://www.queencutlery.com/uploads/Early_Cutlery_Grindstones_3-25-...

Thanks, Jan.  Great information, especially for me.  My father-in-law purchased some Potter County Pennsylvania mountain property back in the '60s.  It is a mountainous area by eastern standards.  Most of Potter county is up and down with relatively few flat areas.  The property was intended as a "hunting camp" as there were/are plenty of deer and turkey. 

However, early inspection of the property showed signs of quarrying - shallow, almost insignificant quarrying of flagstone.  One of my brothers-in-law, along with a local native of Potter Co. got interested in trying to sell this "Pennsylvania Bluestone flagstone in the late '90s, as it is harder than the Arizona type of flagstone.  So they bought a stone cutter and worked the quarry for a time until the bottom fell out of the flagstone market.  

So, this article says that some nice hard (and soft) flagstone (sandstone) was found in the 1800s in the UP of MI (Grindstone City) that made excellent grindstones when cut and shaped into wheels for grinding knife blades.

I am wondering if the guys working the quarry on the property ever had the flagstone analyzed for content of silica, etc.  It is a very fine-grained sandstone, and might make excellent benchstones - since carborundum ruined the grindstone business.  Now, there doesn't seem to be any of that hard Arkansas stone for fine work, but maybe a coarse or medium benchstone material might be just lying there waiting to become a natural benchstone.  It won't compete with Norton benchstones, but might be a "cottage" industry to make a buck here and there.

WOW!  Howard that may indeed be a great cottage industry.  I wonder if your brother has a piece of it laying around to be analyzed?

Plenty of scrap in the small quarry.  Left a message.  Waiting for his return call.

This is my little queen knife...anyone familiar with this tiny bone handled gem?

Here is another one of my Queen knifes that is bone handled. Handles appear to have a green cast color, linings are brass, both blades are single snap. Would like knife be considered scarce. It has old sharpening marks on both blades but not cracks or missing bone pieces on handles.

How long are those 2 knives when closed?  And is there more to the tang stamp on the equal-end pen knife other than the Q logo?  It's hard to tell for sure from the photo.

Carl- the little knife is 2 1/2 inch closed,Don told me. It is a Queen #5 Senator pen knife in winterbottom bone circa 1932 -1955

Don- I'm guessing the Queen City knife is 37/8"closed?? It appears to be a Queen City 2 blade jack in Winterbottom bone (circa 1922-1932)  It was valued at $125 back in 1999 in Jim Sargent's  " American Premium Guide to Knives & Razors". Add 17 years to the present time, $125 ++

Here is another one of my older queen knifes, it measures about 3-3/4th in length and has strong double snaps on both blades...appears to have been used very little. I really appreciate you guys/gals helping me in learning about the knifes I have. Thanks to all.

Don,Thanks for sharing. These are a lot like a Queen #10, but they were not so labeled till after WWII. There is a new resource added to the Queen Historical Documents website that shows color photographs of Queen Knives before 1980 - They are from the 7th (and final) Sargent book referenced above and they are WONDERFUL, Very excited.  Here is a link showing an old Queen City heavy Jack  - looks like yours but with bone.

http://www.queencutlery.com/Queen_City_2.php

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Lots of great items on the Queen site!

Dan

Well, according to the latest version of Sargent's book from 2008, this is what a mint version of each would bring (although I think Sargent's values are a tad on the high side of realistic prices).  The best way to see what the knife is worth is to watch Ebay auctions and see what a knife in similar condition to yours is bringing.
Queen # 5 Senator Pen with Winterbottom bone. mint = $30-$40

(I think) Queen City, #10 Jack, with Winterbottom bone. mint = $80-$90 (this exact knife with this shield isn't listed in Sargent's book)

Queen City, Heavy Jack, black composition handles. mint = $50-$60

this is not a Queen but it came out of the same building. It's been used but no abused. No chips or cracks and it measures 5-3/4" closed..I think this would be illegal in some states to even carry.

