Knife Repair, Modification, Restoration & Improvement

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  • Larry Slate

    Hi, Terry.

    Blade peek is when the tip of the blade doesn't sit beneath the liner when it is closed, like it is "peeking".  In other words, it doesn't close all the way before the lock engages.

  • Daniel Howland

    Thanks Dale !

    Great info here as always!

    I never knew about Mikov..  Now I want to make one. I went to Mikovknives.com and the ordering process seems complicated, I think I will just try to make one from scratch unless there is an easier way to get a similar kit from someone else??  

    Best to all!

     

    Dan


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    D ale

    @ Dan .. great to see you're still around .. I've been threatening to get one myself .. finally found a stateside source for the kits .. check here .

     

    Note: I've not done business w/ them .. yet.

  • Terry Waldele

    Larry, thanks for the explanation of blade peek.  I've passed up some great old knives because they had that problem.

  • Daniel Howland

    Thanks again Dale!

    I just bought one $46.90 includes shipping.

    Yeah I am still around, god willing!  I have been real busy with work. I need more play time. :)

    Thanks for the kit source!!

    Dan,

     


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    D ale

    @ Dan .. let me know how the order/delivery/prod received process goes .. as I'm ready to order one myself.

     

    I was also put off  by the ordering process @ the Chech site. Believe it or don't .. he is improving .. he's got paypal now .. but just w/i the last couple months !!!

     

    @ Terry .. for a regular slipjoint .. blade peak can be rectified by removing a few thousands of matl from the blade kick. It's a different story with an automatic .. blade kick is indicative of a worn part (often the lockpin) or a mis-alignment w/i the locking system itself (the resultant geometry of pivot pin/frame/locking pin/locking pin hole in frame/locking hole or slot in blade). While the locking pins should be as hard as the tang of the blade .. otherwise the softer of the 2 matls will wear by virtue of abrasion w/ the harder matl .. the locking pins are often softer than the blade tangs .. and become worn. When the locking mechanism is located this close to the cntr of rotation .. it only takes a few thousands of wear for the blade tip to begin peeking outside the frame.

     

    With my resources .. there's not an easy fix to that one.

  • Jan Carter

    Dale and Dan...I want to order one also so let us know how this goes
  • Daniel Howland

    Microtech copied the Mikov design, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rty3CPNmrpM
  • Terry Waldele

    Dale, thanks for the tips on how to fix blade peek.  Very clear and detailed!

  • Daniel Howland

    Mikov - Update -- Received shipping confirmation today.

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    D ale

    I just ordered one .. will report back on how my order goes also.

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    D ale

    I started a "Mikov kit" discussion where we can post links/pics/results/etc.

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    D ale

    For you folks that like the "do-it-yourself" approach .. check this out !!!

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    D ale

    I've enough old Opinel's laying around .. would make a nice project .. like I need another.

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    D ale

    Picked up my son from college for turkey day this week .. just had to stop here.

    a nice selection

     

  • Daniel Howland

    DROOL !!!!!

  • Daniel Howland

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Daniel Howland

    Does anyone desire to start a Laguiole kit? This guy has been selling the kits like hot cakes on e-bay, I have seen them go for as little as 8 - 14 bucks. I will join in if anyone else wants too.

     

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370571423907...


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    D ale

    My Sweetheart got me this for valentine's day .. 

    .. I should be able to finish that Mikov kit now !!!

  • Terry Waldele

    SWEET!  That's quite a Valentine, Dale!

  • Daniel Howland

    NICE ! ,, SOMEBODY REALLY LIKES YOU!

    I anticipate seeing what you produce with this cool tool. You will need tooling, a good place to shop is :  http://www.littlemachineshop.com/

     


  • In Memoriam

    D ale

    @ Dan,

    Yeah .. I put about 70% of the mill cost into tooling .. 

