I was customizing a bunch of Case XX knives, Kershaw, and others. now I am more into the buck 110 knives because I have more freedom to create. There is more room in the handle area. I am working on a watch parts buck 110 now that is turning out really really nice! I am going to do a few of these steampunk buck 110 knives each time getting more complex.
Wait till you see the matching engraving with black in the bolsters!! Its going to rock.. But if you want an even nicer one just wait for a week or 2.. I am waiting on some more parts and I will get more advanced with it.. I think this one will be a good one to carry.. I am having a matching sheath made for it also.
you have a really good idea.. take a great knife, and add alot of cool little eye candy, a piece of art you wont want to put down.. lol would be real neat if you could find a tiny working watch face.. ;) too cool ! have fun , and love what youve done here..
Yes that was another Idea I had but I wanted to do a self winding watch. I think this can be done but because of the complexity of needing the winder sticking out of the side it would drive up the cost. If I could only just embed the entire knife including the winder. I am asking around on ebay to find one thats the size of a nickle. Going to put watch faces into the mix with gears also. I wonder if that self winding watch idea would work..
good possibility. dont know if you could find one small enough, the winder may not be too bad of an idea though, if it stuck out on the edge {top}where you could groove the resin. because, unless it were digital, which might not quite go with the steampunk design, you would need to adjust time at some point, unless kinetic, which could get into higher price, or harder to find.. just thinking.. i will keep my eyes open and let you know if i see anything interesting. gotta run at the moment..nice looking knife btw.. holler at you later ! :)
I recently bought a Buck 110 50th anniversary , the one with the knife on the handle, and I paid 27.99 at Academy Sports. I saw one on Ebay that someone was trying to sell at a price of 59.99. I cannot believe people are trying to mark up a knife that much. If someone does not check, they will way overpay for knives on Ebay.
To tell you the truth. The retail msrp price on the buck 110 is. $73. That is how much it's worth and I belong to wholesale distributors that sell them for $35 wholesale! So in reality sometimes you find a large company who buys so many of the knives directly from buck so they get a much better price. $27.99 is way below wholesale price on this knife. Most online sellers can't get them cheaper than $35
Well, Buck DEALERS are NOT supposed to sell or have an advertised price for the 110 for less than $39.99. This is to insure a more consistent and even price range for the 110. Smoky Mountain Knife Works sells the basic 110 for $39.99. Same with KnifeCenter.com.
I'm not sure Steve. It would be a great mystery to uncover. I have seen the 110 at stores going for less, and was tempted to tell them they're not supposed to have it at that price, but held my tongue as I wasn't really sure I know what I'm talking about.
i accidently deleted my comment, trying to edit it.. oops. manufactuers [when i worked for a distributer) would give territorial restrictions as far as who they would sell to , given that you met quantity restrictions. there used to be what was called price fixing, {setting a given price, then demanding that price be held) that was a no-no. so.. they would find ways to try and force you to fix that price .. within the law.. it really does work for the better, that is, everyone involved trying to make an honest dollar.they could not do anything about someone buying from a distributer, then low-balling the price, except, find who they were buying from, and cutting them off.. i dont know the laws, just talking from past experience.
the problem was, you have a big company buying thier quantity, and then some guy, with a mom and pop store coming along and selling the product for less, it leaves a bad taste in the big guys mouth. so, a set price is better for everyone, but, if the little guy cant sell a product, because the big guy has a lower price, he goes out of buisness. a viscious circle. lol
There is what they call MAAP pricing. It's a price dealers can't sell below. Most companies have it and if someone complains they call the distributor and will cut off the offending dealer. I will have to look and see if Buck has it.
Yes maap is a great idea , and I agree with it. And I resent the comment made by Jeff , mom and pop stores, like mine we do not
Dump product at cost, I a shear to company (mfg) policy and pricing. It is the few selling from their garage or home that find themselves scared of losing and dump these items for nothing.
Then it forces business owners such as myself to compete with them.
We have to make money to stay in business. When you buy from a reputable dealer he is there standing by his word and his product, but from joe blow selling out of his garage or house and see if he cares weather or not you get the right knife or are even happy with it. I care that's what I sell , my word and my promise.
Long live mom and pop!
if you read my comment, it wasnt talking bad about the mom and pop stores, i was just saying that IF a small store advertised a low- ball price.. it made the guys who were buying the large quantities, and selling for a certain price, mad. read ... before you resent !
