knife was made by Carl Friedrich Ern. The company originated in Solingen circa 1870s. Goins' book suggests that Ern started by making razors then expanded into folding knives in the 1920s and hunting knives after WWII.
I have a question for you guys and gals. Do any of you collect vintage Ice Picks? When I was a boy, the only way to buy ice was in block form. Everyone had an ice pick to break the block into smaller peices. If ya'll have some, lets see some pictures, please.
This is an old corkscrew with an ice pick as requested Robert. It was made by Christopher Johnson of Sheffield circa 1900. This company was more reknowned for making pocket knives and cutlery.
LOL! In reality there are very few icepicks in any evidence locker. However, there are many kitchen knives and cheap pocket knives. At one time, screwdrivers were the #1 stabbing weapon used on police.
just dug out and old KENT {made by camillus} last night. i went the super quick route on cleaning ,THE DREMEL!...found all the steel and brass under all the rust and patina pretty fast.oiled blades and at least works,even both blades snap.had to hone both blades and put an edge back on them...lots a fun...took 50 cent box knife made EDC..fun. plus has actual PINNED KENT shield!
Clint said: "At one time, screwdrivers were the #1 stabbing weapon used on police."
One needs to asks "Slotted or Phillips" As long as we're drifting. Gunsmiths still refer to screwdrivers as "turnscrews"
In the old days, flintlocks were sold along with a turnscrew because without the matching turnscrew, you couldn't loosen the lock to replace the flint.
The Phillips screw and associated screw driver really didn't become popular until Cadillac adopted it for its manufacturing in 1936. Before then the Robertson screw (suqare socket head screw) was more popular. Thus it is highly unlikely that you will find a Phillips screw driver on a pre-1936 pocket knife
The slotted screw remains the most popular screw in the world followed by the Phillips.
Tobias, while we are on screws and drivers. Back in the day when I was a Refrigeration Tech. it would get our goat when we had to take apart a peice of equipment an it had, half a dozen different screw heads. Phillips, slotted, hex [in different sizes], and star bit,...ect...ect... We had to carry alot of tools.lol
The reason for officers being stabbed with the slotted screwdriver has revealed its self. Burglars and car thieves carry the screwdriver in their back pocket and when approached by law enforcement. Some.....the really dumb ones.....pull the screwdriver out and assault the officer.
Good people seldom attack others. Only those with evil intent do evil things. Vehicles kill tens of thousands of people every year, pollute our environment and use up our natural resources but we don't ban them. We don't even do a good job on banning those who keep driving drunk and pose a great danger to others. Two years ago I was in on an arrest of a 24 year old drunk driver. This was his 10th DUI at 24.
Why we don't ban vehicles is because we don't blame the vehicle for the deaths but the drivers. Therefore, why do they ban most knives, sword canes etc. and firearms? The reason is....in order to control your subjects you must disarm them first. You must create a State where the subjects depend on the Government for day to day basic needs like shelter, food etc. (Public housing, food stamps.)
You can not call a man...woman....a slave when they are holding a sword (Made in the USA). I hope this helps.
Ron, thats a neat old knife. I'm sure the gang will find out about it's history. I have a knife that I might need help on, myself. It's a 5 blade Kissing Cranes, that I always thought was some sort of Whittiler. Someone, lately has told me it's a 5 blade Stockman. I disagree, big time, but I have seen my Moose patterns called Muskrats, when there is no way they come close to a Muskrat. I'll post some pictures later, good friends. Thanks!
Pattern names can be confusing. Many serious knife collectors feel Bernard Levine is the only one to try to bring some sense and sanity to names of patterns/models. Everyone should have a copy of "Levine's Guide To Knives And Their Valures", if for nothing else, it's sections on pattern names and history. Sometimes a knife can actually have multiple levels of pattern name. For example; "Double end jack, cattle knife"!
i agree of course with craig... buy books ... then buy knives... lesson the worry.i have been preaching that for a bit...lol... but in the meantime here is probably one of the best camillus resources their is online.i have actually printed all of the pdf's and put them on CD in case this site is removed. this isnt the home page ,this link takes you right to the heart of all the catalogs and everything they have.its not everything of course..but like i said its a start and i love it. you are gonna want to save this site. when i was into collecting camillus i used it almost everyday! http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Catalogs/Catalogs.htm IMPORTANT -YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY CLICK ON WHERE IT SAYS THE NAME OF THE CATALOG.NOT THE PICTURE OF THE CATALOG.the way its all laid out in pdf..just a wonderful job.. those who have not seen this im golad to have shown you.
HEY ROBERT DO YOU HAVE PICS OF THE KISSING knife? with it be KC ,5 blade stockman seems much more their pattern style then a 5 blade whittler.if you had pic i could help you with that for sure!
