Smoky Mountain Knife Works currently owns the Trademark for Colt Knives. They make them in the same factories they use for Rough Riders and several other house brands. Most of the fixed blades are made with 420j2 stainless, and most of the folders use 440a. Im not sure what steel is used on the titanium coated blades. Same factories also make the Chinese made Remington. I'm not sure if their is connection between Colt and United, other than they probably share manufacturing facilities in China. Elk Ridge is a United Brand.
Back in the 90,s Colt was a united brand. the knives were made in taiwan,germany and the us.the steel used was either 440 c or 420j2.SMKW now owns the colt trademark and has expanded the line
My thought on the Colt line is this. SMKW is trying to use the line as sort of a upscale version of Rough Riders. They seem to do the same thing with the Marbles TM. As far as I'm concerned, I'll stick to RR unless I can only find the knife in the other two brands. The quality of the Colt Folders is a little better than the RRs but I'm not sure if that quality translates to the higher price tag. I know the quality of Marbles knives is about the same as that of RRs and the price tag will need to be lower before I guy the Marbles five inch toothpicks. I'm not paying an extra $6 for fake leather pouch I'm not going to use and the marbles blade etch.
I have two Colt Fixed blades. Both a re decent enough knives, especially in the looks department but the blades are 420j2 Stainless. I think if I get other Colt fixed blades (which is doubtful), I'll have to go with the Damascus blades.
In the end, I'd say the Chinese made Colt and Marble's knives are decent enough for the price but if you can find a similar style in Rough Rider then you'll get a similar quality knife for a better price. (Same for the Chinese made Remingtons)
One thing that turns me off about the Colts is the corny looking (to me) BIG "C" on the front bolsters. Now the Colt "Signature" series I would definitely consider buying.....those look nice.
I got my new RR Yellow Trapper. Just as nice as my Case Yellow Trapper...and I could get 6-7 for the same price! I freakin love Rough Rider knives!
Another person who took the challenge and discovered what they've missing. Drew, take a look at "Case Vs. Rough Rider at Rough Rider Reviews. You're not alone.
Thank you for the welcome! I am one of the bigger advocates for Rough Riders, and should have come here before this!! While my collecting has been somewhat curtailed by my economic situation, my enthusiasm thas not! I am looking for great topics of conversation for my favorite off-shore knives!!
I really, really, really wish they'd bring out a line of kinves with"cracked ice" handles..........really. They can start with the baby barehead Trapper, mini Trapper, and standard Trapper.........please and thank you. Then, they can do some in ebony wood......that would be cool........to me.
I for one would rather see something other than acrylic/celluloid/plastic. Not a big fan. But I do have to admit, I've bought the Synth stones in the past and would buy more.
Talking about new knives this year has anyone seen a RR moose patern knife before? I have looked all over and can't find one. I guess none were ever made.
I know about the Colt moose knives, infact I own some, I meant the Rough Rider line.I don't think they made one. I like that idea "Bull Moose" it better be something special.
Craig said "A Teddy Roosevelt "Bull Moose" Moose knife seems like a natural."
My actual suggestion was to have it be a commemorative and to sell it in a display that included one of the Teddy Roosevelt Coins to be issued in 2013 by the U.S. Mint. That coin should be released around the middle of May, 2013. which would put the knife/coin combo ready in time for the Christmas rush. Seems to me it belongs with the Rough Rider line. But I'd guess if they don't snag it, someone over at Cutlery Corner will!
Wouldn't hurt for a few other people to mention it to Mr. Koontz at SMKW. I think he'd be a person who could make it happen.
I've seen a variety knives refered to as "Moose" some in swell center, humpback , equal-end/cigar and serpentine.
My opinion (and it is just that) is the Moose is a large, thick frame knife (four inches or more) with a large clip blade at the top and a large spay blade at the bottom. Normally the blades operate on their own springs and have a space between them (but not always).
As the RR is just 3.5 inches closed, I consider a somewhat puny Moose or a Moosling.
(PS, the Boker Moose pattern has clip and spear blade and often a swell or serpentine handle... The Case moose is built on the #75 frame -a square end serpentine frame)
Thanks for educating me more on the Moose pattern. It seems the more I understand something comes along that changes things. Keeps it interesting for sure. Very happy to be in the forums.
I just recently stopped carrying a Rough Rider Scout Knife. All in all I think Rough Riders make great EDCs (as well as collectibles). My only problem was I seem to need a Phillips screwdriver an awful lot these days, and I wanted it to be an in-line Phillips. More and more I was also wishing I had a small flashlight. As much as I liked the Scout Knife, I had to leave it behind for the Victorinox Swiss Army Spartan Lite. I miss the inline punch of the Scout knife but I’ll just have to deal with the back mounted one of the SAK.
