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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by D ale on February 4, 2011 at 11:24

Don said:

@ dale:     sharp knife???     ... ...  ... ... will it cut tissue paper?

 

NO .. not any EDC I carry .. they're sharp enough that most people end up cutting themselves .. my immediate family rarely does any more .. I point co-workers toward razor knives before I'll let them cut themselves with my EDC .. but, do I carry it such that ...  it cuts tissue paper?     NO !!!

 

Can I .. with that stone .. ??? .. well .. used too when I still activly hunted/butchered .. haven't tried to get anything that sharp in awhile Don.  

 

... and there's a bunch of romance in that stone for me, Don .. tis no lifts, tucks, or re-surfaces in her future  .. more like "out to pasture" ....

Don said: & Dale replied : "!!! .. a bunch of truth in what ya say here Don .. !!!"

... you might get a sharp knife, but at the knives expense,you sharpen with a uneven caved in stone and the blade takes the shape of the stone, loosing the evenness and bevel in the process.

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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by D ale on February 5, 2011 at 8:34

 

@ Don .. thanks for getting us back on topic ..  we’d digressed a bit ..

 

Hog originally asked ..

 

"Our money is limited, so what do we invest in?"

 

I stand by my earlier stmt  …

 

!!! .. find your passion .. follow that .. you'll be happy.. !!!

Don said:

good, just enough to open the paycheck envelope....

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Permalink Reply by James "Clifford" Townsend on February 5, 2011 at 20:51

Yeah i think overall you probably made the best point Scott.  My input is on the end of I buy the knives that purely catch my attention...i have some for use and some for show.  I doubt much of any of mine will ever be worth something, some arent even worth much now.  But I respect the guys who buy them for their value and their age...i wish i had the real money to afford buying ones that are dated as well.  So for now I buy cheaper but decent knives and just make sure i love what i have...just thankful i can have what i have...

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Permalink Reply by Halicon on February 6, 2011 at 13:12

Imported crafts, easily.

 

It's rather easy if you really learn about the subject, takes a few years to learn how to distinguish the fakes though.

 

There's basically only one way to really earn a big buck on customs, to own a whole collection of a maker who "makes" it. Easier said that done though.

 

But as I first said. The big bucks easily lie in imported crafts, without a doubt in my mind. Don, you know what I "collect".

 

For example, recently my favorite plane blade maker is about to retire. After his notice to the public the value of all my tools from him tripled, now they are closing in on being 8-10 times what they cost me first (not kidding you). After he passes it will go up even more.

 

It's horrible but that's the way I have to act in order to get what I want. There are only so many smiths on the planet that can produce the quality I want on my woodworking tools.

 

To the Americans. I'm terribly sorry but America simply has too little history for the crafts you have from before to be valuable (talking about old production knives here).

 

edit: Regarding Dales state of his stones. Any abrasive in any form will take away steel, because it is harder than steel. That still doesn't mean that you are establishing a positive edge on it.

 

I sharpen professionally and several hours each day and I resurface my stones every 5 minutes on foundation stage stone with a diamond plate every 10-15 minutes on anything else. If not, the serration pattern on the edge won't be refined, rather you are actually hurting the knife.

This is off-topic though and teaching an old dog to sit isn't something I have enough time left over for.

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Permalink Reply by Halicon on February 6, 2011 at 16:36

As it happens, I know for a fact that Don has proper tools (diamond plates) and proper stones, one of the best in the world when it comes to synthetic. I would say two other brands compete with it, I only choose the other brand because it is harder and thus more suited to cold-forged tools.

 

The molecular action of an Arkansas is that the novaculite is SO hard that it almost burnishes the steel into an edge or clam formation.

I have personally used Arkansas on my tools but they simply take too long, but the edge it gives is more than enough for the edge to grab hold of tissue paper (not talking toothy edge here but rather a thin edge).

 

I can personally tell you that even if I spent 10 more years of daily polishing I would maybe be ready to use stones without flattening them. Right now even with all my practice that option just doesn't exist. There is no way I can be accurate with my wrist and pressure down to 8 or so microns or what Arkansas is.

 

Not trying to get into an argument here but rather tell you that a concrete stepping block and a bucket of water would do wonders to that stone.

Dale said:

 

@ Don .. thanks for getting us back on topic ..  we’d digressed a bit ..

 

Hog originally asked ..

 

"Our money is limited, so what do we invest in?"

 

I stand by my earlier stmt  …

 

!!! .. find your passion .. follow that .. you'll be happy.. !!!

Don said:

good, just enough to open the paycheck envelope....

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 6, 2011 at 19:25

I think I'm with you in spirit on that one!