Ron I right there with you. If it looks good to me then I buy it. If the knife is older and I need to brush up on the history....just that much more fun.
Ron I like that old Scout . That would have spoken to me too. Have you ever tried Flitz cleaner/polish paste? It removes rust and dirt, but has so very little cut by way of abrasive you are really not removing any material.
My bet is the USA has rubbed off as it should appear centered just below the New York Line The knife most likely predates WWII because of the material, the shield and the can opener. Of not it was made in the late forties after the war. I think by 1942, war time production kicked in and the shields were USA, USMC, and a variety of other knives made for like the mdical, signal, chemical corps etc.
hello all, I am new to the group and have a question has anyone in the group heard of a brand called German Bull, i recently picked up a large 5" closed stag handled lockback sodbuster pattern,nice knife,well made blade tang says germany stainless handmade,any info will be helpful, thanks Robert
As Germany does not require what country their items are made in...I would say if the knife is new and you paid under $50 it was made in China. Puma...I can't believe they did this....are having their knives made in China.
thanks everyone, I believe that frost also owns hen and rooster and i think that they might be made in china, i personally do not like them very much, not even close to the quality of the old HR knives, the cost of the german bull knife that i bought is 45 dollars, cheap in my opinion for a large stag lockback sodbuster pattern, i know that the eye brand version goes for at least 100 dollars, so it would not suprise me that my knife would by made in china which really does not bother me as i own serveral Rough Riders two AG Russells that are made in china and are very nice knives. Robert
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TUNA- first off read back a few i told you that USA would be thier ... glad you found it!
jan-i see you have a post where GERMAN BULL knives are made in germany but when i was in SMKW they were marked CHINA and had a CHINA sticker on the blades...{also no kidding i have worked for knives ,many times...lol...from setting up websites to FB LIKES!}
ROBERT BENTON -yes hen and rooster are also now made in china but i belive they may still import their steel from germany allowing then the soligen germany mark on their blades...but i havent bought one in awhile so i dont know... way way way back hen and rooster was a great knife!
IM REALLY HAPPY TUNA YOU FOUND THAT USA ON THEIR...from reading what others had posted i could tell folks just new it was their! good job!
Bear and Bull, H&R, Boker, and German Bull, are all a mixed bag and are suspect. Some are made in China or Pakistan . Some are made in China but with steel exported from Germany with final touches, inspection, and boxing in Germany, and some H&R and made in Toldeo, Spain. Frost is not very forthcoming with the info and neither is Boker.
Sue OldsWidow
For Jan
knife was made by Carl Friedrich Ern. The company originated in Solingen circa 1870s. Goins' book suggests that Ern started by making razors then expanded into folding knives in the 1920s and hunting knives after WWII.
Jul 21, 2012
Sue OldsWidow
OLD KNIFE~Friedr. Ern & Co. Yachtsman Knife Bone Stag
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/old-knife-friedr-ern-co-yacht...
Jul 21, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
I have a question for you guys and gals. Do any of you collect vintage Ice Picks? When I was a boy, the only way to buy ice was in block form. Everyone had an ice pick to break the block into smaller peices. If ya'll have some, lets see some pictures, please.
Jul 23, 2012
ken benson
I think most ice picks are still being held in evidence somewhere.
Jul 23, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Whoa...mine has never seen anything but ice. I bet you could hurt someone with it though. I'll post some pictures latter.+
Jul 23, 2012
Smiling-Knife
This is an old corkscrew with an ice pick as requested Robert. It was made by Christopher Johnson of Sheffield circa 1900. This company was more reknowned for making pocket knives and cutlery.
Jul 23, 2012
Clint Thompson
LOL! In reality there are very few icepicks in any evidence locker. However, there are many kitchen knives and cheap pocket knives. At one time, screwdrivers were the #1 stabbing weapon used on police.
Jul 23, 2012
peter force
just dug out and old KENT {made by camillus} last night. i went the super quick route on cleaning ,THE DREMEL!...found all the steel and brass under all the rust and patina pretty fast.oiled blades and at least works,even both blades snap.had to hone both blades and put an edge back on them...lots a fun...took 50 cent box knife made EDC..fun. plus has actual PINNED KENT shield!
Jul 24, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Clint said: "At one time, screwdrivers were the #1 stabbing weapon used on police."
One needs to asks "Slotted or Phillips" As long as we're drifting. Gunsmiths still refer to screwdrivers as "turnscrews"
In the old days, flintlocks were sold along with a turnscrew because without the matching turnscrew, you couldn't loosen the lock to replace the flint.
The Phillips screw and associated screw driver really didn't become popular until Cadillac adopted it for its manufacturing in 1936. Before then the Robertson screw (suqare socket head screw) was more popular. Thus it is highly unlikely that you will find a Phillips screw driver on a pre-1936 pocket knife
The slotted screw remains the most popular screw in the world followed by the Phillips.
