I sent this discussion to a member we have that is England and is extremely knowledgeable about knives in general and especially those on his side of the world. I am hoping there is something about it he may recognize
Thank you so very much!! I knew it had to be Russian from the scrpit on the handle. To get that much more detailed info is a huge bonus!! Thanks to everyone!! Now maybe I can get some information on the WWI commeorative multiblade knife I showed. LOL
The mystery continues, Ah..Ha...Russian. Now we're getting somewhere. Could it be part of the Cold War? We may need James Bond on the case next time......LOL Thanks Ivars and Smiling Knife, ya'll did a great job on finding the info on this knife. While, I made silly jokes. Oh well, it's all for fun.
Blade stamp C.W. Engelwerk and there are more busts on ther reverse. Reseach shows all thye faces belong to WWI and Pre-WWI German, Prussina, and Austrian leaders bot political and miltary.
The other stamp is a winged figure with a crown holding a giant letter S. I bought it at a yard sale and the owner knew nothing about it other than it was an odd little knife. LOL As I mentioned, all the faces depict leaders of the military and political scenes from Germany, Prussia, and Austria circa WWI.
I'd like to get an idea when it may have ben made and exactly what it depicts. Famous Bavarian leaders? WWI heroes? People who wore very stiff collars? LOL
Believe me, there is a lot of junk here too!! The pieces I have been showing have been found through diligent foraging. Most sales I go to yield a waste of time and gas. The sales where knives are advertised almost always prove to be cheap imports that I would buy for paperweights. I look at the sales and ask questions like did they ever have any cutlery. I found a matching carving knife an fork at a church flea market that are late 18th century wrought iron. Fifty cents was an exceptional price. Sometimes you just have to ask if ,even though they don't have any knives for sale, they know of anyone who have some they might be willing to sell. It's a real mixed bag as far as what you get but you guys already know this. All I can say is diamonds are out there. You just have to dig for them.
Your knife is a who's who of German and Austrian Leaders during WWI.
Prinz Heinrich was in charge of the German Baltic fleet,
KrohnPrinz Rupprecht is crown prince of Bavaria and was in charge of the 6th German Army (Lorraine)
Krohn Prinz Wilhelm is the last crown prince of Germany also commanding the 5th army. He was the son Kaiser Wilhelm II. The royal family line was the Hohenzollern.
Franz Josef was emperor of the Austria Hungary Empire.
Hindenburg was supreme commander of German Army.
Erich von Falkenhayn was Chief of Staff of the German Army for the first two years of WWI.
I can't make out the other name.
If the knife is an original it was probably released during the early part of WWI for propaganda purposes.
At the beginning of the War, Crown Prince William made a very prophetic comment about WWI which probably got him in trouble with daddy.
He said:
"Undoubtedly this is the most stupid, senseless and unnecessary war of modern times. It is a war not wanted by Germany, I can assure you, but it was forced on us, and the fact that we were so effectually prepared to defend ourselves is now being used as an argument to convince the world that we desired conflict."
—Crown Prince Wilhelm
His army fought at Verdun. After the first battle, he declared the whole battle senseless and tried repeatedly to stop any further attacks because he saw the futility of trench warfare. Too bad the guy wasn't allowed to rule after WWI and later backed the guy with a funny mustache. Too bad also that when he recognized Hitler's true nature, there was little he could do to overthrow him.
The unidentified one is Karl von Einem. He was General of the German 3rd army in WWI. Led many campagnes and headed up the demobilization of the German army at the end of the war. Died, 1934. Thanks for your added research Toby!! I thought it may have been to commemorate those leaders but your idea of promotional propoganda seems more likely.
I also agree that the Crowned Prince's remarks probably landed him in lots of hot water.
With the origin being determined as Russian, I'm really curious if the one impression is that of Swan wearing a crown, as in the Swan Princess in the Russian folk tale of Tsar Saltan?
I assume it could also be a knight's helmet but to me it looks like a swan standing on its feet, flapping its wings and wearing a crown. Having been chased by a flapping swan, I kind of know what they look like! LOL
Update: Mostly through contributions made by actual Russians in the Blade and British Blade Forums I've learned that the "funky chicken" is actually a rooster -- the logo or mark of the October Works which had been located in the city of Vorsma in the province of Nizhny Novgorod located about 370 km east of Moscow and apprx 1,000 km west of the Ural Mtns. The October "company" produced all manner of tools during the years of the Soviet Union.
This is one of my favorite places to come on iKC. The amount of knives that come through here and the amazing amount of knowledge that is utilized to identify and help is fantastic
That's great info to have. This has to be the best site I've found for research and a great group of people with so much to share. Just hope I'm able to help out as well with my limited experience. Thanks to Smiling-Knife and Jim Child!!