    H5685 - 4" Rotary Table w/ Clamps                 

    G3658 - Titanium Drill 115 pc. Bit Set                             

    G9761 - 10 pc. 2 Flute TiN End Mill Set                         

    G9891 - 6 pc. End Mill Set - 2 Flute, Small        

    G9892 - 6 pc. End Mill Set - 4 Flute, Small                

    G9682 - Two Flute TiN Coated End Mills - 3/16" Dia.     

    G9671 - Multi Flute End Mills - 3/16" Dia.          

    H7661 - Quick Vise                                           

    H7575 - 3" Heavy-Duty Drill Press Vise   

    T10081 - 4PC PIN VISE SET                       

    T10080 - 3PC TAP WRENCH SET           

    G5747 - Steel Stamping Set - 1/16" A-Z            

    G5745 - Steel Stamping Set - 1/16" Numbered      

    H5923 - Carbide Scribe                                         

    H1413 - Cutting & Tapping Fluid 16 oz.     

    ... then I managed this for just under <$20 from Amazon ...

    I have many of the required measuring instruments from re-loading & my Engineering days. 
    This is going to be a fun project .. getting the mill set-up .. it's still sitting on my garage floor covered in varnish.

    I salvaged an old 6 drawer Oak dresser for a bench to mt the mill on. I cut the dresser down to about a 30" height .. managed to save 4 of the drawers .. dis-assembled & re-glued ALL the joints .. but, I've still a bit to do before mounting the mill on it.

    The "lilmachineshop" link is pretty cool. I found it researching the mill & have already downloaded their "mill set-up" PDF file. It's in the 3-ring binder I've started on the mill. 

    Dan .. I'm strongly considering a belt drive kit for this just right off the bat. Apparently, the fiber gears are designed as the weak-point .. failing before more expensive items.  From what I'm reading .. it's a common failure. Instead of stocking an extra set of gears .. I think I'll just get the belt drive kit & stock that as back-up. Also .. I'm open to suggestions on what I'll need for tooling. I'm just getting started & you can see what I've got @ this point .... more than I know how to use.... but, this is going to be fun .. the learning process !!!  

  • Daniel Howland

    Off the top of my head, you will need parallel sets for your vice like these: http://www.travers.com/product.asp?RequestData=CA_Search&navPat...

  • Daniel Howland

    And a "t" slot clamp kit to fit your table like this:  http://www.travers.com/skulist.asp?RequestData=CA_Search&navPat...

  • Daniel Howland

    As far as the belt kit, thats your choice, my thought is as long as you stay within the limits and capabilities of your machine, you should not dammage the gears.

  • Daniel Howland

    Here is a good place for educational videos: http://smartflix.com/store/video/91/MiniMachines-101-Mill

  • Jan Carter

    Dale,

    Your sweetheart really IS a sweetheart.  Congrats


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    D ale

    Dan .. some nice links there  ..   Thank You !!!

    The mill came w/ 2 t-slot nuts & bolts .. one of the vices comes w/ a couple .. and there are 2 more w/ the rotating table that I was hoping would be enough to get me started .. not sure they’re all 7/16 though .. but, I do know what you mean !!!

    The parallels .. they’re to get the piece your working on closer to the head .. or within the range of the head .. very precisely ... ??? correct ???. 

    Dan, my background is Engineering w/ 17 yrs of that in a steel fab environment. However, I spent more time behind a monitor designing & 3D CAD than I did hands on in the prototype shop. Twas a great experience though & will hopefully give me a leg up on this machining fun !!!

    Nice link on the videos .. Thank You !!! I've never "trammed" a mill.  I was involved in paralleling the head / bed of some old Danly presses ..  6’ * 8’ bed size .. that we ran in production. Some smaller Minster presses too. I may rent the video which covers the tramming procedure .. since it will be one of the first things I do after cleaning & initial set-up.

    I don’t need to re-invent the wheel on any of this .. i.e. it would be good to watch somebody that knows what they’re doing do it first before I get into it !!

