Rick,

Great idea for a new collection.  I wonder how many customized bullets are out there?  Boy O Boy, I bet there are some as awesome as this one!

I posted this in the Buck group also and will be answering anything further in here

BUCK KNIVES PARTNERS WITH REMINGTON OUTDOOR COMPANY

Two iconic companies join forces in cutlery partnership

Buck Knives is pleased to announce a partnership with Remington Outdoor Company as the new official licensee of Remington cutlery. “We are excited to align ourselves with an industry icon like Buck Knives,” said Jordan Davis, VP of Marketing & Business Development of Remington.

“They have a passion for the outdoor industry and a commitment to quality products. We look forward to a great partnership with Buck Knives through the years.”

Buck Knives is no stranger to the outdoors, supplying outdoorsmen and women with sports cutlery for over 110 years. This unprecedented partnership in the cutlery industry will enable Buck Knives and Remington the opportunity to create a new line of quality, dependable products.

“Remington is a prestigious company, with a strong focus on building dependable, reliable products,” Said CJ Buck, CEO & Chairman of Buck Knives. “It is an honor to partner with another iconic company. They represent everything we believe in when it comes to a commitment to consumer value and quality products.”

About Remington Arms Company, LLC

Remington Arms Company, LLC, (“Remington”) headquartered in Madison, N.C., designs, produces and sells sporting goods for the hunting and shooting sports markets, as well as solutions to the military, government and law enforcement markets. Founded in 1816 in upstate New York, the Company is the nation's oldest continuously operating manufacturer and continues to manufacture in its original plant located in Ilion, NY. Remington is a privately-held manufacturer of firearms, silencers, and ammunition products and one of the largest domestic producers of ammunition, shotguns, and rifles. The Remington family of companies has 12 locations across 9 states employing over 3,500 people and distributes its products throughout the U.S. and in over 55 foreign countries. More information about Remington can be found at www.remington.com.

About Buck Knives

Behind every Buck knife is over 100 years of experience and craftsmanship. The very best materials and state-of-the-art technology are used to create knives that meet the exacting demands expected of a high-quality knife. Buck stands behind every knife made with their famous Forever Warranty. More information about Buck Knives can be found at www.buckknives.com

We had a couple members ask some questions about this on our FB Page.

James Liles Is the collector club going to be revived do you know?

Harvey Leathart Will they be doing the bullet knives also?

Just to keep us in the loop here also,  I have a call into the gentleman that will be handling the Remington deals to get the answers. I am sure he will be back with me soon

I did indeed have a chance to speak with Buck Knives today and I am VERY excited about their vision for this partnership.

The collectors club has not been decided at this point.  The focus has been on an independent line of knives produced by Buck for Remington and getting a catalog put together for them also.  That catalog will be available at the reveal and of course, that will be at shot show.

YES, THEY WILL BE PRODUCING THE BULLET.  There will be 2 limited productions next year.  Both will be USA made.

There will also be some bullets made offshore with Bucks same quality control they use for the small percentage of knives they continue to have made offshore for their own brand.

Watch for a new hunting line also!

This is the information we have at this time.  Buck is wisely trying not to put the cart before the horse and make consumer commitments they have not firmed up as of yet.  We do now have a contact that is directly involved in the line and willing to answer anything he can for us.  So feel free to post questions and know I will forward them to our contact.  He also has this link.

I do not want to announce who we are working with as of yet.  He has alot on his plate at this time.  I will commit to letting you know who he is when it is appropriate and he has a little room to breathe. 

Thanks for the info Jan, nice to see Buck expanding their domestic line. What happened with Remington and Bear & Sons?

I honestly do not know, I read a lot about the issued Bullet and the reviews were very inconsistent.  Some great quality, some fair and some poor.  Taking on Remington is a large project and maybe it is better suited for a mega manufacture? 

Hmm, well I don't know if I would consider Buck as "mega", but I expect the quality will be more consistent, and I'm sure they have more advertising punch & a larger customer base. As I'm sure you suspect, B & S's quality has always been spotty, so it wouldn't be the first time a brand switched manufacturers midstream due to quality issues, (Buck switching 300 Series production from Schrade to Camillus for example).

Of course I'm tickled whatever the reason, now I will have more Bucks to collect!

Some new info from this morning

Thanks for the link I was able to review some of the posts. One correction on the bullet knife – Our plan is to only make the Bullet knife USA. Products coming from off shore will be non-bullet knives.

Some additional info about the Remington line;
· Product will have model numbers on the blades
· We will have a date code for the Knives. Code will be positioned on the blades.
· Country of origin will appear on the blade & Packaging. (no consumer tricks)

Categories for the 2018 catalog will be;
· Sportsman Series
· Fast Series
· Tactical Series
· Heritage line
· Everyday
· Combo’s

More than 50% of the catalog will be new designs and the designs that were kept changes (Improvements) were made. The improvements were either Functionality and or Esthetics.

