Not everybody is avare of the Chinese knife market. Here is one comparison and some thoughts.
Spyderco Endura 4 Vs Byrd Cara Cara 2 Vs NAVY K-631
Endura 4 - VG10 /FRN/ HG
Cara Cara 2 - 8CR13MoV /FRN/FFG
K-631 - 440C /G10/HG
The blade tip configuration is slightly different as you can see on the picture the K-631 has a more pointed tip so that it makes it more effective for a stabbing type action. Cara Cara gen. 2 has more belly so this is more a working knife as by ma opinion. The K-631 like the Cara Cara 2 are offed in 3 blade configuration. At this point I do not have the G10 version of Cara Cara 2 but for information purposuses the FRN version is sufficient.
I you want a G10 version of the Endura but don't want to spend a long time searching the secondary market and spend 120+ USD I can recommend the Byrd or Navy knives. For about 30 USD you cant go wrong they are a value purchase. I do not support or promote any of these Chinese knives but when spyderco does not see the need or market for A G10 line for Endura and Delica you have other option one is go the custom way the second is buy other brands.
I'm that I can share with you all my first custom spyderco.
It is a Delica 4 FFG with royal blue G10 handle scales made by Oscar Garcia thank you buddy. I would like in the future acquire some more of his custom modified spyderco's.
Hi Bjorn I guess this is the right place to do some advertising for a felow collector/knife modifier.
Here are some of his spyderco creations. The mods are not cheap but we all know that you get a unique knife so to say one of kind.
If you want to spend from 100-150 USD depends on the basic knife send me a PM with your email and I will give him your contact. Hi takes orders on preference basis. So basically if you want a green G10 delica with red liners extra gimping hi can do that and had a reasonable prices.
Have a nice day i hope you like the pictures this are directly from Oscar I do not own these knives.
I put some Big Boy pants on my new Orange Para 2. I think he looks pretty spiffy now...
This is my 3rd Para 2 and I'm hoping to get my hands on one of the Green ones with CTS-204P that are due to start shipping sometime next month. (He said with fingers crossed.)
These Para 2's are the crack cocaine of knives, IMO!
Wow! Nice looking collection, Patrik! My Spyderco collections certainly pales in comparison. All 5 of mine--3 Para 2's and 2 Millies--are already posted earlier in this thread. After looking at the pics of all yours I think I have Spydie envy now!
Thank you Ron I do appreciate your words. I still consider my collection to be small. I bought my first spyderco 6 years ago. Got really into them just 3 years ago and as you can see I love them.
Patrik, I only recently was bitten by the Spyder, myself. In fact, I got my first Spyderco Para 2 in May of last year. I have since acquired 2 more Paramilitary 2's and 2 full Millie's. I think the thing I like the most about Spydies is that they come in some many flavors -- Different steel, different locking variants, and so many handle options and materials. I am currently contemplating the purchase of a Gayle Bradley. Which, by all accounts, seems to be quite a popular knife. You probably have the same problem I have with Spyderco's, in that I rarely get to handle them before buying one. I'm not completely convinced that I will like the liner lock on the GB since some owners claim that it is not like the liner lock on, say, the Military, for instance. It's supposed to be a little hard to get to? Also, there is another Sprint run Para 2 that I really want -- the green one that is suppose to be out sometime this month.
In any event, they sure are nice knives --all of 'em--and I am anxious to get my paws on more of them!
Thanks, again, for sharing your collection -- it's awesome!
Ron I completely agree with you and I can say just go for it the GB is a perfect knife you will be not disjointed I can tell you that it is also on my wish list some say that the knife is one f the best production knives that spyderco makes. I'm currently selling my sebenza 21 large because I do want a Mictotech select-fire and some other knives but I will buy also more spyderco's.
That GrassHopper is a really nice little knife, Patrik! It will do just about anything you need a knife to do, and it's legal just about anywhere. Perfect!
This is another interesting offering from Ed Schempp! CPM 3V steel is definitely not an ordinary run-of-the-mill steel that you might expect to find in a folding knife. But this is not a run-of-the-mill knife, that's for sure! There are a number of unusual aspects to this knife, not the less of which is the blade's steel.
