I am asked this question quite often and i always give the same answer. If any one wants to share their opinions feel free. "What is it that makes us so into knives that we must carry at least one no matter where we are or what we are doing?"
I think that second to fire they have been used as a tool by man for so long they have become genetically ingrained in our make up. The same way a crackling fire gives you that relaxed feeling inside, knives warm your soul. How is that for 4am deep thoughts from the graveyard
I wholeheartedly agree with Chris Hillier's comment. Here I am at 3:00 am PST and can't resist chiming in on this point. It's true that knives warm our souls, but isn't ironic that "cold steel" can do that? But, it's so primal, you know? Owning one or more knives is so reassuring, so connected with our ancestors and heroes that they're, in a way, spiritual.
Exactly i find it fullfilling when i have one of mans oldest know tools that has been so successful from its primative original stone to modernday steel and handle materials. And so many to choose from.
They come in every shape size design form and function, but fundementally remain the same. The more i thought about it, fire has always been here, WE made knives!
Ok everyone has their own methods of sharpening their blades. I personally preffer a good ole bench stone and finishing up on a well made strop with different grades of polishing compounds.
Personally when it comes too sharpening I would love to learn more of it's art and a better way to do it. I mean I just use a hand stone to shape the blade then various other grades of stone to do the sharpening. I would love a wheel. Personally my friends all say I do the best job of putting an edge back on but I don't feel like the knives are getting as sharp as they could. Any ideas? I would like to have some sort of forge where I can heat a blade then sharpen it while it's soft but it's just an idea that I don't have to resources to attempt
I am not too sure about the idea of heating and sharpening while it's soft. To me it seems once it's cooled down it would change that edge. I have a course, fine, and an extra fine diamond stone that In use to put that edge on it. the edge should catch and feel sort of rough because it has micro serations. After the stones i use a leather stop with a honing compound to refine and smooth the edge. I have literaly shaved my face with my knives ...lmao
What's the process you go through when sharpening cause the only time I've ever been able to get a blade back to hair popping sharp is after I shapen with a fine stone then go back and resharpen with a piece of marble.
Ok lets say your knife is really dull first take the course stone place your blade tilted slightly back and position it to the angle you want your edge and slide down and forward across the stone keep doing that until the edge feels rough. then you repeat the same process on the fine stone make about 8 to 10 passes on each side. Then the same on the extra fine. then i go to my strop using light preasure pull the blade the oposit way while rotating it with the curve of the blade.
I hope this isn't too confusing. Im not good at explaining in text I would have to show you
My goal when sharpening is to get it back to cold steel sharp. A brand-new cold steel out of the box is so freakin sharp my friend shaved a massive piece of his thumb off with one. That's how sharp I want to make mine
So I have a question for all you benchmade users out there. I was looking at getting the ERT1 rescue knife (Houdini pro) because I work a summer camp and am one of the primary boat mechanics there. Now over the course of the summer our boats drive over multiple ski ropes and they often get tangled in the rudder. Now I normally just have a cheap buck knife on me but do you think the rescue hook be helpful in this situation and work of getting these ropes off?
Your rescue hook will be hard to get behind tightly wound cordage, i would recommend a ringed razel, good edge, pryable, push cutting edge, and doesnt look like a knife for the sheeple!
Chris- where can I find a razel... What is a razel?
Mackenzie- I've slowly been trying to get some knives around the camp... Like a multitool on the boats and something like that but they just don't quite get the fact that it's a tool that is needed
Chris I just looked up the razel and I would agree that it would be great but only two problems with it A it's a fixed blade and I would get in lots of trouble for having one of those and B most times I'm using this will be when I've been out in the middle of this lake and I have to go under a boat to cut the rope out and trying to carry a fixed blade out into the lake without a leg strap makes it difficult. Plus most times everyone doesn't know I have a knife on me till they need it
There are others of similar design, like the Benchmades, but pricier. You can also check various YouTube videos for more insights into the RESCOM and the HAWKHOOK. I think the kids will like (and the liability-conscious managers will prefer) either of these. Have fun!
Yea Nate I know how that is In my line of work it's difficult to get them to allow me to have a small knife. It is unfortunate that all some people see knive as is a weapon, but I do find it kind of funny that when someone needs a knife they hunt me down because they are so against carrying one themselves
Mig- thanks I will check them out hopefully I can find something. And honestly when all else fails I carry a spyderco tenacious for everything else I do around camp and they can
Day what they want but I will always have some sort blade on me
Mackenzie- yes I agree and I don't know about you but I often find myself kinda lonely because aside from my bestfriend no one really gets carrying a good knife and the always wanting or carrying them
It's kinda the same in my situation some of my friends do carry knives, but the ones they carry are usualy those cheepo depot deals u find in hardware stores and they are usualy bent broken and dull and fall apart. They think im am crazy spending the money I spend on my knives.
