Ron,

I like the Quote

“Following the February 2014 reclassification of the CZ 858 rifles and Swiss Arms family of firearms, our Government committed to take action to ensure that the property rights of affected individuals were restored. These changes honour that commitment, our government will always stand-up for law-abiding hunters, farmers and sport shooters.”

The Honourable Steven Blaney, Canada’s Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada

The good guys win another one!

http://freebeacon.com/issues/dc-agrees-to-pay-legal-fees-of-plainti...

This is one example of why it is often legal and appropriate to shoot an "unarmed" man.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/08/cop-beaten-unconscious-in-effort-to...

Right Charles !  Just because he was not holding a gun did not mean he was not dangerous

I do understand, as with any profession, there are bad apples.  But in most cases, I FEEL, the officer has a duty to protect the citizens and himself.  Second guessing if they are capable of making that decision should be happening during the hiring and training phase...not once they are on the street 

hmmmm, seems like a HUGE tax dollar waste to me

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - 8/06/15

The city of Honolulu will destroy $500,000 worth of old police guns instead of selling them to other law enforcement agencies or Honolulu police officers.

HPD has replaced more than 2,300 of its old handguns with new lighter, cheaper guns. Many police officers said those old guns still have value and should not be thrown away but sold or donated to be re-used instead.

Since 1990, Honolulu police officers have used Smith & Wesson 9 millimeter handguns and the city has replaced them with lighter and easier-to-use Glock 17s that cost about half as much as the Smith & Wessons. 

Hawaii News Now has learned that the city plans to destroy about 2,300 of the old Smith & Wessons in the next few weeks, including 200 of them that are brand new and still in their boxes.

"I don't understand the thinking of the administration as to getting rid of these guns when we could benefit from the recycling, as long as there are safeguards," said Honolulu City Council Budget Chair Ann Kobayashi.

In a statement, HPD said, "Mayor Caldwell and the Honolulu Police Department agreed that they would not allow the guns to be sold to the general public and end up on the streets of Honolulu.  The same goes for selling individual gun parts that could have been used to assemble a gun." 

Police discussed a number of options with city lawyers and budget officials, including selling the old guns with no restrictions on their future use which would have brought in $250 each or about $575,000.

Another option was selling them with the restriction that they could only be purchased by law enforcement, a move that would have generated $150 for each firearm or about $345,000.

Selling the guns for parts would have garnered about $100 for each gun, bringing the city $230,000.

The city said Smith and Wesson was not interested in taking back the old guns for credit as the company has in the past because the city was purchasing new guns from its competitor.

HPD officers said many of them were willing to buy back their old guns from the department, even going through a vendor for liability reasons, something that happens across the country.

"That way it releases the city and the police department from liability and they don't want the department to be in the business of selling weapons," said HNN law enforcement expert Tommy Aiu, who spent 30 years at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and has taught criminal justice at the college level.

The city budget department decided its rules do not allow HPD to sell any of the weapons to its officers, even though the department did that in the past, HPD said.

A police statement said neighbor island police departments use Smith & Wessons but they too are planning to replace them in the future and don't want any more.

But the state sheriffs division -- which also uses the Smith & Wessons -- hasn't heard from HPD with a donation offer.

American Samoa initially expressed an interest in acquiring about 250 of the guns, but HPD said following a change in administration there, the new administration is no longer interested.

“The only remaining option is to destroy the guns so they don’t end up on the street,” HPD said in a statement.

HPD could not immediately say Wednesday how much money the disposal of the guns will cost.

The department refused to allow Hawaii News Now to photograph the guns, which are being kept in a vault at HPD headquarters, citing “security reasons.”  HPD also refused to release a photo of the guns.

Copyright 2015 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved. 

This from another forum:

The people, or a portion thereof, should sue for breach fiduciary responsibility. Those guns belong to the people of that jurisdiction, who have been taxed at great expense so they could be entrusted to a police department which has been jealously lent a small portion of the peoples' authority. Those resources belong to the taxpayer, and the government has a responsibility to sell them for the highest possible price, in trust for those taxpayers. This isn't just mismanagement, it's open rebellion against the people.

Another coverage:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/31/anti-gun-stupidity-honol...

Hey do any of our hunters use orange vests for their dogs?  I need to get Case one so if he goes for a walk he is seen by hunters

I ended up with one of these

It appears to be easy to place on him when he is trying to get out to the woods

One day I want to go do this

NRA Whittington Center
Raton, NM
September 19-26, 2015
$1,500

The NRA Whittington Center is without a doubt the finest shooting complex in the nation. Its 33,000 acres are nested among the scenic western mountains and high mesa country of New Mexico. While staying at the Whittington Center, you'll share a room in the Competitor Housing Complex, eat in the dining facility and anticipate the unscheduled early morning and evening escapades of the deer, elk and antelope that call the Center home. Food, housing, guns, ammunition, targets, classes, evening activities, instructors, demonstrations and adventures are all included in the fee.

For more information, contact us at (800) 672-7435 opt 4 or email wwe@nrahq.org.

Oh man!  I would love to be able to do that someday too, Jan!