First, I think MAAP is ”Minimum Allowable Advertised Price” as set forth in the manufacturer's MAPP “Manufacturer's Advertised Price Policy”.
Here is a paragraph explaining what the MAPP is:
Some manufacturers place into effect "Minimum Advertised Price Policies" or MAPP.
The purpose of this policy is to promote and protect their brand image.
MAPP Policies prevent retailers from advertising below the MAPP Price.
This does not, however, prevent the retailer from selling the product for less.
Regardless of what the business books may say there are only three reasons for a company to be in business 1. profit, 2. profit, and 3. profit. Now before someone comments that profit is a dirty word; no company can stay in business without making a profit.
The big difference between Terry's business and someone selling knives out of their garage it a thing called “overhead” and no that's not the ceiling. It includes lease/rent, some utilities, business licenses, special assessments, liability insurance, fire/loss insurance – well I think you get the idea, these are known as fixed costs. He pays these amounts whether he makes a sale or stays home in bed. I sell on ebay, (I don't really) what is my overhead? Zeeroo.
The cash flow/profit and loss model is; revenue - cost of operations = profit
Staying with Buck 110 knives at $36
and using a cost of operations of $1000
we see that Terry needs to sell 28 Buck 110s to finally make a profit of $8
My cost of operations is limited to my variable costs i.e. whatever the credit card company or Paypal takes, so my profit begins on the first knife I sell.
Sad, but true. And I didn't even address variable costs such as replenishing inventory, wages, payroll taxes, and workers comp.
After more than 12 years of running my own company, I am now unemployed. The owner of my leased building sold the property and I wasn't able to find a kitchen to move into, so I closed the doors. It is difficult not having somewhere to go when you get up in the morning, but it was even harder saying goodbye to my employees.
To anyone following this thread. If you think you want to become an independent business owner, send me a private message and we can talk about it. I won't attempt to discourage you, but I will provide you with my knowledge and experience. No cost.
Jim, I am very sorry to hear that. Business owner is not all it is cracked up to be. Profit is not a dirty word. It is the reason we all get up and go to work, even the business owner. The business owner doesn't leave it at the office or go on vacation without worry.
They have to be aware of what their competitors are doing and MAAP is supposed to help with that. In some cases it does
I don't want to jump in the middle of a mom & pop (love ya Terry) vs. online stores, garage sellers, etc.However, after 40+ yrs. in retail mgmt. and buying experience I can offer some scenarios- A)Retailer offers a an item at or below cost ( Buck 110 or a gallon of milk) where the retail is widely known and might convince a consumer that their other prices must also be low- B) A large retailer gets a huge price reduction because the manufacturer or wholesaler is behind on quota and is trying to get his superiors off his back- The retailer can either enjoy the extra profit or pass the savings on to the consumer for the above reasons C) - Backroom deals happen in the retail world with major retailers- IE- A mfg. in California ships trailerloads of product across the country to support a major retailer's ad- For various reasons, it arrives too late and retailer refuses order-Mfg. can either ship it back home and out again at triple shipping costs, or unload it to another area retailer at a drastically reduced cost-Retailer B then has the option of either enjoying the extra profit or driving his competition crazy with a price they can't match- I have even had Coleman coolers sent to me at .01 cost per unit to atone for a past mistake. The coolers normally retailed for $29.99- I sold them for $19.99 which pleased my customers and succeeded in driving my local competitors nuts- Cutthroat tactics aren't always pretty, but they are an ingrained part of the business world- Same scenario, with me on the short end of the stick has also happened many times-
Correct Steve-Just saying that although MAAP should apply, retailers, even SMKW, can afford to break even on or lose money on a well known product to drive sales on their other products to drive the perception that their other products. which are quite profitable, must also be bargains--I have worked for several MAJOR retailers over the years and also know what my MAJOR competitors were paying for their product-This may not be fair, but it is the REAL world of business- Corporate giants like Walmart used to sell baby formula for a fraction of what it cost and I was a direct competitor with the same source for product- Fair- hardly, dirty pool- maybe, good business practice for Walmart- definitely-Small mom and pop pharmacies could not hope to compete, and tough for even a major retailer to withstand the blow-Walmart's strategy- Mom's need formula, which we lose money on, but we make it all back when they buy diapers, baby food, groceries.etc
Just to clarify- Walmart sold baby formula for $5 a case less than it cost them- Major competitior who sells a 100 cases a day, takes a $500 loss per day- Mom & pop stores, even if they only sold 10 cases a day, take a $50 loss which they can't afford, or sell it for a normal retail and have it sit on the shelves and expire and have to throw it away--The games retailers play ~~~~
lead in item is what we called them... every manufacturer that deals direct with the superstores have them.. ive seen televisions sold 100 below cost !