For starters, you need look no further than this knife's geometry to appreciate its difference. Then, the coupling of the titanium and G10 scales to form the highly dimpled handle on this baby.
I see where it offers the same beefed up Reeve Integral Lock (R.I.L.) as my titanium Spyderco Military.
On its surface it looks like it might go a long way toward living up to its name of "Tuff." However, I really doubt that I'll be adding one anytime soon to my Spyderco arsenal?
I say that for a couple of reasons. For one thing, I would expect a knife that's built this tough to have a longer cutting edge than a mere 3 inches. That's less than what I have on one of my Para 2's. It seems like there's a whole lot of steel there with very little designed to do any actual cutting?
Another reason is purely aesthetic. I don't care for the look of all those dimples. I know they're there to cut down on the weight of the knife and perhaps give you a little more grip. But, I think they look atrocious!
And, then, last but not least. I think that, for my purposes, CPM 3V might be a little better suited for a fixed blade knife than a folder? I just don't tend to spine whack or abuse my folding knives to a point where I'd need the chip resistant characteristics of 3V steel.
From my perspective this knife just seems like overkill on many levels. At least in regard to what I expect from a folding knife. "Folding" being the operative word in that sentence.
I would love to hear what others think of this knife. Especially from someone who actually owns one.
Spyderco knives...not the Byrd line...makes good quality knives. The higher priced knives are normally made in the USA or Japan by the finest of craftsman. So if the price is high is because it cost more to make. As we all know....if you want quality you pay for quality. A problem with Spyderco is when they come out with a knife like this and you think about purchasing one and then start a side fund to go forth with the purchase...and then go to buy this knife....they no longer make one. If you go to their web site in their catalog on page 6 the "Discontinued" knives start and go through page 14. The Spyderco Lum Tanto #FB03 is a prime example. This knife is one good DCC (Direct Contact Combat) knife and in my professional opinion the best Spyderco ever made. If an up and coming knife manufacture such as TOPS would produce this knife it would be a big seller. So the only complaint I have with Spyderco is dropping a good design and coming up with some off the wall projects...which there are many.
Hm nice point Clint I own one lum tanto and yes it is one of a kind outstanding knife don't be disappointed for near twice the price you can buy the benchmade version
Yes I am familiar with the Benchmade 760 but I am not a fan of tanto blade for a pocket knife unless the blade is 4.5 inches or longer. The tanto design was made for causing large slashing wounds. Yes you can stab as well but you can stab with a slotted screwdriver too but the screwdriver was not made with this task in mind. The tanto is good in a combat knife but not superior to the drop point, spear point, clippoint etc. in a working folding pocket knife. Food for thought.
As sad it is nothing last forever (only the human stupidity) you all know if you want a particular knife there are second market option like ebay or forums where you can buy them not always cheap but if you really want it the price is on the second place anyway.
I here what your saying. The reason the Lum Tanto didn't sell in my opinion was at the time it was too expensive. It came with a very nicely made leather sheath but was not suited for military or law enforcement (LEO) use and in brown...not as good as black. The knife was not marketed well wherein its probable target market...like the military and LEO were either overlooked or just not pursued in the right way.
I appreciate the info on the new folder FB3 Lum Tanto sprint. Being a professional writer for the last 11 years and have written and sung the praise of the Spyderco brand and even toured their factory in Golden, Colorado and personally met their marketing people.....I had no idea this knife was even in the works. Case proven on the marketing. I just don't have the time to keep up with the new knives coming out from over 25 different companies. Many contact me to let me know of their new products. Out of 10 of these notifications I may select one to write about as I have a limited number of article each year.
I personally own several spyderco knives and just love the quality. You can't beat them.
Keijo thank you for the information and presenting a defensible side for Spyderco. I know Joyce and Mike would appreciate it.
Yes I looked the FB3 Lum Tanto up on ebay and there was one at "buy it now" for $399.00. This is way out there on price. At most it should be no more than $200. I like Spyderco but not that much. LOL! Thanks Patrik.
Hey Clint if you want one let me know I will send you a PM if I find one for you on the forums Or I give you a link yo my fellow you-tuber who has one and thinks about to sell it. Just let me know and I will do my best to help you out :)
And to all of you if somebody want a sprint run matriarch serrated version here is the link for nice priced one I did pay for mine 145$
Patrik Ilijev
Not everybody is avare of the Chinese knife market. Here is one comparison and some thoughts.