For you I-40 to Amarillo then north to Clayton, NM where you go west to Raton. It is 7 hours from OKC. I have been through Raton many times but never to the NRA center. Some day I will. I may be old and in a motorized wheel chair but I will go.

NO comment!!!

https://www.facebook.com/Orbita92.9FM/videos/883082595052782/

https://www.facebook.com/waternwoods/videos/449664861888108/

Jan, that is hilarious!  ROFL

How do you prepare your equipment for the season?

Are we losing valuable hunting skills as technology advances?

Most of those I would have thought of a basic...Are we losing the skills?

I think most hunters today don't have the hunting skills the old timers did.  Today we have scopes on high powered rifles that enable us to shoot game at 200, 300 yards or even more.  We have range finders that can tell us to the yard how far away the game is.  Our trail cameras tell us when and where the deer frequent.

The old timers had to get closer because they used iron sights and didn't have as high powered rifles   They had to gauge the distance to the game themselves.  And they had to find the deer by scouting.

I do think that was the point of the article.  But if you had to scout, find gauge the distance yourself and use an iron sight, could you? 

I have used iron sights a lot.  Although I probably am not as good as I used to be due to my eyesight not being as good as it used to be.  I think I probably am at least as good as most hunters today at scouting.  When it comes to judging distance I feel I am probably a little better than most hunters today..  i don't use a range finder.  The closest I have to a range finder is a fence that I have marked at 50 yard intervals.

They also used blackpowder and flintlocks and many a hunter got skunked back then as well.

Anything that aids in the humane kill of the stalked animal is a benefit whether that be scopes, rangefinders, GPS etc.

Back in the mid 1900s writers like O'Conner, Keith, Johnson etc. were extolling the virtues of the then, primitive, optics that fogged up, crosswires snapped, dials seized up,

I can't use iron sights now--my sight has been deteriorating in old age.  10M air rifle range no problem, 100 yd deer, deer clear but there are no sights, blurred out completely. 

As to judging range it takes practice.  I'm usually within 25 to 50 yds of the actual distance (laser)  within 400 yds but that is about the farthest range we hunt at and I'm doing it for months on end.  Varmints we use rangefinders as we're taking shots out past 1,000 yds.

Take a full size deer target out to 50 yds and then walk back and photograph it.  Do so at 50 yd intervals until you get to 300 yds--or whatever range is your maximum--and study them.  Do so with your riflescope set at a constant power, say 6x, and see how the target looks at each distance.  Sight is like muscle memory--repetition works. 

I have nothing against modern technology.  I use scopes on my .30-06, my muzzleloader, my crossbow, and my 10/22.  Also right now I have three trail cameras out.  I have two shooting houses, two ladder stands, and a portable ground blind.  I don't have a range finder because I don't need one.  All of my stand positions are fixed and I have various range markers at each of them.  For example one of my shooting houses sits in a corner of the property.  I have about a 10 yard open shooting lane to the next corner 215 yards away.  I have flagged the fence that runs along the property line at 50 yard intervals.  So I can tell within a few yards of the distance to any deer that appears in that area just by looking at it.  I only killed one deer last year.  It was a 150 yard shot with my muzzleloader.  I knew it was 150 yards before I fired because of my marker on the fence.

I have a Marlin Golden 39A Mountie (1967 vintage).  I don't have a scope on it.  A scope would just mess up its handling qualities too much to suit me.  I did put an aperture receiver sight on it.  That way I only have to worry about the front sight.

Another rifle I have that I will never put a scope on is my Model 1873 Winchester.

Well to throw in my 2 cents, I read many of the member's comments. Each and everyone had good points. Me, I have one rifle with a scope, Ruger M77 (one of the first) in .270 win. I use this from Elk to Chipmunks...sorry Alvin. I also have a Sheridan 5mm air rifle with a scope because the sights were horrible. I hunt small game with this weapon. The other 16 or so long guns have iron sights. I prefer the iron sights to the optical sights.

I grew up hunting and trapping. The fun in the hunt is the stalk and not the kill. Other than a Coyote I took at 260 yards, I stalk to within a 100 yards before I shoot. If I was out on the flat plains I would have some problems there.

I don't have a rangefinder or even marked fence posts. I know my rifle and ammo and how it performs within that 100 yards.

I do have a crossbow with a scope as well. It is a 180 pound pull with a 2 power optic. I like this as I can make 80 to 100 yard shots with great penetration. I don't like to shoot that far as 60 to 80 is better.

Okay there is my 2 cents plus 48 more. 

Wow Clint, I thought my 150 pound pull crossbow was a lot.  I like to limit my crossbow shots to around 50 yards.  I hunted yesterday and the one deer I saw at one point was only ten feet from me.  I didn't shoot it.

Also Clint, you reminded me that I have a Ruger air rifle with a scope on it.

With the 180 pound pull I have a 4 inch drop at 50 yards. Using the crossbow rated target, at 50 yards the bolt drives to within one inch of the fletchings. This makes for fun in pulling the bolt out.

just thought i would let you all know about the auction

COLT, WINCHESTER, RANDALL, LOVELESS, CUSTOM GUN & KNIFE AUCTION

Approximately 300 people and 1 million deer are killed every year in deer-vehicle collisions. Would a deer car whistle have prevented the accident? Insurance companies estimate vehicle damage at 1 Billion dollars a year!.State police and insurance companies also believe many accidents with deer are never reported.

