Dale,

Thank you.  I should have thought to ask Mr Fisher, he and Carls' grandfather are 2 of the best Queen (through the ages) resources I know of.  In both cases it is first hand knowledge.  I knew about the razor but had totally forgotten.  Now THAT would be a piece of history to find !

Big Chief counter display. Fred Sampson said this was the first counter display for the Big Chief. Courtesy of Fred Fisher collection.

Note the pencil sharpener by Queen Cutlery. Courtesy of Fred Fisher collection.

Courtesy of Fred Fisher collection.

When I was a young man, (now that's been a while!) our local hardware store had a small stock of Queen knives.  I bought them because they were not expensive and when I lost one I didn't feel too bad.  That lasted through college.  Then I realized that if I bought an expensive knife I kept track of it and didn't loose it.  Have only lost two knives since that moment.  I still have the Queen pocket knife I had in college and the first Queen sheath knife I owned.  I also bought all of the Queen pearl handled pocket knives our hardware store had at a discount because they weren't selling.  Wish I could find a deal like that today......   

The big Chief #45 had only four parts, blade, aluminum handle, backspring and pin. Could be put together in not much more than a minute!  Like very much the early counter display.  In my conversation with Fred Sampson, he indicated that the price on that display would have been $.99 - less than a buck for a very capable Daddy barlow - the perfect tacklebox knife. It was a major seller for many years!  (And it kept Queen from fooling around much with more traditional #71 Daddy barlow.  I understand it was dropped from the catalogs once Daniels took over due to a persistent problem with breaking backsprings- an ill-advised change in the tempering process before they ever took over.  

The trick is to find a nice new one with a bad spring and an old one with a used-up blade, push out the pin and replace parts.  You will feel like a cutler (sort of), but end up with a great working knife.

Fred Sampson also pointed out that casting those aluminum handles did require some skill - You had to have the aluminum at the right temp, the mold at the right temp, and use air pressure just right to get a complete handle with no bubbles or gaps.  So, as the company got into fancier knives, some of those early skills might have been weaker.  GREAT KNIFE. 

Out of practice, that $. 99 was in 1953.  The price did go up...

Lots of great information, pics, and memories. Thanks for sharing.

My only two Schatt & Morgan knives. 

I have a third on its way.

The top on is a File & Wire Series (ATS-34)

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The bottom is a Humpback Lockback Whittler. It's a Premier Series. This series was exclusive to Clarence Risner. I understand Queen struggled with the intricacies of this model. It's heritages stems from Remington's original version.

Courtesy of the collection of Fred Fisher.

Comment by Dan Lago  .. that $. 99 was in 1953.  The price did go up...

The table blanket makes a great photo backdrop.

And I had no idea that Queen ever put their name on

scissors.

The only 2 references to scissors that I ever saw were for Marks

brand scissors.

My wife has an uncle who is a barber here in town, I am going to

stop by his shop and ask him if he has ever seen any Queen scissors

or trimmers. He just in his early eighties and still opens his shop up at

5:30 every morning except monday and sunday so he can cut hair for

those customers who have to be at work early.

For years he has been the barber to the General of the Ms River Valley Division

and some of the Colonels as he is one of the few who know what a real

military cut is.  Years back when my children wanted flat tops he was the only

one around that could do a real flat top.  When you put a ruler across

the top is was flat not slightly curved.

And to get back on topic that is a very impressive display and I have enjoyed

seeing it and learning something about Queen that I did not know.

Thanks

Dale

I am envious of the lockback whittler.  The handles are impressive and

the model is one that is rarely seen.

Congrats..

Would it be a real big problem to post a picture of the markings on the scissors?  I was not aware that Queen made scissors, either, and am curious how they were marked.  I'm not a scissors collector, but picked up a small set of what I think are barber scissors with an arrowhead mark.  Just curious.  Thanks.

Bruce,

I have asked Ms. Linda Fisher to post a pic highlighting Queen's etch / stamp on the scissors. She promptly replied .. yes. I'll post it here once available.

D ale

Thanks, D ale.  I am sure it will be interesting and informative.