Spyderco Endura 4 Vs Byrd Cara Cara 2 Vs NAVY K-631
Endura 4 - VG10 /FRN/ HG
Cara Cara 2 - 8CR13MoV /FRN/FFG
K-631 - 440C /G10/HG
The blade tip configuration is slightly different as you can see on the picture the K-631 has a more pointed tip so that it makes it more effective for a stabbing type action. Cara Cara gen. 2 has more belly so this is more a working knife as by ma opinion. The K-631 like the Cara Cara 2 are offed in 3 blade configuration. At this point I do not have the G10 version of Cara Cara 2 but for information purposuses the FRN version is sufficient.
I you want a G10 version of the Endura but don't want to spend a long time searching the secondary market and spend 120+ USD I can recommend the Byrd or Navy knives. For about 30 USD you cant go wrong they are a value purchase. I do not support or promote any of these Chinese knives but when spyderco does not see the need or market for A G10 line for Endura and Delica you have other option one is go the custom way the second is buy other brands.
Mar 11, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
I'm that I can share with you all my first custom spyderco.
It is a Delica 4 FFG with royal blue G10 handle scales made by Oscar Garcia thank you buddy. I would like in the future acquire some more of his custom modified spyderco's.
Mar 17, 2012
Ron Cooper
Verrry nice, Patrik! Nice checkering on the scales. I really like that shade of blue. Enjoy your new custom Spydie!
Mar 17, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Thank you Ron the checkering is nice and the G10 overall has the right amount of traction.
Mar 17, 2012
björn thompson
nice knife!! you mind telling me how you got your hands on it? special order?
Mar 18, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hi Bjorn I guess this is the right place to do some advertising for a felow collector/knife modifier.
Here are some of his spyderco creations. The mods are not cheap but we all know that you get a unique knife so to say one of kind.
If you want to spend from 100-150 USD depends on the basic knife send me a PM with your email and I will give him your contact. Hi takes orders on preference basis. So basically if you want a green G10 delica with red liners extra gimping hi can do that and had a reasonable prices.
Have a nice day i hope you like the pictures this are directly from Oscar I do not own these knives.
Mar 18, 2012
Chris Stookey
Mar 23, 2012
Ron Cooper
That Millie looks sweet!
Mar 24, 2012
Frank yanez
May 6, 2012
Ron Cooper
wowsa! that's the first double spyder i've ever seen!
May 6, 2012
Frank yanez
Yes it is a black handled millitary thanks
May 6, 2012
Frank yanez
ho doI regester on the spyderco forums thay want me to put an address # but I tried diffrent waysto put it in but it shows up as wrong.Help!!!
May 6, 2012
Frank yanez
It didnt come with a box I got it on ebay
May 6, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
I'm proud that I can share with you all another sprint run spyderco.
Lum Tanto
May 6, 2012
Frank yanez
It was used.There are no notches on the spine I paid one twenty with shiping
May 10, 2012
Frank yanez
Thank you I was more curious as to the rarity of two spiders.Thank you for the info about seconds and spyderco you have helped me alot thanks again.:)
May 10, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
I'm proud that I can share with you all a special collection of spyderco sprint run custom modified knives.
May 10, 2012
Billy Oneale
May 10, 2012
björn thompson
looks really cool, very nice
May 11, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Thank you Bjorn and Billy I wanted a white collection for a long time this was fate when I have found them.
May 11, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
I'm proud to anound that I have bought me a Military to by specific
A custom concrete gray g-10 and RLTW insignia scales
To save you time it means Rangers Lead the Way
I'm proud to pick up this knife from my friend to help him out a little bit.
May 12, 2012
stephen tungate
this is my newer delaca 4 it is a good edc..
May 16, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
Here is my recent acquisition.
3 Dragonfly's
May 20, 2012
Billy Oneale
May 20, 2012
Ron Cooper
I added an Orange Para 2 to my growing family of Spyderco knives...
Jul 26, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
nice Ron !
Jul 27, 2012
Ron Cooper
I put some Big Boy pants on my new Orange Para 2. I think he looks pretty spiffy now...