This knife:
Was just replaced with this knife:
The RR cost about $10-15. The SAK was a steal at $25. Going price is $35-50! Was my RR lacking? Only once or so in a blue moon. Thus it really was a good all around EDC.
That said there are still several RR that are my Sunday go to Meetin' knives. Among them, my Toothpicks. Nothing like a Stoneworx Toothpick for a Sunday meeting. (The one on the right is for big important meetings.)
I am new to this group. I have made one purchase a rough rider painted desert muskrat (RR1003) . I picked this knife in part because I want to try out the pattern. However, I also found a website hand-tools.com that has a great selection of knives. They also offer laser engraving (up to 33 characters) for $4.95. I am now waitng for delivery of my engraved knife.
Last night on Knives Live TV, they introduced the first Moose pattern in the RR line. The number is RR1197, it has bone handles, ya'll check it out. Hey, welcome Jay, thanks for the info on that engraving.
Yea Tobias, they did make a moose in that blue moon handle but it's exactly like the Colt Moose, this is the first real RR moose. I plan to get one to check it out.
About the Razors (As in straight razors) if I heard the boys on KnivesLive TV correctly, this is brand new to the Rough Rider line. I'm guessing, in this case, they are responding to the success that Frost and all their related brands have been having.
Just when I think I've run out of Rough Riders I wan to buy, I suddenly get an urge for more peanuts. Two days ago I had four. Now I've got five and one on the way (Steve Koontz told me I better get the RR Stag peanut before they're all gone as Rough rider has no plans to make Stag handles in the future.
Here are all my peanuts:
Left to right,
Steel Warrior Croc Bone
Steel Warrior Key Lime Bone
Case Peach Seed Jigged Amber Bone
Rough Rider Smooth White Bone
Rough Rider Stoneworks Series.
The latest edition is the Stoneworx Peanut:
Closed
Opened
As I like the small patterns, I also have the Stoneworx Baby Toothpick
And a Few other of the Stoneworx series. I normally don't collect whole series, just certaint patterns. But the stoneworx knives just keep suckering me in.
So that means pattern wise, I'm not collecting
Large Toothpicks (RR has 5, so do I)
Rope Knives (RR really doesn't make them, the closest is the hawkbill)
Marlin Spike knives (They have 5 I have 6 by RR)
Scout knives (They make 2 I have Both)
Canittlers (They make a total of 7 and I have all 7)
Bartenders (They make 3 and I have 3)
Equal-end two blade pen knives & associated Gentleman's knives
(RR makes 2 and I have them)
and
Peanuts (I have no idea how many they make and it scares me)
I think I have enough Canoes and Sowbellies to add them to the list of patterns I collect but I'm fairly dormant with those.
Tobias Gibson
Smoky Mountain Knife Works currently owns the Trademark for Colt Knives. They make them in the same factories they use for Rough Riders and several other house brands. Most of the fixed blades are made with 420j2 stainless, and most of the folders use 440a. Im not sure what steel is used on the titanium coated blades. Same factories also make the Chinese made Remington. I'm not sure if their is connection between Colt and United, other than they probably share manufacturing facilities in China. Elk Ridge is a United Brand.
Dec 26, 2011
robert benton
Back in the 90,s Colt was a united brand. the knives were made in taiwan,germany and the us.the steel used was either 440 c or 420j2.SMKW now owns the colt trademark and has expanded the line
Dec 27, 2011
robert benton
Craig i own the large version of the RR damascus lockback it is a real nice knifegreat buy for the money
Dec 27, 2011
Tobias Gibson
My thought on the Colt line is this. SMKW is trying to use the line as sort of a upscale version of Rough Riders. They seem to do the same thing with the Marbles TM. As far as I'm concerned, I'll stick to RR unless I can only find the knife in the other two brands. The quality of the Colt Folders is a little better than the RRs but I'm not sure if that quality translates to the higher price tag. I know the quality of Marbles knives is about the same as that of RRs and the price tag will need to be lower before I guy the Marbles five inch toothpicks. I'm not paying an extra $6 for fake leather pouch I'm not going to use and the marbles blade etch.
I have two Colt Fixed blades. Both a re decent enough knives, especially in the looks department but the blades are 420j2 Stainless. I think if I get other Colt fixed blades (which is doubtful), I'll have to go with the Damascus blades.