I just posted this a few other places. I am giving away free memberships to the Buck 110 Club. Click here to read about it and to join for free!Tell all your friends and I hope this takes off! I have a lot to offer to everyone who likes the buck 110 and other pocket knives. P.S Buck110.com is under construction so please ignore any errors.
Greetings! Buck 110 aficionado here, for approaching 4 decades, It has for years been my favorite knife, and I happen to own several, as you can see via this photo
Garett Finney
I was customizing a bunch of Case XX knives, Kershaw, and others. now I am more into the buck 110 knives because I have more freedom to create. There is more room in the handle area. I am working on a watch parts buck 110 now that is turning out really really nice! I am going to do a few of these steampunk buck 110 knives each time getting more complex.
Jul 7, 2014
jeff
that sounds really cool.. woulkd love to see your progess, and progression if you find the time.
Jul 7, 2014
Garett Finney
This is the first one.. not finished but looking pretty decent so far!
Jul 7, 2014
jeff
oh boy ! tooo cool ! have you plenty of watch parts ? i might have some if you find yourself needing some. i will look in my big pile of parts. :)
Jul 7, 2014
Garett Finney
Wait till you see the matching engraving with black in the bolsters!! Its going to rock.. But if you want an even nicer one just wait for a week or 2.. I am waiting on some more parts and I will get more advanced with it.. I think this one will be a good one to carry.. I am having a matching sheath made for it also.
Jul 7, 2014
jeff
you have a really good idea.. take a great knife, and add alot of cool little eye candy, a piece of art you wont want to put down.. lol would be real neat if you could find a tiny working watch face.. ;) too cool ! have fun , and love what youve done here..
Jul 7, 2014
Garett Finney
Yes that was another Idea I had but I wanted to do a self winding watch. I think this can be done but because of the complexity of needing the winder sticking out of the side it would drive up the cost. If I could only just embed the entire knife including the winder. I am asking around on ebay to find one thats the size of a nickle. Going to put watch faces into the mix with gears also. I wonder if that self winding watch idea would work..
Jul 7, 2014
jeff
good possibility. dont know if you could find one small enough, the winder may not be too bad of an idea though, if it stuck out on the edge {top}where you could groove the resin. because, unless it were digital, which might not quite go with the steampunk design, you would need to adjust time at some point, unless kinetic, which could get into higher price, or harder to find.. just thinking.. i will keep my eyes open and let you know if i see anything interesting. gotta run at the moment..nice looking knife btw.. holler at you later ! :)
Jul 7, 2014
Garett Finney
I think its certainly worth a try. It's up there on my list of things to do.
Jul 7, 2014
Garett Finney
If the resin doesn't interfere with the mechanics and I can work around the winder then it should be doable.. Definitely going to try it.
Jul 7, 2014
Ms Data
That's an awesome looking knife Garett!
Jul 7, 2014
Garett Finney
Thanks Data. Wait till I finish it :)
Jul 7, 2014
Ricky L McConnell
I recently bought a Buck 110 50th anniversary , the one with the knife on the handle, and I paid 27.99 at Academy Sports. I saw one on Ebay that someone was trying to sell at a price of 59.99. I cannot believe people are trying to mark up a knife that much. If someone does not check, they will way overpay for knives on Ebay.
Jul 10, 2014
Jan Carter
Funny that people dont check before buying on Ebay, if they can get it at a better price elsewhere
Jul 10, 2014
Garett Finney
Jul 10, 2014
jeff
ive seen the 110 with plastic handles for $28 but with wood handle, usually around $34
Jul 10, 2014
Ricky L McConnell
Go for it Steve, Academy here has them at the 28 dollar price, and Dicks Sporting goods usually sells them for around 29 dollars.
Jul 10, 2014
Sunil Ram
Well, Buck DEALERS are NOT supposed to sell or have an advertised price for the 110 for less than $39.99. This is to insure a more consistent and even price range for the 110. Smoky Mountain Knife Works sells the basic 110 for $39.99. Same with KnifeCenter.com.
Jul 10, 2014
Sunil Ram
I'm not sure Steve. It would be a great mystery to uncover. I have seen the 110 at stores going for less, and was tempted to tell them they're not supposed to have it at that price, but held my tongue as I wasn't really sure I know what I'm talking about.