James "Clifford" Townsend said:

Yeah i think overall you probably made the best point Scott.  My input is on the end of I buy the knives that purely catch my attention...i have some for use and some for show.  I doubt much of any of mine will ever be worth something, some arent even worth much now.  But I respect the guys who buy them for their value and their age...i wish i had the real money to afford buying ones that are dated as well.  So for now I buy cheaper but decent knives and just make sure i love what i have...just thankful i can have what i have...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 6, 2011 at 19:26

Thanks James well said!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 6, 2011 at 19:29

Interesting point Halicon, knowledge of the market, in this case imports is key.

Halicon said:

Imported crafts, easily.

 

It's rather easy if you really learn about the subject, takes a few years to learn how to distinguish the fakes though.

 

There's basically only one way to really earn a big buck on customs, to own a whole collection of a maker who "makes" it. Easier said that done though.

 

But as I first said. The big bucks easily lie in imported crafts, without a doubt in my mind. Don, you know what I "collect".

 

For example, recently my favorite plane blade maker is about to retire. After his notice to the public the value of all my tools from him tripled, now they are closing in on being 8-10 times what they cost me first (not kidding you). After he passes it will go up even more.

 

It's horrible but that's the way I have to act in order to get what I want. There are only so many smiths on the planet that can produce the quality I want on my woodworking tools.

 

To the Americans. I'm terribly sorry but America simply has too little history for the crafts you have from before to be valuable (talking about old production knives here).

 

edit: Regarding Dales state of his stones. Any abrasive in any form will take away steel, because it is harder than steel. That still doesn't mean that you are establishing a positive edge on it.

 

I sharpen professionally and several hours each day and I resurface my stones every 5 minutes on foundation stage stone with a diamond plate every 10-15 minutes on anything else. If not, the serration pattern on the edge won't be refined, rather you are actually hurting the knife.

This is off-topic though and teaching an old dog to sit isn't something I have enough time left over for.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Thompson on February 7, 2011 at 18:46

My vote would be the green bone whittler. I think enough of us older guys have influeced enough younger ones that the tradition of the old companies products will continue to increase in value. There are also enough pattern collectors out there that sustains the market on several of the limited production knives made today. I am sure this has been a benefit to Case the last few years.

 One of the concerns that all of us that like knives need to keep in mind is that there is a lot peer pressure through media and our educational system that knives are a weapon and should be treated as such. We need to counter this at every opportunity.Trent Rock said:

SF Bowies

(Wish I could afford ONE)   ;)

 

My vote is for the classics. Schrade, Camillus, Buck, etc....

OLD ones

None of this limited run, numbered with COA  MODERN  stuff

 

I often wonder which would go up in value faster===>

A 1940's Case XX greenbone whittler

Or a 2012 Limited Edition, Numbered (W/COA) Case XX whittler

Any thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 8, 2011 at 8:30

Several good points Jim, I do hope you are right about tradition carrying over and being preserved by younger generations. Case has developed a certain loyal following that appears to be strong.

Coming soon in another Forum post we'll talk about our ability to maintain our rights to own and use a knife and how we might educate others on the importance of maintaining a fundamental right.

Jim Thompson said:

My vote would be the green bone whittler. I think enough of us older guys have influeced enough younger ones that the tradition of the old companies products will continue to increase in value. There are also enough pattern collectors out there that sustains the market on several of the limited production knives made today. I am sure this has been a benefit to Case the last few years.

 One of the concerns that all of us that like knives need to keep in mind is that there is a lot peer pressure through media and our educational system that knives are a weapon and should be treated as such. We need to counter this at every opportunity.Trent Rock said:

SF Bowies

(Wish I could afford ONE)   ;)

 

My vote is for the classics. Schrade, Camillus, Buck, etc....

OLD ones

None of this limited run, numbered with COA  MODERN  stuff

 

I often wonder which would go up in value faster===>

A 1940's Case XX greenbone whittler

Or a 2012 Limited Edition, Numbered (W/COA) Case XX whittler

Any thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Tom C on February 12, 2011 at 17:24

Collecting for value...tough. Knife collecting, especially custom, is still a very young hobby. I think the most important factor is .. will knife collecting grow as a hobby? Will more and more people get into it. The larger the field the more competition for the product and the more demand for the product. Ebay and other virtual markets made a boom in the collectibility and market for everything. Will that last or level out. Who knows...?  So in short, collect what you love without being obsessed with it's future value. You won't be disappointed in the end and may be suprised :)

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Permalink Reply by stephen tungate on March 11, 2011 at 21:00

i would have to agree with scott on buying what you can afford. but also there is many collectors and makers right here at i.k.c. i think if you look at what most people are collecting right here.most is very smart if you go by what they are collecting it is for a reason they are collecting ether because like them or later down the road they plan to sell them for profit and no body wants to lose money.so i think the answer is what you see right here...

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