In the end, I'd say the Chinese made Colt and Marble's knives are decent enough for the price but if you can find a similar style in Rough Rider then you'll get a similar quality knife for a better price. (Same for the Chinese made Remingtons)
Dec 27, 2011
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Craig Henry
One thing that turns me off about the Colts is the corny looking (to me) BIG "C" on the front bolsters. Now the Colt "Signature" series I would definitely consider buying.....those look nice.
Dec 27, 2011
J.J. Smith III
I really like my Colt whittler...
Dec 27, 2011
Tobias Gibson
Would it help if you knew the big C on the colts is a snake, such as Anaconda, Boa, Cobra, Diamondback, King Cobra, Python, Viper, etc. Look closely.
Dec 27, 2011
Jan Carter
LOL...Drew love the enthusiasm!!! Show us the knife?
Dec 27, 2011
Tobias Gibson
I got my new RR Yellow Trapper. Just as nice as my Case Yellow Trapper...and I could get 6-7 for the same price! I freakin love Rough Rider knives!
Another person who took the challenge and discovered what they've missing. Drew, take a look at "Case Vs. Rough Rider at Rough Rider Reviews. You're not alone.
Dec 27, 2011
Billy Oneale
I got a new yellow delrin hawkbill that I won on ebay. Pics to come later.
Dec 27, 2011
Billy Oneale
Here is a Quill knife. It's amazing the patterns that RR will make. Th
is is about 2" long
Dec 28, 2011
Billy Oneale
And here is my Brotherhood trapper.
Dec 28, 2011
Mel Jones
Dec 31, 2011
Billy Oneale
Welcome to the Rough Rider's Collectors, David. It's about time you found your way here. Tell Jeannie I said Hi.
Jan 1, 2012
David Moore
Thank you for the welcome! I am one of the bigger advocates for Rough Riders, and should have come here before this!! While my collecting has been somewhat curtailed by my economic situation, my enthusiasm thas not! I am looking for great topics of conversation for my favorite off-shore knives!!
Jan 1, 2012
KnifeMaker
Tom Hudson
Welcome David
Tom
Jan 1, 2012
Billy Oneale
Jan 1, 2012
robert benton
it,s going to be interesting to see what RR brings out this year. i would love to see the large swing guard lockback offered with more handle choices.
Jan 4, 2012
Featured
Craig Henry
I really, really, really wish they'd bring out a line of kinves with"cracked ice" handles..........really. They can start with the baby barehead Trapper, mini Trapper, and standard Trapper.........please and thank you. Then, they can do some in ebony wood......that would be cool........to me.
Jan 4, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Craig commented: "knives with"cracked ice" handles."
I for one would rather see something other than acrylic/celluloid/plastic. Not a big fan. But I do have to admit, I've bought the Synth stones in the past and would buy more.
Ebony on the other hand would be nice.
Jan 4, 2012
Featured
Craig Henry
I know, I'm one of those weirdos that likes imitation handles! LOL!
Jan 4, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Talking about new knives this year has anyone seen a RR moose patern knife before? I have looked all over and can't find one. I guess none were ever made.
Jan 5, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Robert,
The only moose in the Rough Rider line I'm aware of is the "Once in a Blue Moon" which is made on the Remington/Colt Frame.
Jan 5, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
I know about the Colt moose knives, infact I own some, I meant the Rough Rider line.I don't think they made one. I like that idea "Bull Moose" it better be something special.
Jan 5, 2012
stephen tungate
Jan 5, 2012
stephen tungate
here is my r. r. turtle shell sunfish catching a ride....
Jan 5, 2012
robert benton
some RR patterns made with buffalo horn handles would be nice too.
Jan 5, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Craig said "A Teddy Roosevelt "Bull Moose" Moose knife seems like a natural."
My actual suggestion was to have it be a commemorative and to sell it in a display that included one of the Teddy Roosevelt Coins to be issued in 2013 by the U.S. Mint. That coin should be released around the middle of May, 2013. which would put the knife/coin combo ready in time for the Christmas rush. Seems to me it belongs with the Rough Rider line. But I'd guess if they don't snag it, someone over at Cutlery Corner will!
Wouldn't hurt for a few other people to mention it to Mr. Koontz at SMKW. I think he'd be a person who could make it happen.
Jan 5, 2012
Mel Jones
Jan 5, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Hi Mel,
I've seen a variety knives refered to as "Moose" some in swell center, humpback , equal-end/cigar and serpentine.
My opinion (and it is just that) is the Moose is a large, thick frame knife (four inches or more) with a large clip blade at the top and a large spay blade at the bottom. Normally the blades operate on their own springs and have a space between them (but not always).
As the RR is just 3.5 inches closed, I consider a somewhat puny Moose or a Moosling.