I want to extend a gracious thank you to Ivars Day, Smiling-Knife, Jim Child, and Tobias Gibson. They have all provided me with information that has completed my Russian knife mystery. I now now what knid of knife it is, where and approximately when it was manufactured, and the approximate cost at time of manufacture. Symbols and script had to be decyphered to obtain most of this information. I have assembled pictures and all this information into file so I can print it out whenever I do educational presentation programs. Again, thanks so much to the great people and for all they've done. iKC ROCKS!!!!!
Geez Toby, I haven't seen one of those in forever! I remember seeing those in clam shell packaging hanging up in various stores on end displays, flashlight sections, etc. That's all I know about it. Not much. LOL!
Today is a great day to be an American! First of all it's Flag Day. If that isn't enough it is also the United States Army's birthday! Happy birthday to all my past, present and future army brethren!
And finally it's National Bourbon Day!
So not only are the great reasons to celebrate, a great American spirit for the celebration. And for those who don't partake of the spirit perhaps a slice of bourbon cake?
Either way, Fly the Flag and thank a soldier or vet today!
I thank all those that serve. And it's easy for me to thank a Vet.................my son, a highly decorated Vet of the Gulf War.......here inspecting a knocked out Iraqi Tank that he and his Tank (Company Commander's Tank) took out......one of many.
Have you ever noticed that vintage German folding knives command a really decent price compared to their competition? While German folders hold their own, the German fixed blades are way under priced for knives of their quality.
The same knife company folders and fixed blades, one holds its value and the other goes so much cheaper than its counter parts. Examples are everywhere -- A Kissing Krane folder holds up a good price while their fix blade flounders in its price... and the list goes on and on.
I own several vintage fixed blades and several vintage folders, I see no reason for the big difference in their value.
I am trying to learn as much as I can about vintage knife prices. Their value and their value according to their condition.
I would love to hear from vintage knife collectors and sellers. Whatever info you have to help me will probably help alot of other collectors. Plus it will be very much appreciated.
Robert, I still thing price wise, Rough Riders are better. Plus most of the Colt Stainless Fixed blades are 420 steel out of Pakistan. The Rough Riders are 440A out of China.
But I'll give Colt kudos. They make some really nice folders. And it is hard to argue with the Case Colt Collaborations.
Well, I only have purchased a few Colts and they were the Moose patterns. Perhaps they were built special, but I'm telling they are very well made. I'll try dig one out and get a photo to show you the ones I'm talking about. Thanks for the info,
Great, Clint. The Case folder with the pocket clip, I'm supposed to make a "Knife Review", has been with a big strong plumber for 6 months. I'm gonna ask him what he thinks about it. I may still, be able to make a great, knife review. Ha...Ha....
Clint Thompson got it right!!!! Last night was the season premiere of the final season of Dexter on Showtime. That infamous tool roll is Dexter's personal set of the tools of his trade. Congratulations Clint.
Jan Carter
Chuck,
I sent this discussion to a member we have that is England and is extremely knowledgeable about knives in general and especially those on his side of the world. I am hoping there is something about it he may recognize
Apr 17, 2013
Smiling-Knife
I'm thinking Russian too based on the numbers and it looks like a Soviet Star in the middle on one side.
Apr 18, 2013
Smiling-Knife
Found this on line. http://www.vendio.com/stores/AntiqueStall/item/knives-swords-blades...
Apr 18, 2013
Ron Cooper
Looks like you've solved the mystery, S.K.! It indeed appears to be a Russian knife. Good work, my friend!
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
Thank you so very much!! I knew it had to be Russian from the scrpit on the handle. To get that much more detailed info is a huge bonus!! Thanks to everyone!! Now maybe I can get some information on the WWI commeorative multiblade knife I showed. LOL
Apr 18, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
The mystery continues, Ah..Ha...Russian. Now we're getting somewhere. Could it be part of the Cold War? We may need James Bond on the case next time......LOL Thanks Ivars and Smiling Knife, ya'll did a great job on finding the info on this knife. While, I made silly jokes. Oh well, it's all for fun.
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
I don't think James Bond would be interested unless it had a hidden laser beam or a self-proplelled jetpack!! LOL
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
Blade stamp C.W. Engelwerk and there are more busts on ther reverse. Reseach shows all thye faces belong to WWI and Pre-WWI German, Prussina, and Austrian leaders bot political and miltary.
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
Apr 18, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Wow Chuck, that is a nice knife. What does the tang stamp say?
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
ENGELSWERK
C.W.ENGELS
SOLIGEN-FCCHE
The other stamp is a winged figure with a crown holding a giant letter S. I bought it at a yard sale and the owner knew nothing about it other than it was an odd little knife. LOL As I mentioned, all the faces depict leaders of the military and political scenes from Germany, Prussia, and Austria circa WWI.
