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Ron, my friend- Short answer is NO---the. 17 or .22 refers to the diameter of the bullet-- Using the wrong caliber could be extremely dangerous- In this case, you would be using a smaller bullet size than recommended-- First, your bullet would not be contacting the rifling of the barrel ( spiral grooves) which spin the bullet on a straight path- The bullet could actually spin out of control and strike the side of the barrel resulting in a dangerous situation-NEVER USE anything other than the reccommended ammunition for your rifle-- In the case of your Ruger 10/22 - Use .22 LR-( Long Rifle) ammo- There are other.22 ammunition out there, as well.
.22 Shorts, and.22 longs, and.22 Mags-- Only use what your rifle was designed for- These other ammos have different lengths and power--Won't feed properly or may have other consequences--- Be safe !!
There was no Henry pistol (rifle yes) with a lever but a Volcanic and they used rimfire ammo. The idea of placing a priming compound in the rim of the cartridge evolved from an 1831 patent, which called for a thin case, coated all along the inside with priming compound. By 1845, this had evolved into the Flobert .22 BB Cap, in which the priming compound is distributed just inside the rim. The .22 BB Cap is essentially just a percussion cap with a round ball pressed in the front, and a rim to hold it securely in the chamber. Intended for use in an indoor "gallery" target rifle, it used no gunpowder, but relied entirely on the priming compound for propulsion. Its Velocities were very low, comparable to an airgun. The next rimfire cartridge was the .22 Short, developed forSmith and Wesson's first revolver, in 1857; it used a longer rimfire case and 4 grains (260 mg) of black powder to fire a conical bullet.
Larger rimfire calibers were used during the Civil War in the Henry Repeater, the Spencer Repeater, the Ballard rifle and the Frank Wesson carbine. While larger rimfire calibers were made, such as the, .30 rimfire, .32 rimfire, .38 rimfire .41 Short, the .44 Henry Flat devised for the famous Winchester 1866 carbine, up to the .58 Miller, the larger calibers were quickly replaced by centerfire versions.
One of the earliest efficient modern cartridge cases was the pinfire cartridge, developed by French gunsmith Casimir Lefaucheux in 1836...French gunsmith Benjamin Houllier improved the Lefaucheux pinfire cardboard-made cartridge and patented in Paris, in 1846, the first fully metallic cartridge containing powder (and a pinfire), in a metallic shell.[13][18] Houllier commercialised his weapons in association with the gunsmiths Blanchard or Charles Robert.[19][20] The 1846 Houllier cartridges were pinfire cartridges as still were the LeMat (1856) and Lefaucheux (1858) revolvers, both used during the American Civil War.
In the United States, in 1857, the Flobert cartridge inspired the .22 Short (another rimfire), especially conceived for the first American revolver using rimfire cartridges, the Smith & Wesson Model 1. A year before, in 1856, the LeMat was the first American (French-designed) breech-loading revolver, but it used pinfire cartridges, not rimfire. Formerly, an employee of theColt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, Rollin White, had been the first in America to conceive the idea of having the revolver cylinder bored through to accept metallic cartridges (circa 1852), but Samuel Colt refused this innovation. White left Colt, went to Smith & Wesson to rent a licence for his patent, and this is how the S&W Model 1 saw light of day in 1857. The patent didn't definitely expire until 1870
Berdan primers are named after their American inventor, Hiram Berdan of New York who invented his first variation of the Berdan primer and patented it on March 20, 1866...Meanwhile, Colonel Edward Mounier Boxer, of the Royal Arsenal, Woolwich, England was working on a primer cap design for cartridges, patenting it in England on October 13, 1866, and subsequently received a U.S. patent for his design on June 29, 1869 and that was the start of centerfires weapons.
I feel like I'm standing in front of a gun 7 step program group here. LOL.
Hi everyone, my name is Andy, and I spend too much $ on guns. Yesterday I joined because I was giddy about a new one I'm waiting to receive. Its a Uberti rolling block .22 magnum. I fell for the .22 magnum cartridge last year and I've been having a blast shooting a little Marlin bolt action .22 mag around the property every time I visit my folks. Probably could just stick to .22LR for cheaper, but i really like the extra snap that magnum has.