I'm kinda getting my little brother interested in knives.
Mig - do you know if any of these are water proof or atleast able to not rust In water? That's the primary environment this knife will
Be in.
Mackenzie - I know what you mean ive converted my bestfriend from
College to our side. He's now carrying a 5in tanto cold steel voyager.
Sorry, Nate, but the AUS 8 & 8A are just stainless, not waterproof steels. Together with your Tenacious, why not bring along a Spyderco Salt I in H1 steel? It's waterproof, including all its parts. Works just like your Tenacious, 3" Sheepsfoot blade which would poke less, Spyderedge for rope & seatbelts, yellow for underwater visibility, lockback, around $55. Just add a paracord lanyard and you are good to go!
I always enjoy my Salt 1 very much. The color makes people think of sour gum drops, therefore non-offensive. With a P-TRRS reflective lanyard, I never lose it. It even looks like a toy. But the Salt I fits my hand perfectly and it works just fine.
So mig in your personal opinion it would be better to go with a salt over the rescue hook. Whn I ordered the tenacious they decided to tack on a salt ladybug so I will have to try it I just don't want to lose em
Cause that's a little chunk of money for a college student
Nate, for use around water, H-1 steel beats any stainless steel. The Salt I only gives you the waterproof 3" blade, thumbhole opener, bright yellow, maybe better ergonomics. The HawkHook has the hook, serrated 1", can opener, glass breaker and screwdriver. I prefer to keep the Hawkhook in the car. For your camping though, the Salt I might be more useful. Close to perfect if paired with a Leatherman multi-tool. You could also, maybe, keep a stainless knife in an oiled ziplok bag, and oil it thoroughly once you get back home. How you plan to use it should dictate your decision.
Ok so here's the question about the salt. After doing much research I am going to get one but which one do I get? The plain or serrated and do
I get the 3 in the almost 4 in or the hawkbill in 3 or 4 in ?
Alright after reading back, if you need a folder that will stand up to less than perfect care and cleaning around water, than the spyderco salts are the way to go. H1 is excellent, will not rust, although i will warn you ahead of time it scratches easily, buts it a work knife ao that should be no concern. Get the almost 4", non serrated. IMHO serrations are over rated when compared to a sharp plain edge for 99.26% of cutting tasks. They are almost useless when cutting cordage against a surface, especially if tightly wound. Do the old bag boy trick of carabiner on belt loop attached to lanyard on pocket knife by a length or suitable cord, that way you wont lose your new investment in the bottom if the lake!! Just one mans opinion!
Nate, one of your considerations is the perception of the knife by the camp managers? You could show them a picture of a hawkbill knife to get their opinion. Also, a smaller knife might seem less aggressive in their eyes. The ATLANTIC SALT has a 3.69" straight blade with a rounded tip, kinder on inflatables and toes. I totally agree with Chris on "sharp plain edge" being better, with more flexible usage. I would also recommend a DMT combo stone (medium & fine) in case you needed a rougher edge for tougher rope underwater? You mentioned earlier that you'd also be bringing your Tenacious (hidden), which I assumed (wrongfully?) was plain edge. Hence the Spyderedged Salt recommendation as the 2nd knife (the exposed one). The carabiner-on-lanyard is the only way , as Chris mentioned. Provide a space in the lanyard for your hand to slip into when you unclip from the belt loop. Try different ways of attaching, clipping, using, on different rope and materials. Have fun and be safe!
Andre de villiers
Nov 20, 2010
Andre de villiers
May cause concern if carried in some states. LOL
Nov 20, 2010
Chris Hillier
Nov 26, 2010
Tim steckbauer
Dec 3, 2010
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 10, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 11, 2011
Terry Waldele
I wholeheartedly agree with Chris Hillier's comment. Here I am at 3:00 am PST and can't resist chiming in on this point. It's true that knives warm our souls, but isn't ironic that "cold steel" can do that? But, it's so primal, you know? Owning one or more knives is so reassuring, so connected with our ancestors and heroes that they're, in a way, spiritual.
Jan 11, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 11, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 11, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 11, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 11, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 11, 2011
Chris Hillier
:)
Jan 12, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 12, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Ok everyone has their own methods of sharpening their blades. I personally preffer a good ole bench stone and finishing up on a well made strop with different grades of polishing compounds.
Everyone share your methods with other members.
Jan 14, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 15, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 15, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 15, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 15, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Ok lets say your knife is really dull first take the course stone place your blade tilted slightly back and position it to the angle you want your edge and slide down and forward across the stone keep doing that until the edge feels rough. then you repeat the same process on the fine stone make about 8 to 10 passes on each side. Then the same on the extra fine. then i go to my strop using light preasure pull the blade the oposit way while rotating it with the curve of the blade.