Love the toothpick pattern! This is a nice one!

This is a real cutie measuring 2-3/8th closed. Both blades are double snap and aside from moderate sharpening I'd say it is in very good condition. The handles are top notched mother of pearl and have no chips or cracks. The liners are part of the end caps and appear to be German silver.Does anyone know about this company and an approximate value...thanks to all that are helping me.

Don,

On the German made that is NOT a Queen, you may have a little better luck getting some info on it here

Just added this beaut S&M to the collection ... (Horn Covers)

VERRRY nice! Love the MOP shield! Is that about a Mountain Man size knife?

Derek,

That is stunning!  I am wondering if it was a part of the heritage series.  If I remember right they were all S&M with a MOP shield

Yep Richard it is the same as a Mountain Man in Size - Unfortunately it didn't come with a box Jan so I have no additional info in it - but if someone here can expand my knowledge I'd appreciate it. I will say it has a super deep blade etch and really slick smooth action. 

Ooops You can officially mark me a 'D' for dope ... I should have added the etching reads "Schatt Morgan  American Pocket Knives Titusville PA   1902   2002"

The more I study on it, the more I see this has been put together with a lot of care and attention to fine details ... the pins ... the inlay ... is top shelf! 

That is one seriously beautiful knife you have there Derek! I love that deep etching on the blade. And I especially love the horn scales and pearl shield! The only thing I can think that could possibly make that knife any nicer would be if it were in my pocket and not yours! Congratulations, mate!

Ah, so it's a 100th Anniversary knife. Here's what the box would have looked like, then:

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_store/item917-30727.html

Great looking knife, Derek.  Alas, it is so nice, I doubt it will see anybody's pocket.

Thanks Folks and Richard for the Linkto Dandy ... If the knife in the link sold for $200 US$ I got mine very cheaply $67 Aust  That's about $47 US$

Wish I had the box ..........

Derek,

Honestly, send an email to Queen.  If they do have a box they will let you know.  It is not unheard of.  They have been in the same factory for ever and a day.  Sometimes they have a few odds and ends someone may be looking for.  The worst case scenario is they dont and we have to start searching LOL

All this talk made me dig out my buffalo horn mountain man.  It has the MoP keystone shield and the 2002 blade etch on the reverse side but not the centennial etch on the obverse.  Otherwise looks to be the same.  Love that centennial etch, wish mine had it!

A pic of my Queen Mountain man (My around the farm working knife) - just one of those photo opportunities that comes along once in a blue moon.

(PS The 'Red-Belly Black' was road-kill)

These Mountain men knives are great, big sturdy handle, big enough blade to tackle heavy work.  The polished Buffalo horn with pearl keystone is one of my favorites, although I like something with a bit rougher handle for work use - like the ACSB.  One of the funny things about knife companies is how they find reasons for special editions-  the100 anniversary in 2002, relies on Schatt & Morgan moving to Titusville from  Gowanda,NY.  While the 80th anniversary (also in 2002) dates to the time when Queen incorporated. Lots of fun and nice knives.     

love that knife, big snake,even bigger knife love the pic,how did you get the laynard to match.just one of  those shotswhen you just had to be there.

You know, I try real hard not to drive toward any one dealer.  I want you to visit all our sponsors !  Every once in a while something comes along that is only going to be at one dealership and it is so unique I just have to share it with you. 

Moose Tear Drop, EZ Open, 1095 Spear Blade, 3.875" blade, Moose Antler Handle, 23 made, Keystone Shield

06 tear drop with Moose Handles

oooh, now that is a unique knife, and very cool looking.

Thanks Carl, I am really loving it

That is a wonderful looking knife Andreas. Wow!

I love these Baby Sunfishes. This one is really a beauty!

Yes its a real pearl. 

OOOOO, that looks like a Queen Custom Shop stamp on that beauty Andreas!