Jul 24, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Tobias, while we are on screws and drivers. Back in the day when I was a Refrigeration Tech. it would get our goat when we had to take apart a peice of equipment an it had, half a dozen different screw heads. Phillips, slotted, hex [in different sizes], and star bit,...ect...ect... We had to carry alot of tools.lol
Jul 24, 2012
peter force
hey rob thank god for swiss army champ!...what is it 220 tools.....LOLOLOL!
Jul 24, 2012
ken benson
Is that a Swiss Army Champ in your pocket?
Jul 24, 2012
Clint Thompson
Peter and Ken...
I have two of the Super Champs. I just love this knife but a bit too big for the pocket.
Jul 24, 2012
Billy Oneale
Jul 24, 2012
Clint Thompson
The reason for officers being stabbed with the slotted screwdriver has revealed its self. Burglars and car thieves carry the screwdriver in their back pocket and when approached by law enforcement. Some.....the really dumb ones.....pull the screwdriver out and assault the officer.
Jul 25, 2012
Jan Carter
And they ban knives!!!???
Jul 25, 2012
Clint Thompson
Jan here is the deal.....
Good people seldom attack others. Only those with evil intent do evil things. Vehicles kill tens of thousands of people every year, pollute our environment and use up our natural resources but we don't ban them. We don't even do a good job on banning those who keep driving drunk and pose a great danger to others. Two years ago I was in on an arrest of a 24 year old drunk driver. This was his 10th DUI at 24.
Why we don't ban vehicles is because we don't blame the vehicle for the deaths but the drivers. Therefore, why do they ban most knives, sword canes etc. and firearms? The reason is....in order to control your subjects you must disarm them first. You must create a State where the subjects depend on the Government for day to day basic needs like shelter, food etc. (Public housing, food stamps.)
You can not call a man...woman....a slave when they are holding a sword (Made in the USA). I hope this helps.
Jul 25, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Hey, ya'll remember what we started our conversation about? Well heres my vintage ice pick. This was the kind used back when I was a boy.
Jul 26, 2012
Tobias Gibson
I have one somewhere. I need to find it.
Jul 26, 2012
Jan Carter
Tobias I have one also. I remember not only using it for ice but making holes in leather (making a belt hole)
Jul 30, 2012
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Craig Henry
That's cool Robert. What does it say on the handle? I can make out "Ice Company" and that's it.
Aug 3, 2012
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Craig Henry
According to Levine;
"Camillus Cutlery Co. Camillus N.Y. USA -- Used through WWII"
"Camillus New York USA" -- used after WWII
Beautiful scout knife Ron!!
Aug 13, 2012
Jan Carter
Ron,
That is beautiful. There is no USA under the NY?
Aug 13, 2012
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Craig Henry
Houston Price book also shows; "Camillus Cutlery Co. Camillus N.Y." -- used through WWII
Aug 13, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Ron, thats a neat old knife. I'm sure the gang will find out about it's history. I have a knife that I might need help on, myself. It's a 5 blade Kissing Cranes, that I always thought was some sort of Whittiler. Someone, lately has told me it's a 5 blade Stockman. I disagree, big time, but I have seen my Moose patterns called Muskrats, when there is no way they come close to a Muskrat. I'll post some pictures later, good friends. Thanks!
Aug 13, 2012
Featured
Craig Henry
Pattern names can be confusing. Many serious knife collectors feel Bernard Levine is the only one to try to bring some sense and sanity to names of patterns/models. Everyone should have a copy of "Levine's Guide To Knives And Their Valures", if for nothing else, it's sections on pattern names and history. Sometimes a knife can actually have multiple levels of pattern name. For example; "Double end jack, cattle knife"!
Aug 13, 2012
peter force
i agree of course with craig... buy books ... then buy knives... lesson the worry.i have been preaching that for a bit...lol... but in the meantime here is probably one of the best camillus resources their is online.i have actually printed all of the pdf's and put them on CD in case this site is removed. this isnt the home page ,this link takes you right to the heart of all the catalogs and everything they have.its not everything of course..but like i said its a start and i love it. you are gonna want to save this site. when i was into collecting camillus i used it almost everyday! http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Catalogs/Catalogs.htm IMPORTANT -YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY CLICK ON WHERE IT SAYS THE NAME OF THE CATALOG.NOT THE PICTURE OF THE CATALOG.the way its all laid out in pdf..just a wonderful job.. those who have not seen this im golad to have shown you.
Aug 13, 2012
peter force
HEY ROBERT DO YOU HAVE PICS OF THE KISSING knife? with it be KC ,5 blade stockman seems much more their pattern style then a 5 blade whittler.if you had pic i could help you with that for sure!