    You have a point on the belt drive. And .. this mill is so I can make knives .. which isn’t exactly going to require hogging off a ½ inch of matl just to get a thick chunk down to wking size. I’ll certainly be cutting 0.062” brass sheet & flat stock  .. the same for some SS for liner lock mechanisms .. but nothing much thicker than 0.125”.  It should be easy enough to stay w/i the specs of the machine.  So, you’ve a valid point. I will eventually upgrade to a belt drive .. as the budget more readily accepts.

    Jan & Terry ………………. Yuppers .. I do love that girl :)


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    D ale

    Clamping kit. Oh yeah .. I forgot about those handy .. (really really handy) .. step devices. They made clamping dies down in a press real easy. They're on the wish list now !!!

  • Daniel Howland

    Dale, this should answer your question about parallels:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlLVEXXlFnY


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    D ale

    Dan, I'm having difficulty viewing the entire video .. the connection's been slow lately .. I'll just need to keep trying. I'm getting just enough to be tantalizing. I did however Google & find some text  explanations (sales lit) to refresh my memory.

    Now I remember one of the distinct advantages to having parallels above/below a die box. Among other things .. going in between the parallels made slug removal pretty easy .. w/o adding height to the die. I've also seen bolster plates that look like swiss cheese .. I don't want to do that to my table. Parallels are on the list !!!

    And one way or another .. I'll get the video downloaded. Thanks again, Dan !!!

  • Jan Carter

    So did I somehow miss the pics of the completed knives?

  • Joe Miller

    I prchase this 1850-1870 Pre Civil War  Knights Head Malitia NCO Sword from an antique dealer this week.  Should I restore this piece or leave it as is?  Looking for suggestions & comments.

  • Terry Waldele

    Just finished restoring an old, really beat up "hunting knife" called a Siberian Skinner and made by Anton Wingen, Jr. of Germany.

    I found one for sale on-line and the seller was kind enough to provide some information about the knife and its maker, and I quote:

        "Anton Wingen Jr. ceased operations and closed their doors in the early 1990's.  However, for nearly 120 years they were one of Solingen's finest makers and produced some knives of incredible quality.  In addition to their own high-quality knives, Wingen also made knives under contract for other top makers including Kershaw.  I've collected and researched Wingen knives extensively for many years and I've never seen another example of this knife.  I could also not find any examples in any old Wingen catalogs, so I really don't know how old it is other than to say that it likely pre-dates 1960 by quite a bit."

    The seller must not have looked very hard for other examples of this knife, because I found a number of them on-line.  Also, they are being reproduced today by Linder, but not in the same exact configuration.  For example, the repros have only a half guard, and it's made of nickel silver, while the repros' pommel is made of brass instead of the original aluminum.

    I found this knife in a local antique store, and it was in pretty bad shape cosmetically, but very sound structurally.  The blade was badly pitted with rust, and was heat treated so hard that I couldn't remove all the pitting even after about 6 hours of electric and hand sanding.  That's OK though, because I preserved most of the stamped labels on the blade, especially the knife's name prominently displayed on one side of the blade.  I love the lines of this knife, but can't help but wonder if calling it a "skinner" was an attempt at "political correctness", considering the length and shape of its blade, which is just under 8 inches long and too long for skinning.  I suspect this knife was actually intended to be a fighting knife, and not a skinning knife.  What do you folks think?

  • Jan Carter

    Terry,

    I think you may be correct.  I would hate to try to skin an animal with it.  You did some real fine work in bringing it back to its beauty.  Do you have any pics before you started?  Would love to see how it was

  • Terry Waldele

    Jan,

    Unfortunately, I didn't think to take a "before" photo of it.  My bad!  Thanks for the kind words.  It was really a labor of love and respect for Wingen's craftsmanship.  I didn't try to replicate the sheath that was originally provided with the knife, which is shown in the photo below, because I didn't care for its design that much.