My last gun was a .22 lr. Its a Marlin model 60 in SS and plywood, its in the back of my SUV. Its the first new in box model 60 I've ever owned. I've had a few, but they all came in the $60 range in the used gun bin. I've never modded one, but this one had a plastic trigger guard, so I replaced that with an aluminum one I got off the net.
Today's carry piece is my little Beretta Bobcat. The one I usually carry is an FN-S9. I like the FN better than my Glock because of the thumb safety, which I find makes me feel so much more comfortable with that thing stuck down the back of my pants. My friend says that silly, but my Glock stays in the safe under the bed.
I like collecting carbines. I have a few good ones now. I'm always on the lookout for another one in pistol calibers. Right now the Chiappa M1 clone in 9 mm is what I'm constantly checking for.
I'm not one of those folks that is a vast source of knowledge about guns, ammo, and ballistics. I'm more of an enthusiast and a guy pestering y'all who do know this stuff with questions.
I like your post Andy. When you get it I would like to see a picture of that rolling block. The only .22 mag that I have is the magnum cylinder for my Ruger Single Six. Which BTW I leave in the Single Six because I have a S&W Model 317 Airlite .22 LR that I love to carry when out in the woods.
The 317 is an 8 shot with 3" barrel and adjustable sights. It is so light weight that I don't even feel it hanging on my hip. So far I have killed a groundhog, a possum, and 4 or 5 mice with it. Oh, and also a lizard. The groundhog, mice, and lizard were invading my deer shooting house which you can see part of in this picture. The groundhog was about a 25 yard shot.
I have never had a Model 60 but I do own a Marlin Golden 39A Mountie (1967 vintage).
I used to have a Beretta Minx .22 short and a Tomcat .32 auto. I forget what I traded the Minx in on but I traded the Tomcat for a Ruger LCP .380 which is now part of my EDC package. Another part of my EDC package is an S&W Airweight .38 snub.
I know how you feel about the Glock. No one has ever been able to satisfactorily explain to me what that safety on the trigger buys you. If someone or something pulls that trigger, the gun is going to fire just like my Ruger P97 which has no safety (decocker only). And if the trigger isn't pulled, the gun is not going to fire,again just like my P97. Now my Ruger P89 has a thumb safety and if the safety is on, the trigger can be pulled all day long and the gun will not fire. And on the P89, the safety is also a decocker.
Andy, ask all the questions you want. I am sure someone here will able to answer them and glad to do it.
I've been looking at one of those airweight snubbys. One of the guys in the shop has one and I like it a lot! I like that Marline lever action you've got. I bought a Marlin lever acction .30/30 when I was 14 and used it to kill my first deer. Last year I got a really nice Marlin lever action .44 magnum. I like that cartridge through a rifle. Its too stiff for me to do any good shooting it through a pistol though.
I've been looking to get a .357 lever action so I can carry a pistol and rifle of the same caliber and take deer with it. I have a couple of 9mm rifles, but those aren't for deer. Nice to have in a bug out bag though.
I got the Uberti in on Tuesday. What a neato little gun. My FIL also had a couple arrive this week. His was an old Stevens rolling block and a Remington model 12. Both are in suprisingly good shape and shootable right out of the box. The model 12 is one that has always brought a smile to my face. What a gun.
My little Uberti .22 mag shoots good too. No patterns yet, only a function type testing. Fun times. New guns.
OK. Here we go. The Uberti is mine, the others are my FIL's new .22's. We're really getting into the rolling and falling block style, but he couldn't pass up that model 12 looking almost perfect and all...
Tickled to death that you loved the suggestions for a 10/22 that Charles, Hog, and I gave you.. It is a dang fine rifle and has an almost infinite number of modifications available if you ever choose to do so. IMHO, hard to beat in it's present configuration.
Be sure to check out Kidd, or Volquartsen for a trigger that will make that 1022 really really fun to shoot! My Kidd trigger cost almost as much as the rifle, but it is ajustable (I have mine set at 2 lbs) and came with a mag release lever that really improves the rifle too.
