Your rescue hook will be hard to get behind tightly wound cordage, i would recommend a ringed razel, good edge, pryable, push cutting edge, and doesnt look like a knife for the sheeple!
Chris- where can I find a razel... What is a razel?
Mackenzie- I've slowly been trying to get some knives around the camp... Like a multitool on the boats and something like that but they just don't quite get the fact that it's a tool that is needed
Chris I just looked up the razel and I would agree that it would be great but only two problems with it A it's a fixed blade and I would get in lots of trouble for having one of those and B most times I'm using this will be when I've been out in the middle of this lake and I have to go under a boat to cut the rope out and trying to carry a fixed blade out into the lake without a leg strap makes it difficult. Plus most times everyone doesn't know I have a knife on me till they need it
There are others of similar design, like the Benchmades, but pricier. You can also check various YouTube videos for more insights into the RESCOM and the HAWKHOOK. I think the kids will like (and the liability-conscious managers will prefer) either of these. Have fun!
Yea Nate I know how that is In my line of work it's difficult to get them to allow me to have a small knife. It is unfortunate that all some people see knive as is a weapon, but I do find it kind of funny that when someone needs a knife they hunt me down because they are so against carrying one themselves
Mig- thanks I will check them out hopefully I can find something. And honestly when all else fails I carry a spyderco tenacious for everything else I do around camp and they can
Day what they want but I will always have some sort blade on me
Mackenzie- yes I agree and I don't know about you but I often find myself kinda lonely because aside from my bestfriend no one really gets carrying a good knife and the always wanting or carrying them
It's kinda the same in my situation some of my friends do carry knives, but the ones they carry are usualy those cheepo depot deals u find in hardware stores and they are usualy bent broken and dull and fall apart. They think im am crazy spending the money I spend on my knives.
I'm kinda getting my little brother interested in knives.
Mig - do you know if any of these are water proof or atleast able to not rust In water? That's the primary environment this knife will
Be in.
Mackenzie - I know what you mean ive converted my bestfriend from
College to our side. He's now carrying a 5in tanto cold steel voyager.
Sorry, Nate, but the AUS 8 & 8A are just stainless, not waterproof steels. Together with your Tenacious, why not bring along a Spyderco Salt I in H1 steel? It's waterproof, including all its parts. Works just like your Tenacious, 3" Sheepsfoot blade which would poke less, Spyderedge for rope & seatbelts, yellow for underwater visibility, lockback, around $55. Just add a paracord lanyard and you are good to go!
I always enjoy my Salt 1 very much. The color makes people think of sour gum drops, therefore non-offensive. With a P-TRRS reflective lanyard, I never lose it. It even looks like a toy. But the Salt I fits my hand perfectly and it works just fine.
So mig in your personal opinion it would be better to go with a salt over the rescue hook. Whn I ordered the tenacious they decided to tack on a salt ladybug so I will have to try it I just don't want to lose em
Cause that's a little chunk of money for a college student
Nate, for use around water, H-1 steel beats any stainless steel. The Salt I only gives you the waterproof 3" blade, thumbhole opener, bright yellow, maybe better ergonomics. The HawkHook has the hook, serrated 1", can opener, glass breaker and screwdriver. I prefer to keep the Hawkhook in the car. For your camping though, the Salt I might be more useful. Close to perfect if paired with a Leatherman multi-tool. You could also, maybe, keep a stainless knife in an oiled ziplok bag, and oil it thoroughly once you get back home. How you plan to use it should dictate your decision.
Ok so here's the question about the salt. After doing much research I am going to get one but which one do I get? The plain or serrated and do
I get the 3 in the almost 4 in or the hawkbill in 3 or 4 in ?
Alright after reading back, if you need a folder that will stand up to less than perfect care and cleaning around water, than the spyderco salts are the way to go. H1 is excellent, will not rust, although i will warn you ahead of time it scratches easily, buts it a work knife ao that should be no concern. Get the almost 4", non serrated. IMHO serrations are over rated when compared to a sharp plain edge for 99.26% of cutting tasks. They are almost useless when cutting cordage against a surface, especially if tightly wound. Do the old bag boy trick of carabiner on belt loop attached to lanyard on pocket knife by a length or suitable cord, that way you wont lose your new investment in the bottom if the lake!! Just one mans opinion!