Bruce

And Mr Dan Lago would be and is among my go to people to ask Queen questions of.  Thankfully we have some fantastic people here to help us.  The knowledge is fantastic!

......... Courtesy of .........

Linda Williams Fisher

Courtesy of the collection of Fred Fisher.

NOTE:

Ms. Fisher had earlier stated that Fred states the smallest scissors are that most difficult to find.

D ale

The 'bay was good to me today. So was the post-person.

The aluminum handle has oxidized ..but.. I think the blade has not been touched.

!!! .. Big Smile .. !!!

D ale,

Great find!  I have a soft spot for those aluminum handles for some reason, are you going to clean the handles?  If so what will you use since they are textured?

I'm thinken' ......

Comment by Jan Carter 

D ale

would barkeeps friend work.

it is as close to non abrasive as you can get

I don't know what it is ..but.. I'll certainly look it up.

!! . Thank you . !!!

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Say, did you catch the Scissors stamps ??

Found it 
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I'm checking into it.
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!!! . Thanks again . !!!

Thanks for the logo pictures for Queen scissors.  Very informative and helpful.  I think I remember seeing one pair of scissors over the years with that marking.  Didn't realize at the time how rare they were or I would have tried to hang on to them.

Queen Cutlery History - Complete guide to Queen Cutlery knives and ...

The Queen documents are back on line!!!

GREAT to see Queen Cutlery History back online. Bob is correct, I left this group over persistent editorial decisions, but that doesn't mean I have left collecting Queen knives and adding to their history.  I am learning a lot about websites and videos and working with knowledgable partners. .  I will keep you posted as things emerge. Dan 

Please do Dan, all the history we can get is good

The Historical Knife Spotlight at queencutleryhistory.com has been updated. The featured knife is a Queen City bareheaded, swell end jack with some unusual features.

We plan to update this feature on the homepage at least monthly. Starting next month a new Knife Spotlight page will be posted, where collectors can review past featured knives.

You folks who like the old Queen City folders will want to visit the Knife Library at Queencutleryhistory.com. We've added 18 oldies into the Knife Library, on the Queen City folders page. There are some big ones, small ones and a few with the rare Queen City Cutlery (script) tang stamp.

As always I am trying to make sure I let you know about any deals I see.  Pre owned 41L for sale at Trestle Pine right now

Several new features have been added to queencutleryhistory.com since the site launched in October, 2019. Photos and descriptions of more than 50 vintage knives have been added throughout the Knife Library. Past Historical Knife Spotlights are now archived on a new page in the Historical Documents section. We have added a page with links with to other cutlery resources on the web, and the new feature Collector Questions & Comments appears further down on the homepage.

Bob,

Thank you.  I go there so much for research!  The site is growing and doing fantastic!

At Queen cutleryguide.com We are beginning to build documentation f...

    The second photo is a set of four Clarence Risner special factory orders in 2008.

See the story under "Articles" "Knives" "Special Knives"

 Send us photos and descriptions of knives you would like to add to this record.

Thank, Dan 

Dan,

All research and information is always a welcome sight!  Thank you for sharing with us also

Where is the best place to get identification and or the most information for an old I believe #82 Queen fixed hunting knife? Also, what about other knives, is there a routine for getting help on identifying older different makers knives ? I have been collecting pocket knives & fixed blades for over 40 years, just not a heavy collector, just some older and unusual knives. Thanks for any help in advance.

Russell West,  The #82 is shown in many Queen catalogs - Here is a link to summarize those listings. https://queencutleryguide.com//wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Model-82-...

It has been made with many handle materials and steel over the years. You can look at old catalogs with the page numbers in the guide above by searching Queenhistory.com , for a set of digitized catalogs,     These two websites provide a lot of information on older Queen Cutlery and Queen City knives .  If you are seeking other maker's knives I am not that strong - I suggest other groups on this site or "Allabout pocketknives.com" -  And I suggest most will want to see a good picture of the overall knife and the tang stamp. Have fun! 

Russell, You will find information on a vast array of Queen knives at queencutleryhistory.com. They appear in the various catalogs on the site and there are photos and descriptions of 5 different #82 knives in the Knife Library. In addition, as Dan Lago has mentioned, queencutleryguide.com has catalog summaries of this and other Queen knives.