I have the single stage Kidd trigger on the other 10/22 with the mag release extention lever, and love it. Dylan says the volquartsen is better though...
Spent some time with Josh this morning and you should see the sales. One of the things that impesses me is if it is on thier website it is available online. With as much as they have here in the store, it is a small percentage of what is online. Got some pics to share some for here and a few for the rep weekend discussion
I would like to thank you for the invite to join your group and am pleased to do so. If I may a little bit of background about myself. I am a NRA Life member as well as a Chief Range Safety Officer, Rifle Instructor, Pistol Instructor, Shotgun Instructor, Metallic and Shotgun Reloading Instructor. I owned a Sporting Goods store in Lake Worth, Fl for 24 years and was a licensed gunsmith for 28 years. Now that sounds like I am tooting my own horn it was meant just the opposite. I just wanted folks to know where I was coming from when I make a comment. I have Parkinson's Disease so my Hunting is limited nowdays but I still get some in. I have been reloading for many years and still enjoy that very much. I collect Thompson Contenders, Lever Action Rifles, and some bull barrel sniper rifles. At this point I will shut up and once again thank you very much for your invitation to join your group.
James, thank you for joining the group! I am extremely happy to have people with your knowledge and expertise in the group. I look forward to reading your posts.
If you like lever action rifles, here is one I think you will like.
I like that. I just dont understand fear of an object, the object cannot hurt you, it is the person with no value for human life that can hurt you whether he/she has a rock, a knife or a gun
Remington is recalling Model 887 pump shotguns because they may slam fire. Owners are urged to stop using them until the problem is corrected. Details at this link.
If you have a family member or friend that has firearms but is not an NRA member, now is a good time to sign them up. Right now the NRA is offering gift memberships for $20. Normal cost is $35. The NRA is not perfect but it is the strongest voice we have to preserve our Second Amendment rights.
Bob Robinson
Jul 25, 2014
In Memoriam
John McCain
Ron, my friend- Short answer is NO---the. 17 or .22 refers to the diameter of the bullet-- Using the wrong caliber could be extremely dangerous- In this case, you would be using a smaller bullet size than recommended-- First, your bullet would not be contacting the rifling of the barrel ( spiral grooves) which spin the bullet on a straight path- The bullet could actually spin out of control and strike the side of the barrel resulting in a dangerous situation-NEVER USE anything other than the reccommended ammunition for your rifle-- In the case of your Ruger 10/22 - Use .22 LR-( Long Rifle) ammo- There are other.22 ammunition out there, as well.
.22 Shorts, and.22 longs, and.22 Mags-- Only use what your rifle was designed for- These other ammos have different lengths and power--Won't feed properly or may have other consequences--- Be safe !!
Sep 15, 2014
Shlomo ben Maved
There was no Henry pistol (rifle yes) with a lever but a Volcanic and they used rimfire ammo.
The idea of placing a priming compound in the rim of the cartridge evolved from an 1831 patent, which called for a thin case, coated all along the inside with priming compound.
By 1845, this had evolved into the Flobert .22 BB Cap, in which the priming compound is distributed just inside the rim. The .22 BB Cap is essentially just a percussion cap with a round ball pressed in the front, and a rim to hold it securely in the chamber. Intended for use in an indoor "gallery" target rifle, it used no gunpowder, but relied entirely on the priming compound for propulsion. Its Velocities were very low, comparable to an airgun. The next rimfire cartridge was the .22 Short, developed forSmith and Wesson's first revolver, in 1857; it used a longer rimfire case and 4 grains (260 mg) of black powder to fire a conical bullet.
Larger rimfire calibers were used during the Civil War in the Henry Repeater, the Spencer Repeater, the Ballard rifle and the Frank Wesson carbine. While larger rimfire calibers were made, such as the, .30 rimfire, .32 rimfire, .38 rimfire .41 Short, the .44 Henry Flat devised for the famous Winchester 1866 carbine, up to the .58 Miller, the larger calibers were quickly replaced by centerfire versions.