These Para 2's are the crack cocaine of knives, IMO!
Jul 28, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
Here is my recent acquisition.
The awesome Caly 3.5
Aug 11, 2012
Clint Thompson
Very nice Patrik.
Aug 11, 2012
Ron Cooper
Nice lookin' knife, Patrik!
Aug 11, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
Who wants to share their spyderco collection ?
I do here are some pictures taken this Saturday.
My China made products.
I did forgot the little custom spyderco Ladybug.
Aug 14, 2012
Ron Cooper
Wow! Nice looking collection, Patrik! My Spyderco collections certainly pales in comparison. All 5 of mine--3 Para 2's and 2 Millies--are already posted earlier in this thread. After looking at the pics of all yours I think I have Spydie envy now!
Good show, mate!
Aug 15, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Thank you Ron I do appreciate your words. I still consider my collection to be small. I bought my first spyderco 6 years ago. Got really into them just 3 years ago and as you can see I love them.
Aug 15, 2012
Ron Cooper
Patrik, I only recently was bitten by the Spyder, myself. In fact, I got my first Spyderco Para 2 in May of last year. I have since acquired 2 more Paramilitary 2's and 2 full Millie's. I think the thing I like the most about Spydies is that they come in some many flavors -- Different steel, different locking variants, and so many handle options and materials. I am currently contemplating the purchase of a Gayle Bradley. Which, by all accounts, seems to be quite a popular knife. You probably have the same problem I have with Spyderco's, in that I rarely get to handle them before buying one. I'm not completely convinced that I will like the liner lock on the GB since some owners claim that it is not like the liner lock on, say, the Military, for instance. It's supposed to be a little hard to get to? Also, there is another Sprint run Para 2 that I really want -- the green one that is suppose to be out sometime this month.
In any event, they sure are nice knives --all of 'em--and I am anxious to get my paws on more of them!
Thanks, again, for sharing your collection -- it's awesome!
Aug 16, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Ron I completely agree with you and I can say just go for it the GB is a perfect knife you will be not disjointed I can tell you that it is also on my wish list some say that the knife is one f the best production knives that spyderco makes. I'm currently selling my sebenza 21 large because I do want a Mictotech select-fire and some other knives but I will buy also more spyderco's.
Aug 16, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Spydie Friends!!
I got me a Spyderco GrassHopper SS from my friend at the local gunstore.
This is a nice smaller blade but in many applications you don't need more.
Aug 19, 2012
Ron Cooper
That GrassHopper is a really nice little knife, Patrik! It will do just about anything you need a knife to do, and it's legal just about anywhere. Perfect!
Aug 19, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
That is right Ron thank you for the comment. Now I need just he honeybee and kiwi.
Aug 19, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hi Steve the Tuff is hell of a robust tank you can do with it what you want and it will not fail look here my friend Carter did a nice vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOWSiyrEg3w&feature=plcp
Aug 31, 2012
Ron Cooper
Thanks, Steve!
This is another interesting offering from Ed Schempp! CPM 3V steel is definitely not an ordinary run-of-the-mill steel that you might expect to find in a folding knife. But this is not a run-of-the-mill knife, that's for sure! There are a number of unusual aspects to this knife, not the less of which is the blade's steel.
For starters, you need look no further than this knife's geometry to appreciate its difference. Then, the coupling of the titanium and G10 scales to form the highly dimpled handle on this baby.
I see where it offers the same beefed up Reeve Integral Lock (R.I.L.) as my titanium Spyderco Military.
On its surface it looks like it might go a long way toward living up to its name of "Tuff." However, I really doubt that I'll be adding one anytime soon to my Spyderco arsenal?
I say that for a couple of reasons. For one thing, I would expect a knife that's built this tough to have a longer cutting edge than a mere 3 inches. That's less than what I have on one of my Para 2's. It seems like there's a whole lot of steel there with very little designed to do any actual cutting?
Another reason is purely aesthetic. I don't care for the look of all those dimples. I know they're there to cut down on the weight of the knife and perhaps give you a little more grip. But, I think they look atrocious!
And, then, last but not least. I think that, for my purposes, CPM 3V might be a little better suited for a fixed blade knife than a folder? I just don't tend to spine whack or abuse my folding knives to a point where I'd need the chip resistant characteristics of 3V steel.