Apr 18, 2013
J.J. Smith III
Y'all sure have better yard sales than we do.
Apr 18, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Very interesting, Chuck. What info are you trying to find out? I agree with JJ. the yard sales around here, are full of junk.
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
I'd like to get an idea when it may have ben made and exactly what it depicts. Famous Bavarian leaders? WWI heroes? People who wore very stiff collars? LOL
Believe me, there is a lot of junk here too!! The pieces I have been showing have been found through diligent foraging. Most sales I go to yield a waste of time and gas. The sales where knives are advertised almost always prove to be cheap imports that I would buy for paperweights. I look at the sales and ask questions like did they ever have any cutlery. I found a matching carving knife an fork at a church flea market that are late 18th century wrought iron. Fifty cents was an exceptional price. Sometimes you just have to ask if ,even though they don't have any knives for sale, they know of anyone who have some they might be willing to sell. It's a real mixed bag as far as what you get but you guys already know this. All I can say is diamonds are out there. You just have to dig for them.
Apr 18, 2013
Tobias Gibson
Your knife is a who's who of German and Austrian Leaders during WWI.
Prinz Heinrich was in charge of the German Baltic fleet,
KrohnPrinz Rupprecht is crown prince of Bavaria and was in charge of the 6th German Army (Lorraine)
Krohn Prinz Wilhelm is the last crown prince of Germany also commanding the 5th army. He was the son Kaiser Wilhelm II. The royal family line was the Hohenzollern.
Franz Josef was emperor of the Austria Hungary Empire.
Hindenburg was supreme commander of German Army.
Erich von Falkenhayn was Chief of Staff of the German Army for the first two years of WWI.
I can't make out the other name.
If the knife is an original it was probably released during the early part of WWI for propaganda purposes.
At the beginning of the War, Crown Prince William made a very prophetic comment about WWI which probably got him in trouble with daddy.
He said:
"Undoubtedly this is the most stupid, senseless and unnecessary war of modern times. It is a war not wanted by Germany, I can assure you, but it was forced on us, and the fact that we were so effectually prepared to defend ourselves is now being used as an argument to convince the world that we desired conflict."
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
The unidentified one is Karl von Einem. He was General of the German 3rd army in WWI. Led many campagnes and headed up the demobilization of the German army at the end of the war. Died, 1934. Thanks for your added research Toby!! I thought it may have been to commemorate those leaders but your idea of promotional propoganda seems more likely.
I also agree that the Crowned Prince's remarks probably landed him in lots of hot water.
Apr 18, 2013
Ron Cooper
Are there any tang stamps on the blades of this knife, Chuck? Cool looking knife, btw.
Apr 18, 2013
Tobias Gibson
World War I is what happens when three inbred first cousins become the leader of the most powerful nations in the world.
Chuck, out of curiosity did this knife and your Russian knife come from the same person?
Apr 18, 2013
Tobias Gibson
With the origin being determined as Russian, I'm really curious if the one impression is that of Swan wearing a crown, as in the Swan Princess in the Russian folk tale of Tsar Saltan?
I assume it could also be a knight's helmet but to me it looks like a swan standing on its feet, flapping its wings and wearing a crown. Having been chased by a flapping swan, I kind of know what they look like! LOL
Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
Toby, Here's a clearer image of the "swan" and the symbols on the knife handle.

Apr 18, 2013
Chuck Parham
Toby, In answer to your question, No. The German knife and the Russian knife did not come from the same person.
Apr 18, 2013
Smiling-Knife
Found this in an earlier thread that may help to identify the maker of your knife Chuck.
Reply by Jim Child on February 13, 2011 at 17:27
Update: Mostly through contributions made by actual Russians in the Blade and British Blade Forums I've learned that the "funky chicken" is actually a rooster -- the logo or mark of the October Works which had been located in the city of Vorsma in the province of Nizhny Novgorod located about 370 km east of Moscow and apprx 1,000 km west of the Ural Mtns. The October "company" produced all manner of tools during the years of the Soviet Union.
Apr 25, 2013
Jan Carter
This is one of my favorite places to come on iKC. The amount of knives that come through here and the amazing amount of knowledge that is utilized to identify and help is fantastic
Apr 25, 2013
Tobias Gibson
Speaking of info, while doing research on Camp knives I ran across an nice little primer on the New York Knife Company, makers of the First Official Boy Scouts of America knives. It is located at https://www.nysm.nysed.gov/research/anthropology/crsp/projects/ny_k...
Apr 25, 2013
Chuck Parham
That's great info to have. This has to be the best site I've found for research and a great group of people with so much to share. Just hope I'm able to help out as well with my limited experience. Thanks to Smiling-Knife and Jim Child!!