One of the earliest efficient modern cartridge cases was the pinfire cartridge, developed by French gunsmith Casimir Lefaucheux in 1836...French gunsmith Benjamin Houllier improved the Lefaucheux pinfire cardboard-made cartridge and patented in Paris, in 1846, the first fully metallic cartridge containing powder (and a pinfire), in a metallic shell.[13][18] Houllier commercialised his weapons in association with the gunsmiths Blanchard or Charles Robert.[19][20] The 1846 Houllier cartridges were pinfire cartridges as still were the LeMat (1856) and Lefaucheux (1858) revolvers, both used during the American Civil War.
In the United States, in 1857, the Flobert cartridge inspired the .22 Short (another rimfire), especially conceived for the first American revolver using rimfire cartridges, the Smith & Wesson Model 1. A year before, in 1856, the LeMat was the first American (French-designed) breech-loading revolver, but it used pinfire cartridges, not rimfire. Formerly, an employee of theColt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, Rollin White, had been the first in America to conceive the idea of having the revolver cylinder bored through to accept metallic cartridges (circa 1852), but Samuel Colt refused this innovation. White left Colt, went to Smith & Wesson to rent a licence for his patent, and this is how the S&W Model 1 saw light of day in 1857. The patent didn't definitely expire until 1870
Berdan primers are named after their American inventor, Hiram Berdan of New York who invented his first variation of the Berdan primer and patented it on March 20, 1866...Meanwhile, Colonel Edward Mounier Boxer, of the Royal Arsenal, Woolwich, England was working on a primer cap design for cartridges, patenting it in England on October 13, 1866, and subsequently received a U.S. patent for his design on June 29, 1869 and that was the start of centerfires weapons.
Sep 15, 2014
Shlomo ben Maved
One thing I forgot to mention -- .22 rimfire is a .224 while .22 centerfire is .223 and they are NOT compatible between cartridges.
Sep 15, 2014
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Charles Sample
Great post Shlomo! Thanks guys, I like to see good posts like this.
Sep 15, 2014
Andrew Roy
I feel like I'm standing in front of a gun 7 step program group here. LOL.
Hi everyone, my name is Andy, and I spend too much $ on guns. Yesterday I joined because I was giddy about a new one I'm waiting to receive. Its a Uberti rolling block .22 magnum. I fell for the .22 magnum cartridge last year and I've been having a blast shooting a little Marlin bolt action .22 mag around the property every time I visit my folks. Probably could just stick to .22LR for cheaper, but i really like the extra snap that magnum has.
My last gun was a .22 lr. Its a Marlin model 60 in SS and plywood, its in the back of my SUV. Its the first new in box model 60 I've ever owned. I've had a few, but they all came in the $60 range in the used gun bin. I've never modded one, but this one had a plastic trigger guard, so I replaced that with an aluminum one I got off the net.
Today's carry piece is my little Beretta Bobcat. The one I usually carry is an FN-S9. I like the FN better than my Glock because of the thumb safety, which I find makes me feel so much more comfortable with that thing stuck down the back of my pants. My friend says that silly, but my Glock stays in the safe under the bed.
I like collecting carbines. I have a few good ones now. I'm always on the lookout for another one in pistol calibers. Right now the Chiappa M1 clone in 9 mm is what I'm constantly checking for.
I'm not one of those folks that is a vast source of knowledge about guns, ammo, and ballistics. I'm more of an enthusiast and a guy pestering y'all who do know this stuff with questions.
Sep 17, 2014
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Charles Sample
I like your post Andy. When you get it I would like to see a picture of that rolling block. The only .22 mag that I have is the magnum cylinder for my Ruger Single Six. Which BTW I leave in the Single Six because I have a S&W Model 317 Airlite .22 LR that I love to carry when out in the woods.
The 317 is an 8 shot with 3" barrel and adjustable sights. It is so light weight that I don't even feel it hanging on my hip. So far I have killed a groundhog, a possum, and 4 or 5 mice with it. Oh, and also a lizard. The groundhog, mice, and lizard were invading my deer shooting house which you can see part of in this picture. The groundhog was about a 25 yard shot.