From my perspective this knife just seems like overkill on many levels. At least in regard to what I expect from a folding knife. "Folding" being the operative word in that sentence.
I would love to hear what others think of this knife. Especially from someone who actually owns one.
Aug 31, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
I can try but Carter is not a great fan of forums If you know what I mean by that.
Aug 31, 2012
Clint Thompson
Steve...
Spyderco knives...not the Byrd line...makes good quality knives. The higher priced knives are normally made in the USA or Japan by the finest of craftsman. So if the price is high is because it cost more to make. As we all know....if you want quality you pay for quality. A problem with Spyderco is when they come out with a knife like this and you think about purchasing one and then start a side fund to go forth with the purchase...and then go to buy this knife....they no longer make one. If you go to their web site in their catalog on page 6 the "Discontinued" knives start and go through page 14. The Spyderco Lum Tanto #FB03 is a prime example. This knife is one good DCC (Direct Contact Combat) knife and in my professional opinion the best Spyderco ever made. If an up and coming knife manufacture such as TOPS would produce this knife it would be a big seller. So the only complaint I have with Spyderco is dropping a good design and coming up with some off the wall projects...which there are many.
Aug 31, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hm nice point Clint I own one lum tanto and yes it is one of a kind outstanding knife don't be disappointed for near twice the price you can buy the benchmade version
BENCHMADE KNIFE 760BK LFTi CPM-M4 NEW
Aug 31, 2012
Clint Thompson
Patrik...
Yes I am familiar with the Benchmade 760 but I am not a fan of tanto blade for a pocket knife unless the blade is 4.5 inches or longer. The tanto design was made for causing large slashing wounds. Yes you can stab as well but you can stab with a slotted screwdriver too but the screwdriver was not made with this task in mind. The tanto is good in a combat knife but not superior to the drop point, spear point, clippoint etc. in a working folding pocket knife. Food for thought.
Aug 31, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
As sad it is nothing last forever (only the human stupidity) you all know if you want a particular knife there are second market option like ebay or forums where you can buy them not always cheap but if you really want it the price is on the second place anyway.
Aug 31, 2012
Clint Thompson
Keijo....
I here what your saying. The reason the Lum Tanto didn't sell in my opinion was at the time it was too expensive. It came with a very nicely made leather sheath but was not suited for military or law enforcement (LEO) use and in brown...not as good as black. The knife was not marketed well wherein its probable target market...like the military and LEO were either overlooked or just not pursued in the right way.
I appreciate the info on the new folder FB3 Lum Tanto sprint. Being a professional writer for the last 11 years and have written and sung the praise of the Spyderco brand and even toured their factory in Golden, Colorado and personally met their marketing people.....I had no idea this knife was even in the works. Case proven on the marketing. I just don't have the time to keep up with the new knives coming out from over 25 different companies. Many contact me to let me know of their new products. Out of 10 of these notifications I may select one to write about as I have a limited number of article each year.
I personally own several spyderco knives and just love the quality. You can't beat them.
Keijo thank you for the information and presenting a defensible side for Spyderco. I know Joyce and Mike would appreciate it.
Aug 31, 2012
Clint Thompson
Patrik....
Yes I looked the FB3 Lum Tanto up on ebay and there was one at "buy it now" for $399.00. This is way out there on price. At most it should be no more than $200. I like Spyderco but not that much. LOL! Thanks Patrik.
Aug 31, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
Hey Clint if you want one let me know I will send you a PM if I find one for you on the forums Or I give you a link yo my fellow you-tuber who has one and thinks about to sell it. Just let me know and I will do my best to help you out :)
And to all of you if somebody want a sprint run matriarch serrated version here is the link for nice priced one I did pay for mine 145$
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spyderco-C12BN-Sprint-Run-Matriarch-Flat-Gr...
Aug 31, 2012
Patrik Ilijev
And Clink here is the article about that new sprint run Keijo did write about.
I must tell you all I'm subscribed tho that page but I did not know about this model that is very odd
http://spydercollector.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/spyderco-2012-proto...
Aug 31, 2012
Clint Thompson
Patrik I am open to any good deals on the old Spydy.
Aug 31, 2012