Jul 11, 2014
Garett Finney
Jul 11, 2014
jeff
smkw has the 110 for 36.00 this week
Jul 11, 2014
jeff
i accidently deleted my comment, trying to edit it.. oops. manufactuers [when i worked for a distributer) would give territorial restrictions as far as who they would sell to , given that you met quantity restrictions. there used to be what was called price fixing, {setting a given price, then demanding that price be held) that was a no-no. so.. they would find ways to try and force you to fix that price .. within the law.. it really does work for the better, that is, everyone involved trying to make an honest dollar.they could not do anything about someone buying from a distributer, then low-balling the price, except, find who they were buying from, and cutting them off.. i dont know the laws, just talking from past experience.
Jul 11, 2014
jeff
the problem was, you have a big company buying thier quantity, and then some guy, with a mom and pop store coming along and selling the product for less, it leaves a bad taste in the big guys mouth. so, a set price is better for everyone, but, if the little guy cant sell a product, because the big guy has a lower price, he goes out of buisness. a viscious circle. lol
Jul 11, 2014
Garett Finney
Jul 13, 2014
In Memoriam
Terry Ray
Dump product at cost, I a shear to company (mfg) policy and pricing. It is the few selling from their garage or home that find themselves scared of losing and dump these items for nothing.
Then it forces business owners such as myself to compete with them.
We have to make money to stay in business. When you buy from a reputable dealer he is there standing by his word and his product, but from joe blow selling out of his garage or house and see if he cares weather or not you get the right knife or are even happy with it. I care that's what I sell , my word and my promise.
Long live mom and pop!
Jul 13, 2014
In Memoriam
Terry Ray
Cheaper than from buck knives ... Ain't I glad ima buck dealer...
Jul 13, 2014
jeff
Jul 13, 2014
In Memoriam
Terry Ray
Jul 13, 2014
James Cole
First, I think MAAP is ”Minimum Allowable Advertised Price” as set forth in the manufacturer's MAPP “Manufacturer's Advertised Price Policy”.
Here is a paragraph explaining what the MAPP is:
Some manufacturers place into effect "Minimum Advertised Price Policies" or MAPP.
The purpose of this policy is to promote and protect their brand image.
MAPP Policies prevent retailers from advertising below the MAPP Price.
This does not, however, prevent the retailer from selling the product for less.
Regardless of what the business books may say there are only three reasons for a company to be in business 1. profit, 2. profit, and 3. profit. Now before someone comments that profit is a dirty word; no company can stay in business without making a profit.
The big difference between Terry's business and someone selling knives out of their garage it a thing called “overhead” and no that's not the ceiling. It includes lease/rent, some utilities, business licenses, special assessments, liability insurance, fire/loss insurance – well I think you get the idea, these are known as fixed costs. He pays these amounts whether he makes a sale or stays home in bed. I sell on ebay, (I don't really) what is my overhead? Zeeroo.
The cash flow/profit and loss model is; revenue - cost of operations = profit
Staying with Buck 110 knives at $36
and using a cost of operations of $1000
we see that Terry needs to sell 28 Buck 110s to finally make a profit of $8
My cost of operations is limited to my variable costs i.e. whatever the credit card company or Paypal takes, so my profit begins on the first knife I sell.
Jul 13, 2014
James Cole
Steve,
Sad, but true. And I didn't even address variable costs such as replenishing inventory, wages, payroll taxes, and workers comp.
After more than 12 years of running my own company, I am now unemployed. The owner of my leased building sold the property and I wasn't able to find a kitchen to move into, so I closed the doors. It is difficult not having somewhere to go when you get up in the morning, but it was even harder saying goodbye to my employees.
Jim
Jul 13, 2014
James Cole
Thanks Steve.
To anyone following this thread. If you think you want to become an independent business owner, send me a private message and we can talk about it. I won't attempt to discourage you, but I will provide you with my knowledge and experience. No cost.
Jim
Jul 13, 2014
Jan Carter
Jim, I am very sorry to hear that. Business owner is not all it is cracked up to be. Profit is not a dirty word. It is the reason we all get up and go to work, even the business owner. The business owner doesn't leave it at the office or go on vacation without worry.
They have to be aware of what their competitors are doing and MAAP is supposed to help with that. In some cases it does
Jul 13, 2014
James Cole
Jan, Everything you said is true. Whether a janitor or a CEO we all sell our services in the job market for a profit.