I have never had a Model 60 but I do own a Marlin Golden 39A Mountie (1967 vintage).
I used to have a Beretta Minx .22 short and a Tomcat .32 auto. I forget what I traded the Minx in on but I traded the Tomcat for a Ruger LCP .380 which is now part of my EDC package. Another part of my EDC package is an S&W Airweight .38 snub.
I know how you feel about the Glock. No one has ever been able to satisfactorily explain to me what that safety on the trigger buys you. If someone or something pulls that trigger, the gun is going to fire just like my Ruger P97 which has no safety (decocker only). And if the trigger isn't pulled, the gun is not going to fire,again just like my P97. Now my Ruger P89 has a thumb safety and if the safety is on, the trigger can be pulled all day long and the gun will not fire. And on the P89, the safety is also a decocker.
Andy, ask all the questions you want. I am sure someone here will able to answer them and glad to do it.
Sep 17, 2014
Andrew Roy
I've been looking at one of those airweight snubbys. One of the guys in the shop has one and I like it a lot! I like that Marline lever action you've got. I bought a Marlin lever acction .30/30 when I was 14 and used it to kill my first deer. Last year I got a really nice Marlin lever action .44 magnum. I like that cartridge through a rifle. Its too stiff for me to do any good shooting it through a pistol though.
I've been looking to get a .357 lever action so I can carry a pistol and rifle of the same caliber and take deer with it. I have a couple of 9mm rifles, but those aren't for deer. Nice to have in a bug out bag though.
Sep 18, 2014
Keith Baker Sr
Sep 24, 2014
Andrew Roy
I got the Uberti in on Tuesday. What a neato little gun. My FIL also had a couple arrive this week. His was an old Stevens rolling block and a Remington model 12. Both are in suprisingly good shape and shootable right out of the box. The model 12 is one that has always brought a smile to my face. What a gun.
My little Uberti .22 mag shoots good too. No patterns yet, only a function type testing. Fun times. New guns.
Sep 25, 2014
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Charles Sample
Andrew, breathlessly awaiting pics! LOL
Sep 25, 2014
Andrew Roy
OK. Here we go. The Uberti is mine, the others are my FIL's new .22's. We're really getting into the rolling and falling block style, but he couldn't pass up that model 12 looking almost perfect and all...
Sep 26, 2014
Andrew Roy
Una mas.
Sep 26, 2014
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Charles Sample
Andrew, you are getting my keyboard all wet from the drool! Those are really nice.
Sep 26, 2014
In Memoriam
John McCain
Tickled to death that you loved the suggestions for a 10/22 that Charles, Hog, and I gave you.. It is a dang fine rifle and has an almost infinite number of modifications available if you ever choose to do so. IMHO, hard to beat in it's present configuration.
Sep 27, 2014
Andrew Roy
Be sure to check out Kidd, or Volquartsen for a trigger that will make that 1022 really really fun to shoot! My Kidd trigger cost almost as much as the rifle, but it is ajustable (I have mine set at 2 lbs) and came with a mag release lever that really improves the rifle too.
Sep 29, 2014
Andrew Roy
I picked up a takedown 10/22 yesterday. So now I've got to go get a good trigger for it. Too bad the stock trigger is junk.
Oct 2, 2014
Andrew Roy
I have the single stage Kidd trigger on the other 10/22 with the mag release extention lever, and love it. Dylan says the volquartsen is better though...
Oct 3, 2014
Jan Carter
It is that time of year Ammo & Shooting deals
Oct 4, 2014
Bob Robinson
Anyone tested a Ruger SR22? How about a S&W .22 M&P?
Oct 6, 2014
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Charles Sample
Steve, are you thinking about getting a Henry for Henry?
Oct 10, 2014
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Charles Sample
Ron, are you firing the 10-22 when you set the safety?