Nate, one of your considerations is the perception of the knife by the camp managers? You could show them a picture of a hawkbill knife to get their opinion. Also, a smaller knife might seem less aggressive in their eyes. The ATLANTIC SALT has a 3.69" straight blade with a rounded tip, kinder on inflatables and toes. I totally agree with Chris on "sharp plain edge" being better, with more flexible usage. I would also recommend a DMT combo stone (medium & fine) in case you needed a rougher edge for tougher rope underwater? You mentioned earlier that you'd also be bringing your Tenacious (hidden), which I assumed (wrongfully?) was plain edge. Hence the Spyderedged Salt recommendation as the 2nd knife (the exposed one). The carabiner-on-lanyard is the only way , as Chris mentioned. Provide a space in the lanyard for your hand to slip into when you unclip from the belt loop. Try different ways of attaching, clipping, using, on different rope and materials. Have fun and be safe!
I forgot about the carabiner. Usually, the carabiner stays with my shorts' belt loop and I just clip my paracorded knife into it. When using, I would unravel the paracord and slip my hand through it so I don't lose it in murky waters. The carabiner attached to paracord and knife adds to its weight, and gets in the way when you move the knife around.
Lol not to sound too repetitive, but "what Mig said"! Lol
As a grocery clerk we always kept our box cutters attached to a belt loop with twine, kept ya from leaving/losing it somewhere!
SWIM TRUNKS!?!?!? Where did you carry your old knife....?......wait, dont answer that. Ok now your relegated to attaching the knife to your hip with 4" deck screws. Unless you want to neck lanyard one of the tiny H1 spydies...any ideas Mig?
You can clip a carabiner to the string that tightens your trunks or make a hole, if your swim trunks don't come with a key loop, usually near a small inside pocket. Be creative. There's also grommets you use in tarps. Or make a belt of a paracord. Lots of ways. To make it bouyant, connect a small air bladder, like the famous rubber ducky... ;)
If you check the Salt I in the previous photo, that Goldenrod-colored P-TRRS paracord has the 3M reflector stripe (when you shine a light on it).
Chris, you should have written "what Chris said!" :)
At work, my Hawkhook and Wharcom were just clipped on my belt with a pencil-sized Streamlight. I never had them on a carabiner because both clips were tightly matched to my belt. Lucky for me, none of them ever fell off. On water though, they should be tethered (clip it or lose it!)
Chris - my trunks usually had pockets and if not in the waist band.
Mig - that helps a lot thank you... Now the objective is to acquire enough money to do this. This is proof that the economy sucks... I'm
An assistant manager and I'm only making minimum wage. So yeah. Thank you though for all the advice it's been a massive help.
So I don't know if you guys know this but knives are freaking addicting. After collecting cold steel, kershaw, and gerber for a long time I was getting kinda bored with It but I just received my first spyderco knife the tenacious and I am so readdicted
Oh yeah, Nate, your Tenacious has 3 mean brothers, all scary sharp - Ambitious, Persistence, Resilience. Not to mention the Delicas, which I think come in more than 10 variations (grind, color, steel)... Yup, there should be a contest for the thinnest wallet somewhere here in iknifecollector!!
Wait til you hold some of the Benchmades... Then the CRKTs... And that's only some of the production knives! And then the customs! Before you know it, you'll be needing another cold shower!!
I have a few crkt and they are alright but the only problem
With benchmade is there so expensive. They dont have any good entry level knives like under $50. I just compare it to cold steel and if I could get a better deal so
My cheapest premium Benchmade was a Mini-Griptilian in 154CM for $58, and this is a bargain. Under $50 would usually be 3 inch blades with medium steel (AUS8, 9Cr13, 440C).