During the holiday season we have shipped some new product all import. Most of the products will be sold in a holiday tin as a combo set. These products will not be in our 2018 catalog. The Retailers are, Cabela’s, Academy & Tractor Supply.

Sorry to see another quality knife, made in America by Bear and Son, will now to be farmed out to China. No need now to buy an import knife just because it has the name Remington on it. The Bullet Knife will still be a nice collection to follow. 

Indeed it will Wayne and while many will feel that way, I think Buck can make a difference by using the same strict quality they use on their imports.  Not sure they are all China based though.

Though I seriously collect US-made Bucks, I also own a couple of import Bucks and can find no fault in them other than them not being domestic, same with Taylor-made Schrades. For that matter I can't remember ever seeing a Rough Rider I would consider inferior as far as fit & finish goes. I think Chinese manufacturing has improved vastly since Buck's first forays into offshore production, so I'm sure this new venture will result in quality products both foreign & domestic.

Personally I applaud Buck for finding a way to stay in business in a hostile business environment, unfortunately staying in business requires them to add imported items to their catalog. If that keeps US workers in their jobs in Idaho I salute their decision to do so.

Thanks Jan for bringing that to my attention. I referenced China in error, I should have said import. I am sure a firm like Buck has an excellent quality control that will only let the finest knives pass. I would also like to see an american made club knife for the future.

I am thrilled that the Bullet will be made in Bucks US factory. It is an iconic knife and keeping production here is a great way to honor that. Many of the companies now are producing here and abroad. it is as they say, the wave of the future. As long as quality control is there I am not totally opposed to the split.

Bringing new knives to the line is not cheap so I understand that outsourcing that may be the only way to economically do that

Just my personal opinion.

I think the Remington ~ BUCK partnership is a winning combination. Both possess iconic names in the outdoorsman / hunter / sportsman arena. When it comes to business .. predictions are .. difficult @ best. In the real world .. I cannot imagine a better marriage. Both companies are instantly recognized in the world of hunting & outdoors activities .. young to old.

I am an avid fan of Bear & Son .. from the days of Bear MGC to the current Bear & Son. I am realistically informed enough to recognize the ongoing issue of sporadic Q&C issues associated with the firm. I am also lucky enough to not have personally experienced this shortcoming. AND .. I own a good # of their products. I’d truly thought they’d gotten a handle on it through their landing of the Remington contract ..as.. the QC issues did diminish coincident with that contract. I can only guess .. not well enough. I am still a great fan & will continue to recommend their product as a very good “quality deal” using knife.

That being stated .. the current BUCK / Remington partnership I view as nothing less than a winning combination !!! Both companies possess an historically proven value of both quality & concern for their customer base. Tough to go wrong given that company philosophy.

Keeping the Bullet Series under USA manufacture is a sage decision. I am not a collector of Remington’s ..but.. understand that is their “select” product line. Keeping the manufacture stateside will facilitate tighter control of the quality of that line & further facilitate the command of higher profit margins. From a competitive business view .. there is also the need for a lower priced line of product. That dictates going off-shore for production. Most here should recognize ..through SMKW’s Rough Rider line.. that quality is available from off-shore sources. And BUCK is already positioned to supply both .. USA & off-shore production .. while simultaneously providing the Q&C demanded by Remington.

It all boils down to a very winning combination for all .. imo.

Enjoy

D ale

Does anybody have a list of the years and models of Remington Bullet Knives?

Thanks

Vernon, the resource I always go to is Remington Knives, Past and Present by Ron Stewart and Roy Ritchie. It has a pretty good listing up till 2004. Gus Marsh might possibly have a complete listing also. I collect them, but am missing several, probably arounfd 10 or 11 years.

I know this is listed above in a discussion...THANK YOU LARS

This is the link to the Remington cutlery web site it is now up and...

Nice one, Rick.

I just found the tang stamp again

 c.1933 to 1935.

From Knife Magazine

The chapter 11 petition in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Decatur, Ala., marks Remington’s second restructuring since 2018, when it filed for chapter 11 and transferred ownership to investors including Franklin Resources Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Remington has been searching for potential buyers and was in talks to sell itself out of bankruptcy to the Navajo Nation before negotiations collapsed in recent weeks, leaving the company without a lead bidder, or stalking horse, in place.

The manufacturer’s firearms and ammunition businesses could be sold off separately, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Does anybody know what year Remington introduced the 4 blade,R103 Delrin stag handled Heritage series knife? If not, suggestions for where I can search?

Joel Carp

Howdy from beautiful and sometimes semitropical downtown Saint Thomas, PA. Just touching base here. I am a collector, and Remington knives are one of the brands I like to accumulate.  My collection includes one each of the bullet knives issued each year since 1982, several originals from the 1920s and on, a bunch of individual pocket and fixed blades.