Oct 10, 2014
Jan Carter
Spent some time with Josh this morning and you should see the sales. One of the things that impesses me is if it is on thier website it is available online. With as much as they have here in the store, it is a small percentage of what is online. Got some pics to share some for here and a few for the rep weekend discussion
Oct 18, 2014
Jan Carter
Oct 18, 2014
Jan Carter
Oct 18, 2014
Jan Carter
Thinking christmas for that young first shooter?
Oct 18, 2014
James Roberson
Charles,
I would like to thank you for the invite to join your group and am pleased to do so. If I may a little bit of background about myself. I am a NRA Life member as well as a Chief Range Safety Officer, Rifle Instructor, Pistol Instructor, Shotgun Instructor, Metallic and Shotgun Reloading Instructor. I owned a Sporting Goods store in Lake Worth, Fl for 24 years and was a licensed gunsmith for 28 years. Now that sounds like I am tooting my own horn it was meant just the opposite. I just wanted folks to know where I was coming from when I make a comment. I have Parkinson's Disease so my Hunting is limited nowdays but I still get some in. I have been reloading for many years and still enjoy that very much. I collect Thompson Contenders, Lever Action Rifles, and some bull barrel sniper rifles. At this point I will shut up and once again thank you very much for your invitation to join your group.
Oct 19, 2014
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Charles Sample
James, thank you for joining the group! I am extremely happy to have people with your knowledge and expertise in the group. I look forward to reading your posts.
If you like lever action rifles, here is one I think you will like.
http://iknifecollector.com/group/ikc-arsenal/forum/topics/new-membe...
Oct 19, 2014
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Charles Sample
Getting it in there, Ron!
Nov 1, 2014
Charles mulleni/
How does one post pictures to arsenal?
Nov 10, 2014
Charles mulleni/
Nov 13, 2014
Charles mulleni/
Some of the guns I like to shoot interarms silver cup .45, ar7 .22 and HK 91 .308
Nov 13, 2014
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Charles Sample
Nice ones Charles.
Our muzzleloader season opens Nov. 17 and regular gun season Nov. 22.
Nov 13, 2014
Jan Carter
Sooo, how many folks here will have some of their own hunting skills on the table on Thursday?
Nov 25, 2014
Ken Spielvogel
Joyce always has a platter of Deer steaks along with the Turkey. The men love it.
Nov 25, 2014
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Charles Sample
I will have some deer also.
Nov 25, 2014
Bob Robinson
Nov 25, 2014
Jan Carter
Nice. Sounds like some good venison going on
Nov 25, 2014
Tobias Gibson
Jan, I was hunting Apple Pies and bagged a nice one at the local mart!
Nov 26, 2014
Bob Robinson
Nov 26, 2014
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Charles Sample
I like that Steve, so true.
Nov 26, 2014
Jan Carter
Tobias, I bagged a pumpkin pie in the same manner! Enjoy
Nov 27, 2014
Jan Carter
Steve,
I like that. I just dont understand fear of an object, the object cannot hurt you, it is the person with no value for human life that can hurt you whether he/she has a rock, a knife or a gun
Nov 27, 2014
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Jeremy B. Buchanan
I had a little bit of deer meat today, after my Thanksgiving dinner. It sure was tasty. Hog - That is a great post.
Nov 27, 2014
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Charles Sample
Remington is recalling Model 887 pump shotguns because they may slam fire. Owners are urged to stop using them until the problem is corrected. Details at this link.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/11/30/stop-there-remington-shotguns-...
Dec 2, 2014
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Charles Sample
If you have a family member or friend that has firearms but is not an NRA member, now is a good time to sign them up. Right now the NRA is offering gift memberships for $20. Normal cost is $35. The NRA is not perfect but it is the strongest voice we have to preserve our Second Amendment rights.
Here is the link to sign them up.
http://graphics.nra.org/wayne/vision_2015.html
Dec 10, 2014
Terry F.
Dec 30, 2014
Bob Robinson
Dec 30, 2014
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Jeremy B. Buchanan
Nice gun Steve! You are a well deserving guy. Glad you were able to get something nice for Christmas.
Dec 30, 2014
Jan Carter
Hog, Congrats! Well someone was listening to what you wanted!
Dec 30, 2014