Aug 13, 2012
Clint Thompson
Ron I right there with you. If it looks good to me then I buy it. If the knife is older and I need to brush up on the history....just that much more fun.
Aug 14, 2012
ken benson
Ron I like that old Scout . That would have spoken to me too. Have you ever tried Flitz cleaner/polish paste? It removes rust and dirt, but has so very little cut by way of abrasive you are really not removing any material.
Aug 14, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Ron,
My bet is the USA has rubbed off as it should appear centered just below the New York Line The knife most likely predates WWII because of the material, the shield and the can opener. Of not it was made in the late forties after the war. I think by 1942, war time production kicked in and the shields were USA, USMC, and a variety of other knives made for like the mdical, signal, chemical corps etc.
Aug 14, 2012
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Craig Henry
Ron "TUNA" Dumeah said;
This is how I mostly collect my knives. It looks good then buy it. They gotta speak to me.
I think there's a law against that Ron! You are required to buy the "in" thing. You mean you don't want 4,200 Case Trappers? LOL!
Aug 14, 2012
Clint Thompson
Thanks Ron.
Aug 14, 2012
Clint Thompson
The tangs being marked "USA" are not always being done. If the knife is old enough then it is not uncommon they are not marked in such a manner.
Aug 14, 2012
Jan Carter
It was fun. Thanks for letting us be a part of the research project
Aug 16, 2012
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Craig Henry
My bill is in the mail.
Aug 16, 2012
Jan Carter
Craig...LOL, will work for knives
Aug 18, 2012
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Craig Henry
Jan Carter Said;
Craig...LOL, will work for knives
Yes indeedy, you got that right! Payment in knives only!
Aug 19, 2012
robert benton
hello all, I am new to the group and have a question has anyone in the group heard of a brand called German Bull, i recently picked up a large 5" closed stag handled lockback sodbuster pattern,nice knife,well made blade tang says germany stainless handmade,any info will be helpful, thanks Robert
Aug 23, 2012
Clint Thompson
As Germany does not require what country their items are made in...I would say if the knife is new and you paid under $50 it was made in China. Puma...I can't believe they did this....are having their knives made in China.
Aug 23, 2012
J.J. Smith III
Aug 23, 2012
Jan Carter
I found this
German Bull
German Bull knives are hand-made in Germany. Boker Knives.
There is some info there but not to much
http://www.worldknives.com/manufacturers/german-bull-59.html
Hope that helps Robert
Aug 23, 2012
robert benton
thanks everyone, I believe that frost also owns hen and rooster and i think that they might be made in china, i personally do not like them very much, not even close to the quality of the old HR knives, the cost of the german bull knife that i bought is 45 dollars, cheap in my opinion for a large stag lockback sodbuster pattern, i know that the eye brand version goes for at least 100 dollars, so it would not suprise me that my knife would by made in china which really does not bother me as i own serveral Rough Riders two AG Russells that are made in china and are very nice knives. Robert
Aug 23, 2012
Jan Carter
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Aug 24, 2012
peter force
hey without reading any of the previous i just wanna jump in and say GERMAN BULL IS CHINA....if its already been said..sorry.
Aug 27, 2012
peter force
TUNA- first off read back a few i told you that USA would be thier ... glad you found it!
jan-i see you have a post where GERMAN BULL knives are made in germany but when i was in SMKW they were marked CHINA and had a CHINA sticker on the blades...{also no kidding i have worked for knives ,many times...lol...from setting up websites to FB LIKES!}
ROBERT BENTON -yes hen and rooster are also now made in china but i belive they may still import their steel from germany allowing then the soligen germany mark on their blades...but i havent bought one in awhile so i dont know... way way way back hen and rooster was a great knife!
IM REALLY HAPPY TUNA YOU FOUND THAT USA ON THEIR...from reading what others had posted i could tell folks just new it was their! good job!
Aug 27, 2012
peter force
jan i have about 15 boker catalogs at my disposal i will take a look and give them a call.
Aug 27, 2012
peter force
hey on that scout tuna are the liners brass?
Aug 27, 2012
Jan Carter
Our own Tobias has set up the best who owns who I have seen in recent years and shares it! IT is a fantastic resource
http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pgtk/wow4.html
Aug 27, 2012
Tobias Gibson
I need to take this one down:
http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pgtk/wow4.html
A more accurate and easier to navigate is found at:
http://apg2k.hegewisch.net/wow-6.html
Bear and Bull, H&R, Boker, and German Bull, are all a mixed bag and are suspect. Some are made in China or Pakistan . Some are made in China but with steel exported from Germany with final touches, inspection, and boxing in Germany, and some H&R and made in Toldeo, Spain. Frost is not very forthcoming with the info and neither is Boker.
Aug 27, 2012