Jim
Jul 13, 2014
In Memoriam
John McCain
I don't want to jump in the middle of a mom & pop (love ya Terry) vs. online stores, garage sellers, etc.However, after 40+ yrs. in retail mgmt. and buying experience I can offer some scenarios- A)Retailer offers a an item at or below cost ( Buck 110 or a gallon of milk) where the retail is widely known and might convince a consumer that their other prices must also be low- B) A large retailer gets a huge price reduction because the manufacturer or wholesaler is behind on quota and is trying to get his superiors off his back- The retailer can either enjoy the extra profit or pass the savings on to the consumer for the above reasons C) - Backroom deals happen in the retail world with major retailers- IE- A mfg. in California ships trailerloads of product across the country to support a major retailer's ad- For various reasons, it arrives too late and retailer refuses order-Mfg. can either ship it back home and out again at triple shipping costs, or unload it to another area retailer at a drastically reduced cost-Retailer B then has the option of either enjoying the extra profit or driving his competition crazy with a price they can't match- I have even had Coleman coolers sent to me at .01 cost per unit to atone for a past mistake. The coolers normally retailed for $29.99- I sold them for $19.99 which pleased my customers and succeeded in driving my local competitors nuts- Cutthroat tactics aren't always pretty, but they are an ingrained part of the business world- Same scenario, with me on the short end of the stick has also happened many times-
Jul 14, 2014
In Memoriam
John McCain
Correct Steve-Just saying that although MAAP should apply, retailers, even SMKW, can afford to break even on or lose money on a well known product to drive sales on their other products to drive the perception that their other products. which are quite profitable, must also be bargains--I have worked for several MAJOR retailers over the years and also know what my MAJOR competitors were paying for their product-This may not be fair, but it is the REAL world of business- Corporate giants like Walmart used to sell baby formula for a fraction of what it cost and I was a direct competitor with the same source for product- Fair- hardly, dirty pool- maybe, good business practice for Walmart- definitely-Small mom and pop pharmacies could not hope to compete, and tough for even a major retailer to withstand the blow-Walmart's strategy- Mom's need formula, which we lose money on, but we make it all back when they buy diapers, baby food, groceries.etc
Jul 14, 2014
In Memoriam
John McCain
Just to clarify- Walmart sold baby formula for $5 a case less than it cost them- Major competitior who sells a 100 cases a day, takes a $500 loss per day- Mom & pop stores, even if they only sold 10 cases a day, take a $50 loss which they can't afford, or sell it for a normal retail and have it sit on the shelves and expire and have to throw it away--The games retailers play ~~~~
Jul 14, 2014
jeff
lead in item is what we called them... every manufacturer that deals direct with the superstores have them.. ive seen televisions sold 100 below cost !
Jul 15, 2014
Ricky L McConnell
Has anyone bought the socks you can get from SMKW to keep the 110 in ? They come in different sizes.
http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/products/Sack+Ups/Sack+Ups%C2%...
Jul 30, 2014
Garett Finney
I just posted this a few other places. I am giving away free memberships to the Buck 110 Club. Click here to read about it and to join for free!Tell all your friends and I hope this takes off! I have a lot to offer to everyone who likes the buck 110 and other pocket knives. P.S Buck110.com is under construction so please ignore any errors.
Jul 31, 2014
David L. Packham
Greetings! Buck 110 aficionado here, for approaching 4 decades, It has for years been my favorite knife, and I happen to own several, as you can see via this photo
Dave
Dec 1, 2014
Colin MacRury
Hi All,
Been carrying a 110 since early 80's and wouldn't be without it.
Nice to be here!
Dec 3, 2014
David L. Packham
Buck 110FG, one of my EDC's
Dec 3, 2014
David L. Packham
50th Anniversary Boon & Crockett 110!
Feb 28, 2015
David L. Packham
Gary, *that* is an awesome knife!
Jun 18, 2015
Jan Carter
Have you seen this announcement?
Nov 30, 2016
Ugly Old Guy
August, 2020 Web Special. Brass, Ebony, and S30V.
Oct 11, 2020
Featured
dead_left_knife_guy
My special 110, a gift from my wife, a few years back...
Feb 27, 2021
harry e karmun
hello my friend has a couple of buck 110s . one made in 2016 the other from 1972-1986 . would anybody be interested in either knife ?
Nov 6, 2021
harry e karmun
they have obviously been used but are in usable shape .
Nov 7, 2021
harry e karmun
hello im looking for a 110 ecolite with paperstone handle . anybody have one they will sell ?
Feb 10, 2022