We were having a discussion about this in the chat tonight...Do deer whistles work to keep them from running out in front of you?

A large Sheriff Office in Kansas, reduced their vehicle-deer accidents by 80%. I had them on my truck when I lived in Kansas. I never saw a deer when I would see them all the time without the whistles. Once I was going down a paved country road and a farm dog ran out of a shelter belt to chase my vehicle. When the dog reached the ditch he rolled around on the ground directly being effected by the deer whistle. The SO figured the vehicle had to be going45 to 50 mph for it to work. In Colorado on the mountain roads the whistle did not work when I was driving 30 to 40 mph.

There have been studies performed to evaluate whether deer whistles were effective at preventing deer-vehicle collisions (DVC).  To date the results of all of these studies were either inconclusive or found that whistles did not result in reduced DVC's.

I received this is an email todayMetro halts gun shows at Nashville fairgrounds

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(Photo: Getty Images)In a win for gun control advocates, Metro took unprecedented action Tuesday to end the 35-year tradition of holding gun shows at the city-owned Fairgrounds Nashville until operators of the events accept new rules.

Citing three recent criminal cases in Nashville that link guns purchased at the fairgrounds to felons, the Metro Board of Fair Commissioners voted 3-0, with one member abstaining, to terminate future gun shows at the fairgrounds after fulfilling any existing contracts with show operators.
The fair board plans to later adopt new safety measures and other rules that would govern any future gun shows at the fairgrounds before deciding whether to continue hosting such events.

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THE TENNESSEAN

Fair board: Mayor played no role in gun show vote

The board's action means Bill Goodman's Gun and Knife Shows, which has rented space in the fairgrounds since the 1970s, will still hold an already scheduled set of gun shows at The Fairgrounds Nashville on Saturday and Sunday. But the board canceled future events more than 30 days away. The action affects Goodman’s gun shows as well as events put on by RK Gun Show, a separate gun show operator that rents space at the fairgrounds.
“We’re responsible for this facility and the activity that goes on here,” said fair board chairman Ned Horton, who was among the three commissioners to vote for the halt. He said that he believes there’s clearly been inappropriate activity at fairgrounds gun shows that needs to be controlled.
“Based on what I’m seeing here — we’re not trial judges, but we do have information in the court system — it seems to me that our promoter, or our promoters, have not been good stewards of our property.”

Here is a win for the Second Amendment.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151127/president-obama-signs-nra-...

Win a Henry!

http://huntinglife.com/2015-henry-rifle-givaway/#/

Why don't we replace all Gun Free Zone signs with Defenseless Victim Zone signs.  They both say exactly the same thing!  And who knows.  Someone who never thought about it before might realize what he is letting himself in for and not enter the zone.  And might just save himself from the next terrorist shooting!

A female co-worker of mine has a son who likes to bow hunt deer. He is 22 and hasn't hunted in several years. He decided to give it a try this year, so he went to the woods around 3:45 last Friday. He decided to stay on the ground instead of climbing the tree stand. Less than 30 minutes later, he called his dad to help him drag this guy out of the woods. Not bad for 30 minutes in the woods eh? 

Very nice buck Jeremy.  I would sure like to get one like that in my sights!

I saw this image on Facebook.   I'm sure it was posted to show that Gun deaths are lower than non gun deaths, which is interesting,  

However, in the small print it says the number one weapon used in Violent Crimes was a baseball bat.   Which begs the question:  aluminum or wood?

And a more serious question.  Do you have a baseball bat in your arsenal.  I have  a 24 inch T-Ball Bat.   Its aluminum.   I probably need to upgrade to something with more reach.

On a side note,  Al Capone's preferred weapon was a Louisville Slugger. According to legend, if someone crossed him he would call them into his office.   When the person showed up the  floor and furniture would be covered with drop-cloths and he'd make the excuse that the place was being re-painted.  Capone would get the get the guy a drink, maybe offer him a cigar, maybe even give him a bonus for a job well done.   Then as the person was about to leave, Capone's henchmen would grab him, and Capone would beat his brains out with the bat.   Then the  body would be rolled up with the drop-cloths and disposed of.   Apparently he'd also sometimes call a person in with the drop cloths laid out just to scare the crap out of the guy.   What a sense of humor!

Thanks for joining the Arsenal Jay.  I live in a town of only about 20,000 but I deer hunt just five miles from my house.  And I see lots of deer.  So far this season I have killed one but seen over 50.

WOW RON!  Great day and going to make a fantastic dinner

Way to go Ron!  I used to hunt pheasant when I lived in Kansas.

Nice shootin' Ron !! Just curious, is there a daily limit on pheasants in Canada??

Here in Illinois, we are limited to 2 a day.

Nice Ron.

Nice Bag Ron ... do you shoot over a dog? If so what breed? (I've got a couple of Brittanys who would love to be in on that sort of action.)

OK Ron now you need a lab!