In the past two months I have added half a dozen nice old Remingtons to my collection.  Over the years I've had several R100A and R100B dogleg stock knives.  Always upgrading in condition.  I love the concealed backsprings, and the "Remington Standard Dollar Knife" etch.  One of my Holy Grails is a near mint or mint example of either an A or B model with a very strong etch.  Been looking for nearly 25 years now.  

It seems that the original bullet knife #1123 is fairly common.  I am seeing them frequently on Ebay.  Here are two of that model that I have in my collection.

The one at the top left side of the photo has had a repair to the scale done.  It does detract from the value of the knife.  The lower right hand side one is in much better condition.

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My reference for remington knives lists R293 as a serpentine Jack with a clip and a spey blade.  Sometimes this pattern is referred to as a trapper pattern. It is further described as having a oval shield on the scale.  Length 3 1/2 inches closed.  Estimated value of one in good condition is $300.  Hope this is of help.

George

I should add that my reference does not describe this knife as "damascus steel."  A second reference gives an estimated value as $600.

Picked this one up on Ebay.  It is the R1253 lockback supposedly favored by Al Capone.

Remington is back.  Two new year knives are available; 2023 and 2024.  The 2023 is a hawkbill with red bone-type scales.  The 2024 knife is called a "waterfowler."  It has two blades, a guthook, and yellow bone-type scales.  Smoky Mountain has them.

2023 (hawkbill) is the bottom one.  2024 (waterfowler) is the top.

Just an aside:  I think these two new knives are being made by Bear and son.

some of the "Rmington" knives for sale on Ebay are made in China.  Some are not describes as such, and some have "PRC" on the blade.  Be careful.

I saw a knife listed  on Ebay this morning that purports to be an original remington bullet knife # R193.  The problem I have is that there is no such original bullet knife of that number or design in any of my references.  Any thoughts?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/176795252778?itmmeta=01JHZ7QZJV6TKJ67XZ578...

G'morning George

I make NO clains to being knowledgeable about bullet knives at all....\

But just to the common everyday person, The bullet knives started in 1982, right?  I found a poster that showed every bullet knife issued up through 2012.  The VAST majority of them were multi-bladed (mostly 2).  The few that had single blades did not match the description of what I saw in the auction.  There were a couple of toothpicks (obvious 'no'), a coke-bottle, and a couple of other designs that did not match.

At least for the first 30 years of bullet knives, I see nothing even close.

Actually the series that started in 1982 is a series of reproductions.  The original bullet knives were produced and sold mostly in the 1920s and early 1930s.  If in good condition, the originals can be quite valuable, selling for prices approaching $2000 or even more.  A couple of the originals were single blade, but most were two blade knives.

I have two references to the originals.  I can find none issued with the R 193 stamp.  Not sure where this one came from, but it is suspect.  The only R 193 knife I can find in my references is a teardrop jack knife with a spear and a punch blade.  

I have a complete collection of all of the repro bullet knives, started when the first one came out in 1982.  Still working on the originals, but can't afford some of them that are in near mint or mint condition.

Here is a photo of some of my older remingtons:

This one is an original R 1254 single blade.  It was reputed to be Al Capone's favorite.

My apologies for my fat fingers on the keyboard.  The single blade bullet knife below is a model R 1253.

As to the original post I made regarding a knife on Ebay purporting to be an original bullet knife model  R193, I would stay away from this one.  While the price seems reasonable to cheap for an original 1920s vintage bullet knife, I believe this is not one, but is either a fantasy knife or a counterfeit.  

Ahhhh!  Good to learn!  Thank you

Ever so glad to get edge-ama-cated about something I know nothing about.

Like I said earlier I know nothing about bullet knives beyond what the most common of knowledge might be.

Ask me something about the RH sheath knives, and I might be able to help a little bit.  ;)

I do have a few Remington fixed blade knives, Kevin. My most recent aquisition is an RH 4, no sheath.  I will probably make one for it.  

Remington made a

at least two plastic handled knives:  RH 72 P and RH74P

Just for a bit of information on the original Remington bullet kniv...

One has to be careful when looking at an Ebay ad. for example, check out this one.  The bullet on the handle is in the wrong place, and the knife has no number as most bullet knives do.

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Also, re my previous post, the price at which it is offered is quite low.  It purports to be an original, and such will bring hundreds.

I am anxiously awaiting shipment of a knife I purchased.  It is a Remington model 1613  fish and toothpick style with the round shield.  Admitedly it is not in mint condition, but I just couldn't pass it up.  This one is an anomaly, in that the bullet model actually is worth less than the one with the round shield.  When I get it I will post a photo.

It finally got here.  It is actually in a bit better condition than I expected it to be, perhaps near mint?

This photo shows the number

Another Remington fixed blade; RH75