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Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on June 16, 2015 at 14:00

It appears to be a large coke bottle, what would the most current model number be for them I wonder?

Permalink Reply by Dan Lago on June 16, 2015 at 16:29

Duke, You are putting up some very nice knives.  Thank you.  Gives me a chance to do some searches in our draft catalog  database.

I show the first offering of the "Jumbo One-Blade" on p. 32 of the #85 catalog, 1950:

Unsure about what is meant in 1958 - is a 38 offered on price list.

By 1959 the #38 is listed as Balloon Pattern.  (so I think an 8-9 year run for your knife, with your tang stamp putting it in the early years).

In 1991, pricelist through at least 1998, there was a "Jumbo" offered in Amber - under the  new model #83 (cute, just reversed the digits) -- for a while 83 was a hunting knife. 

In Historical Documents, under "Pictures" menu, you can search under "1996-1998" , then pick "Amber" and you will see it is a big coke bottle .  Clearly not as classy as your old one but still a big hunter - one of the few constantly offered in high carbon steel.

There are other posts on this group/site about some  other coke bottles as special editions. Early Schatt & Morgan annual repro sets had at least one very nice one, but as far as catalog, that is what I show so far.

Still, DRAFT  anyone with additional please speak up. Help to validate or correct our info.  Thanks, Dan.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Lago on June 16, 2015 at 16:30

No new - learning how to edit out an error in above...

Permalink Reply by Duke Biscotti on June 17, 2015 at 7:16

Hi Dan:

i spoke with David Clark about this knife and he pointed out to me that Queen now has some early catalogs on their website that you can download.  you are correct in that this knife was first offered in 1950.  it was still listed in their 1952 catalog but by the time their 1959 catalog was issued it was not offered.  David said that Queen has some more mid 1950's catalogs to post yet, so we'll see what year it was dropped.

in my 1959 catalog the #38 was a balloon pattern (some call it a tuxedo pattern).  Queen switched pattern numbers on several models in the 50's.  prior to the mid 50's their two blade fish knife was a pattern # 19.  some time in the mid 50's this pattern was re-numbered the 46.  also prior to Queen getting the patent for their enclosed spring mechanism they use on the barlow's and Big Queens in 1955, a model 25 was their push button (switch blade).  after 1955 the #25 pattern became their bench barlow.

i can't address the newer models, as my interest lies in the older ones.

Dan Lago said:

Duke, You are putting up some very nice knives.  Thank you.  Gives me a chance to do some searches in our draft catalog  database.

I show the first offering of the "Jumbo One-Blade" on p. 32 of the #85 catalog, 1950:

Unsure about what is meant in 1958 - is a 38 offered on price list.

By 1959 the #38 is listed as Balloon Pattern.  (so I think an 8-9 year run for your knife, with your tang stamp putting it in the early years).

In 1991, pricelist through at least 1998, there was a "Jumbo" offered in Amber - under the  new model #83 (cute, just reversed the digits) -- for a while 83 was a hunting knife. 

In Historical Documents, under "Pictures" menu, you can search under "1996-1998" , then pick "Amber" and you will see it is a big coke bottle .  Clearly not as classy as your old one but still a big hunter - one of the few constantly offered in high carbon steel.

There are other posts on this group/site about some  other coke bottles as special editions. Early Schatt & Morgan annual repro sets had at least one very nice one, but as far as catalog, that is what I show so far.

Still, DRAFT  anyone with additional please speak up. Help to validate or correct our info.  Thanks, Dan.

I

Permalink Reply by Dan Lago on June 17, 2015 at 10:30

Duke, Thanks for the note.

 Those older catalogs from David Clark and Fred Fisher's collections are what has provided the input for the database I am referring to.  Similar to the currently available "Statistical reports" based on a previous version from 1980 2013 that is also on the Historical documents section, we will (relatively soon) have copies of both the catalogs and the reports built from the database that summarize a model # across all years when that number was used in a catalog. -save checking each catalog individually and provide an overall sense of a production history for certain style knives.   Reports by model numbers show many cases where the knife in question changes  - In addition to the ones you mention,  #1, #3, and #6 have undergone similar shift.  Under new ownership, with new models coming out again, this trend is very likely to continue. (#63 a nice new example). 

Many of these catalogs and pricelists have been VERY difficult for collectors to find and expensive when you did.  Making scanned copies of these available on the Queen Historical Document website is extremely generous of David and Fred.  "Rarity" issues disappear completely, and collectors = buyers and sellers have an immediate information resource to verify claims.  Both David Clark and Fred Fisher are demonstrating conclusively that sharing information is more important to them than making a buck. All our thanks to those two. They are true experts, but I have been pleased to do the office work in this project, assembling the database as a "catalog summary" piggy-backing on their archives and knowledge. This is a great way to learn a  lot. .

I am pleased that our initial exchanges have confirmed much of what your independent searches have concluded. Keep them coming - every search increases our confidence that the database accurately reflects what is in the catalogs.  In our draft form, from 1947-2013, we now have 7,259 cutlery products referenced and over half of them are from before 1979. - back to the first Queen catalogs currently known.

Thanks again,

Dan   .     

Permalink Reply by Duke Biscotti on June 17, 2015 at 15:51

Thanks Dan for this information and i look forward to seeing more catalogs on line.

Duke Biscotti

Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on June 17, 2015 at 20:25

Dan,

We appreciate all that the three of you do and the information you have all shared. This is a very large project to put this information into a database and make it available!

Permalink Reply by Duke Biscotti on June 18, 2015 at 6:28

HI:

Here is a #49 stockman. It has both a blade etching and a tang stamp of "Q steel" so would place it at 1958-1960, i believe.  This knife has winter bottom bone scales and is 4 1/4" long with all blades closed.  This pattern number is not in the 1952 catalog but is in the 1959 catalog, so production began on this pattern sometime between those two years. 

Duke Biscotti

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Permalink Reply by Dan Lago on June 25, 2015 at 7:09

Duke,

Sorry for the delay -traveling. I show the #49 in the June 1953 price list as the "Horseman."  In production right up to the current time - it has been in all price lists.  Sometimes as "Texas Cattle Knife" "Cattle Knife" or "Horseman" - which has a hoof pick  as one of the three blades. Beginning in 2002 Queen has offered this knife in all its various stock handle materials and has made-up Horseman variations more frequently.

Thanks,

Dan

Permalink Reply by Duke Biscotti on June 25, 2015 at 8:06

Thanks Dan.

Dan Lago said:

Duke,

Sorry for the delay -traveling. I show the #49 in the June 1953 price list as the "Horseman."  In production right up to the current time - it has been in all price lists.  Sometimes as "Texas Cattle Knife" "Cattle Knife" or "Horseman" - which has a hoof pick  as one of the three blades. Beginning in 2002 Queen has offered this knife in all its various stock handle materials and has made-up Horseman variations more frequently.

Thanks,

Dan