Apr 25, 2013
Chuck Parham
I want to extend a gracious thank you to Ivars Day, Smiling-Knife, Jim Child, and Tobias Gibson. They have all provided me with information that has completed my Russian knife mystery. I now now what knid of knife it is, where and approximately when it was manufactured, and the approximate cost at time of manufacture. Symbols and script had to be decyphered to obtain most of this information. I have assembled pictures and all this information into file so I can print it out whenever I do educational presentation programs. Again, thanks so much to the great people and for all they've done. iKC ROCKS!!!!!
Apr 26, 2013
Smiling-Knife
Your welcome. Happy to help.
Apr 26, 2013
Tobias Gibson
No need to thank me, Chuck. I enjoy researching this stuff.
Apr 26, 2013
Tobias Gibson
In case you missed it. Here is my "glowing" review of the Royal Crest Multi-Tool Camp Knife!
Apr 26, 2013
Chuck Parham
Latest garage sale find. Slim pickings today.

Apr 27, 2013
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Charles Sample
Chuck
I have the 2007 and 2008 limited editions. They were CHRISTmas presents from my daughter. You can see pictures of them in my photos.
Apr 27, 2013
Tobias Gibson
I've got the fish one!
Apr 27, 2013
Tobias Gibson
A little help identifying a "Swiss Style" USA made Imperial Camp/Ute:
Anyone know the model number of this knife. It is very similar to the DE-555 made in Ireland. The differences:
1) it isn't a "Diamond Edge" series.
2) It has a hump back spay blade missing on the DE-555
3) angle punch instead of flat punch.
Handles are imitation wood grain Delrin. Dates from the 1970s-Early 1980s. Tang Imperial (Crown) / Providence R.I. /USA
Need to Identify:
Compared to Diamond Edge DE-555
May 7, 2013
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Craig Henry
Geez Toby, I haven't seen one of those in forever! I remember seeing those in clam shell packaging hanging up in various stores on end displays, flashlight sections, etc. That's all I know about it. Not much. LOL!
May 7, 2013
Jan Carter
No help here but I will look around on line
May 9, 2013
Tobias Gibson
Jun 14, 2013
Featured
Craig Henry
I thank all those that serve. And it's easy for me to thank a Vet.................my son, a highly decorated Vet of the Gulf War.......here inspecting a knocked out Iraqi Tank that he and his Tank (Company Commander's Tank) took out......one of many.
Jun 14, 2013
Tobias Gibson
Not too many Colts in my collection OTTOMH, Two fixed blades and a rigging knife.
Jun 24, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Have you ever noticed that vintage German folding knives command a really decent price compared to their competition? While German folders hold their own, the German fixed blades are way under priced for knives of their quality.
The same knife company folders and fixed blades, one holds its value and the other goes so much cheaper than its counter parts. Examples are everywhere -- A Kissing Krane folder holds up a good price while their fix blade flounders in its price... and the list goes on and on.
I own several vintage fixed blades and several vintage folders, I see no reason for the big difference in their value.
I am trying to learn as much as I can about vintage knife prices. Their value and their value according to their condition.
I would love to hear from vintage knife collectors and sellers. Whatever info you have to help me will probably help alot of other collectors. Plus it will be very much appreciated.
Jun 24, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Steve, I think that the Colt knives are the best "in house' knives SMKW sells. I was really impressed with them.
Jun 25, 2013
Tobias Gibson
Robert, I still thing price wise, Rough Riders are better. Plus most of the Colt Stainless Fixed blades are 420 steel out of Pakistan. The Rough Riders are 440A out of China.
But I'll give Colt kudos. They make some really nice folders. And it is hard to argue with the Case Colt Collaborations.
Jun 25, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Well, I only have purchased a few Colts and they were the Moose patterns. Perhaps they were built special, but I'm telling they are very well made. I'll try dig one out and get a photo to show you the ones I'm talking about. Thanks for the info,
Jun 25, 2013
Ms Data
Today being a special day - June 30, 2013 - how many people can identify this roll of knives?
Jun 30, 2013
Clint Thompson
Autopsy tools.
Jun 30, 2013
Clint Thompson
It could be Gerber tools?
Jul 1, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Oh wow, Clint, I don't want any of those. They look well made, just not for me. Hey, how's the kids?
Jul 1, 2013
Clint Thompson
Robert...
The kids are good. Thanks for asking.
Jul 1, 2013
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Great, Clint. The Case folder with the pocket clip, I'm supposed to make a "Knife Review", has been with a big strong plumber for 6 months. I'm gonna ask him what he thinks about it. I may still, be able to make a great, knife review. Ha...Ha....
Jul 1, 2013
Clint Thompson
That would be great Robert.
Jul 1, 2013
Ms Data
Clint Thompson got it right!!!! Last night was the season premiere of the final season of Dexter on Showtime. That infamous tool roll is Dexter's personal set of the tools of his trade. Congratulations Clint.
Jul 1, 2013