    The lower half of the sheath is apparently some kind of animal hide, but I have no idea what kind.  (Horse hide, maybe?)  To me, this sheath is really ugly, not to mention a mystery as to how it was put together.  For those reasons, I chose to design and make my own.  I had a hard time deciding what kind of hide or fur to use, but finally settled on simulated bobcat fur (made from rabbit skin), which I coated with a leather preservative to make the fur lie down flat and shine.

  • Daniel Howland

    Terry,

    Knife and sheath look  great! Interesting curve on the blade. I can really appreciate the work that goes into making a sheath. I just finished resturation on a German throwing knife and case .  ( sorry no pictures ) Blade made with solingen steel, it was rusted and pitted, Pits are there to stay, it adds character I just buffed them to shine.

  • Joe Velazquez

    I always get the question of why do I carry a knife on me and my answer is plain and simple: It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

  • Jan Carter

    Donnie did some clean up on a couple of knives a friend found in an old garage this weekend 

  • Ron Cooper

    Those knives that Donnie cleaned up look much happier now that got themselves a little love.

    But, once again, there's that White Hunter staring me in the face. I swear, it seems like some magical force in the Universe is intentionally torturing me with all these Puma White Hunters that are popping up everywhere I turn lately.

    And, once again, they all serve to remind me of how badly I miss mine. There has to be some evil force behind this -- I'm convinced of it! lol

    Anyhoo, kudos to Donnie for breathing new life into these old knives!

    Cheers to you, also, Miss Jan!

  • J.J. Smith III

    Took an old Excel #7 Wood Carving knife and mounted it into an antler tine.
    Bucked the usual shape and carve with the tip up. Shape of this tine is super comfortable.  Handle is 5 1/8 " long.

  • Ron Cooper

    nice work, J.J. -- I'll bet that would feel real good in your hand.

    kudos, mate!

  • Jan Carter

    Excellent work JJ, I see that as being easier to use when carving than the standard exacto handle


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    D ale

    Nice job, JJ. It turned out SWEET !!!

  • Daniel Howland

    LOOKS GREAT !! J.J. Nice presentation and photo..  -= Yet another use for stag! =- I love working with the stuff. It's giving me ideas! Thanks for sharing your creation!

    Best.

  • Brad T.

    I have a Ka-Bar Stockman with "Birdseye" rivets coming via eBay. The main spring is broken, but the broken piece is coming with it. What are the possibilities of rehabbing this knife? As it stands now, I only have $9.00 invested.


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    D ale

    Brad T .. that's a hard one to fix. At the very least .. requires some resources !!!

    I've a KINFOLKS folding hunter that I purchased on the cheap because one of the backsprings was broken. I'm about to rehash that one into a single blade unit .. using existing parts. Am considering implementing the other blade in an auto application. 

    Fabricating a new backspring will (minimally) require machinist skills / mill / etc.

    TIG welding the 2 parts back together ... ???????

    You might keep an eye out for a trashed Ka-Bar Stockman i.e. blades taken to a grinder ..but.. backspring OK .. then combine the 2 into 1.

    Have you contacted Taylor Brands relative to repair / replacement parts ??? I'd be interested in hearing that story !!

  • Brad T.

    D  ale,

    Have you seen my machine shop? Machining a piece shouldn't be a problem, nor is TIG welding as I have 3 full time welders. But this is about fixing it on the cheap, after all I only have $9 invested yet.

    Ivars,

    Gluing is an option, but I like the backspring replacement better. My real issue is the replacement of the "birdseye: rivets, afterwards.


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    D ale

    Brad T  ..  I have not. Sounds like your resources are better than average. In which case .....................

    Use the two pcs to generate a pattern & machine a new backspring out of matl that can be hardened to ~ the same as the blade .. a little softer. Harden the new backspring to a little below that of the blade.

    Budget fix .. offer one of your welders a 6-pack ..or.. start looking for that trashed twin.

    A similar issue with Birdseye pins was raised by Jan .. see above and/or link.

  • John M. Myers

    Hello All!  I am new to the forum and would greatly appreciate recommendations on who does knife modifications (re-handle, jimping, file work) at reasonable prices.