I hope this isn't too confusing. Im not good at explaining in text I would have to show you
Jan 15, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 15, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
I have tried several ways and i find this the best way fo me anways, but I could never really get a good mirror polish it is decent though.
Jan 15, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 15, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 15, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 16, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Have to work
With you
Jan 16, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 16, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Mackenzie- I've slowly been trying to get some knives around the camp... Like a multitool on the boats and something like that but they just don't quite get the fact that it's a tool that is needed
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 16, 2011
Mig Santos
You might want to look at the BOKER RESCOM by Chad Los Banos, AUS 8 steel with 2 cutting edges for rope or seatbelts :
http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tactical-knife/01BO5...
CLB Design's page - Review :
http://www.clbdesign.info/content/view/28/94/
Available for $28 at ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Boker-Plus-Chad-Los-Banos-Red-Rescom-Rescue-Kni...
Or, the BLACKHAWK HAWKHOOK, AUS8A steel with 2 edges, plus bottle opener, screwdriver and glass breaker :
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/HawkHook,685,37.htm
Available for $31 at...
http://cgi.ebay.com/BlackHawk-HawkHook-Rescue-Tool-Folding-Knife-15...
Jan 16, 2011
Mig Santos
cont . . . . .
PoliceMag.com - Review :
http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Weapons/Articles/2009/01/Blackhawk...
There are others of similar design, like the Benchmades, but pricier. You can also check various YouTube videos for more insights into the RESCOM and the HAWKHOOK. I think the kids will like (and the liability-conscious managers will prefer) either of these. Have fun!
Jan 16, 2011
Mig Santos
And here's the link to 6 BENCHMADE HOOK products :
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_list.aspx?keyword=HOOK
Jan 16, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Day what they want but I will always have some sort blade on me
Mackenzie- yes I agree and I don't know about you but I often find myself kinda lonely because aside from my bestfriend no one really gets carrying a good knife and the always wanting or carrying them
Jan 17, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
It's kinda the same in my situation some of my friends do carry knives, but the ones they carry are usualy those cheepo depot deals u find in hardware stores and they are usualy bent broken and dull and fall apart. They think im am crazy spending the money I spend on my knives.
I'm kinda getting my little brother interested in knives.
Jan 17, 2011
Nate Andrews
Be in.
Mackenzie - I know what you mean ive converted my bestfriend from
College to our side. He's now carrying a 5in tanto cold steel voyager.
Jan 17, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Sorry, Nate, but the AUS 8 & 8A are just stainless, not waterproof steels. Together with your Tenacious, why not bring along a Spyderco Salt I in H1 steel? It's waterproof, including all its parts. Works just like your Tenacious, 3" Sheepsfoot blade which would poke less, Spyderedge for rope & seatbelts, yellow for underwater visibility, lockback, around $55. Just add a paracord lanyard and you are good to go!
http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Salt-1-Yellow-Spyderedge/dp/B001EIAY...
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Also, Nate, in the Salt series, there's the new Ladybug3 Salt, 2" H-1 blade, $33 :
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Ladybug-3-Salt-Serrated-Yellow-Knife-L...
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=399
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=174
http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLDENROD-P-TRRS-Reflective-550-Paracord-Cord-R...
I always enjoy my Salt 1 very much. The color makes people think of sour gum drops, therefore non-offensive. With a P-TRRS reflective lanyard, I never lose it. It even looks like a toy. But the Salt I fits my hand perfectly and it works just fine.
Jan 17, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 17, 2011
Nate Andrews
Cause that's a little chunk of money for a college student
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Nate, for size comparison, the Spydercos : Ladybug3, Persistence, Salt I _
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Jan 17, 2011
Nate Andrews
I get the 3 in the almost 4 in or the hawkbill in 3 or 4 in ?
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 18, 2011
Mig Santos
Nate, one of your considerations is the perception of the knife by the camp managers? You could show them a picture of a hawkbill knife to get their opinion. Also, a smaller knife might seem less aggressive in their eyes. The ATLANTIC SALT has a 3.69" straight blade with a rounded tip, kinder on inflatables and toes. I totally agree with Chris on "sharp plain edge" being better, with more flexible usage. I would also recommend a DMT combo stone (medium & fine) in case you needed a rougher edge for tougher rope underwater? You mentioned earlier that you'd also be bringing your Tenacious (hidden), which I assumed (wrongfully?) was plain edge. Hence the Spyderedged Salt recommendation as the 2nd knife (the exposed one). The carabiner-on-lanyard is the only way , as Chris mentioned. Provide a space in the lanyard for your hand to slip into when you unclip from the belt loop. Try different ways of attaching, clipping, using, on different rope and materials. Have fun and be safe!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Atlantic-Salt-H1-Steel-Knife-C89PYL-Ru...
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 18, 2011