(PS, the Boker Moose pattern has clip and spear blade and often a swell or serpentine handle... The Case moose is built on the #75 frame -a square end serpentine frame)
Jan 5, 2012
Mel Jones
Jan 5, 2012
Billy Oneale
Jan 5, 2012
Billy Oneale
Jan 5, 2012
Jan Carter
Ron,
That twisted bone sure is sweet
Jan 7, 2012
robert benton
Does anyone carry a RR on a daily basis if so which one. for me it,s a stag medium stockman or a boxcar whittler in smooth black bone.
Jan 11, 2012
Tobias Gibson
I just recently stopped carrying a Rough Rider Scout Knife. All in all I think Rough Riders make great EDCs (as well as collectibles). My only problem was I seem to need a Phillips screwdriver an awful lot these days, and I wanted it to be an in-line Phillips. More and more I was also wishing I had a small flashlight. As much as I liked the Scout Knife, I had to leave it behind for the Victorinox Swiss Army Spartan Lite. I miss the inline punch of the Scout knife but I’ll just have to deal with the back mounted one of the SAK.
This knife:
That said there are still several RR that are my Sunday go to Meetin' knives. Among them, my Toothpicks. Nothing like a Stoneworx Toothpick for a Sunday meeting. (The one on the right is for big important meetings.)
Jan 11, 2012
Tobias Gibson
In case you didn't know:
SMKW $5 flat rate shipping (domestic) on $50 or more purchase, all of January Code: JAN550.
So this would be a good time to buy some of those Rough Riders, you've been thinking about.
Jan 13, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Thanks for the heads up there, Tobais.
Jan 13, 2012
Jay Sack
I am new to this group. I have made one purchase a rough rider painted desert muskrat (RR1003) . I picked this knife in part because I want to try out the pattern. However, I also found a website hand-tools.com that has a great selection of knives. They also offer laser engraving (up to 33 characters) for $4.95. I am now waitng for delivery of my engraved knife.
Jan 18, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Last night on Knives Live TV, they introduced the first Moose pattern in the RR line. The number is RR1197, it has bone handles, ya'll check it out. Hey, welcome Jay, thanks for the info on that engraving.
Jan 18, 2012
Tobias Gibson
I sure about that number? I have 1193 as the RR blue moon moose. So does SMKW
Blue moon moose
Jan 18, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Yea Tobias, they did make a moose in that blue moon handle but it's exactly like the Colt Moose, this is the first real RR moose. I plan to get one to check it out.
Jan 22, 2012
Jan Carter
Robert,
Is this it?
http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/products/+RR1197/Rough+Rider%2...
Jan 28, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Jan 28, 2012
Tobias Gibson
About the Razors (As in straight razors) if I heard the boys on KnivesLive TV correctly, this is brand new to the Rough Rider line. I'm guessing, in this case, they are responding to the success that Frost and all their related brands have been having.
Jan 29, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Thanks Tobias, I plan to order one this week. I got to get that Moose......
Jan 29, 2012
robert benton
The moose looks nice,Will have to get one soon
Jan 30, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
I have both on the way, I'll post a picture when they get here.
Jan 30, 2012
Tobias Gibson
Just when I think I've run out of Rough Riders I wan to buy, I suddenly get an urge for more peanuts. Two days ago I had four. Now I've got five and one on the way (Steve Koontz told me I better get the RR Stag peanut before they're all gone as Rough rider has no plans to make Stag handles in the future.
Here are all my peanuts:
Steel Warrior Croc Bone
Steel Warrior Key Lime Bone
Case Peach Seed Jigged Amber Bone
Rough Rider Smooth White Bone
Rough Rider Stoneworks Series.
The latest edition is the Stoneworx Peanut:
Opened
As I like the small patterns, I also have the Stoneworx Baby Toothpick
And a Few other of the Stoneworx series. I normally don't collect whole series, just certaint patterns. But the stoneworx knives just keep suckering me in.
So that means pattern wise, I'm not collecting
Large Toothpicks (RR has 5, so do I)
Rope Knives (RR really doesn't make them, the closest is the hawkbill)
Marlin Spike knives (They have 5 I have 6 by RR)
Scout knives (They make 2 I have Both)
Canittlers (They make a total of 7 and I have all 7)
Bartenders (They make 3 and I have 3)
Equal-end two blade pen knives & associated Gentleman's knives
(RR makes 2 and I have them)
and
Peanuts (I have no idea how many they make and it scares me)
I think I have enough Canoes and Sowbellies to add them to the list of patterns I collect but I'm fairly dormant with those.
Feb 1, 2012
In Memoriam
Robert Burris
Those are great, Tobias.
Feb 2, 2012