David Clark has written an interesting new article about 3 very rare Schatt & Morgan knives which feature a unique punching tool, patented in 1908. The story with photos appears on the home page of Queencutleyhistory.com, in the Historical Knife Spotlight. There is also a link to the complete article, with patent documents, on the Cutlery Articles page.

Nice article by David Clark on John Schatt's punching tool - When you look at catalogs you see Queen appears not to have changed this tool ever, while offering it in different sizes in different patterns for essentially 110 years! 

      You can see in #37ballon  - 1958 at 4" closed;  

       In 1977 in jigged delrin and black delrin as #38 (B) at only 3..25" (catalog 50)         closed;

       and in 2004 as #49 horseman at 4.25 closed in CSB and Birds eye maple;  

        And finally, a picture of 6 teardrop with a punch in the company's last year of production at 3.75" closed.  The most recent one looks like the sharp tip is rounded a bit, and as David Clark comments, the bases of the blades might be modified to fit the larger or smaller pattern, but they sure look similar.  Used this kind of tool on boy scout knife and victorinox swiss army - Worked very well - why chane it. 

Lots of new material has been added to queencutleryhistory.com. David Clark has yet another article on the rare Jess Crouch knife, which was produced by Schatt & Morgan around 1915 to 1920 or so. Jess Crouch was one of the officers of the cutlery. The Queen Tang Stamp Guide has been updated again as we've finally acquired a picture of the elusive "small Q" stamp used only in 1971. On the Flyers and Ads page you'll see several new sales brochures.

Bob,

Thanks for the info and for a new article to read during this time at home!

Fred Fisher, Brian Guth and I have posted a new article #78 hunting and Combat Knife  on Queencutleryguide.com, that shows this iconic knife in two catalog versions, and a third rare knife seem only once in over 70 cumulative years of knife collecting - a leather handle #78.  See under "Articles" --> ""knives"

We have also a numbver of files under "Special knives " for mostly new Queen and Schatt & Morgan knives that have never appeared in catalogs.  Check these patterns and if you have one NOT shown, please send it to us so we can add it to our documentation.

4L Woodsman

06 and 6L

10 heavy jack

19 trapper

62 easy open fruit and slim hunter

82L big folding hunter

  We will adding more - Thanks, Dan

30 33 small congress

31  32 large congress

A couple people at Queen Cutlery History now have the new SMKW Queen Pilot Run mini-trapper and there is a bit of a review on the homepage, along with a lot more new content.

          With Fred Fisher, Brian Guth, Ashley and Joe Mick, we have begun a new series on how Queen BOXED their knives from 1947,  now through 1980 . We will add both older and newer box treatments as this series grows.  It is based on having a broader history of Queen's products, and to provide modern collectors with information which will limit the attractiveness of "parts knives" following Queen's demise.

1947 – 1971 here:  https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.109/gbh.929.myftpupload.com/...

1972-1980 here: https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.109/gbh.929.myftpupload.com/...

These are first editions in a relatively untouched area of Queen History. If you have suggestions or would like to contribute, PLEASE CONTACT US  through Facebook or from the <QueenCutleryguide.com> site.

Sorry, Not too good  at leadiong phots - Lots of new infomration on...

Every month queencutleryhistory features a different knife or knives in the Historical Knife Spotlight on their home page. New today is a spotlight on the Schatt & Morgan File & Wire Series knives which were launched in 1998.

You can also read past knife spotlights via this link.

Coming up next month are some very rare and very early S&M folders.

In light of SMKW’s recent issue of the new Queen Pilot Test Run knife, the editors at queencutleryhistory.com have published a short article “Is There a Future for New Queen Knives”. What’s your opinion?

Fred Fisher, Brian Guth, and Ashley and Joe Mick and I, have added a new articles on Queen Cutlery Boxes - this time the 1980s at this address: https://secureservercdn.net/…/Queen-Cutlery-Boxes-1980s-6-1…
We stress this is a "First edition" and if you have new items to add or a critique please do not hesitate to share - That is how iknowledge grows. Here are a few photos to get you started. Thank you! Dan