Since you mentioned hawkbill before, what about the Boker Batman ($36)
See that sounds reasonable to me price wise and I would get into benchmades more if they were a little cheaper but hey whatever. As for hawbill I would love one but the are illegal in the state of Tennessee as well as any knife over 4in. I know I'm pushing it carrying a 5in cold steel voyager but I know some of the cops and they aren't very tolerant to hawkbills
Hi Nate I think under 50 USD there are some HK Heckler & Koch By Benchmade (Mini Ascender,SNODY, Mini-Pika II, Monochrome and i my memory serves me under 50 USD means it is non US made production.
Hi Nate & Patrik, here's another Benchmade - VEX. It's discontinued but still available. Has a 3.3" 8Cr13MoV BP Ti-coated blade, a solid feel due to its steel liners and G-10 handle. Closer feel to your Tenacious, Nate. Here's an eBay search link too.
Thanks Mig those VEX knifes look nice and as the box is some kind like orange colored I think it is the red line production so it is made in China and for 56$ seems a little bit pricey. BTW if you are looking for a similar edc I have won on ebay and Kershaw OSO SWEET (27$ with international shipping) also made in china and it is ASSISTED yes and also the Spyderco Persistence would be a very nice option
Yeah, Patrik, it seems we have similar likes. I already have the Oso Sweet and the Persistence, and Ka-Bars, all very sweet tools. The 8Cr14MoV steel comes from China, which should have brought the Vex's price down (US$60 msrp) to at least $40. Maybe it's the demand? Did you know there's also a red Oso Sweet, for Snap Tools? It's also nice that companies like Benchmade mention a knife's country of origin.
Seems like we all have similar likes I have the oso sweet black as well and absolutely love this knife. Sadly it's been misplaced but soon to be replaced. I have a few kabars as well and I love these knives the persistence is next on my list
Oso Sweet for snap Tool ? I don't know about it maybe you can post some link or picture. And tor my Oso Sweet it features 8CR13Mov steel and i will come in a plastic display package I saw a version in a box that featured a AUS 6A steel but it was around 10-12 USD more. My understanding is that 8CR13Mov is a china made steel wit similar tributes than AUS8A US made steel and in some reviews the AUS 6A with bad or not sufficient heat treating is inferior to AUS 8A and 8CR13Mov therefor I picked up the 8CR13Mov. Maybe you have more information to this statement. And to the price of the benchmade who knows maybe it ist the brand name or higher quality control sure it is not he material cost :) but as I'm a fan of US made AUS 8A Steel I recommend the Ontario RAT-1 and it is made in TAIWAN and we know TAIWAN made knifes a more reliable and the quality is also higher thank CHINA made Knifes. And one more point that speaks for he Ontario RAT-1 $26.95 + shipping (ebay) you just cant beat the price and steel just cant. Yes and I also like Ka-bar hell I like all knifes :)
Patrik
Honestly I own the RAT1 folder and I absolutely love it and I agree that taiwan made blades are great quality, 90% of cold steel knives are made there and they have yet to fail on me. Now I've always been ify on china blades and especially 8cr13mov but so far this tenacious has been one hell of a knife so we will see. Kershaw is coming out with a few imports this year and I'm still kinda skeptical of them but hey I'm spyderco fan thru and thru now to go buy more lol
Yes Nate I think it is all about quality control also the steel is important but even a 440 steel can perform great if it is properly heat treated an properly sharpen an I agree with you I also love spyderco and cold steel I try to maintain 1:1 ratio in my EDC and since I don't own the tenacious I can't comment on that particular knife but since I have the para military on my wish list but that is to expensive right now for me I would go with the Resilience has some nice specks.
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Have to work
With you
Jan 16, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 16, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Mackenzie- I've slowly been trying to get some knives around the camp... Like a multitool on the boats and something like that but they just don't quite get the fact that it's a tool that is needed
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 16, 2011
Mig Santos
You might want to look at the BOKER RESCOM by Chad Los Banos, AUS 8 steel with 2 cutting edges for rope or seatbelts :
http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tactical-knife/01BO5...
CLB Design's page - Review :
http://www.clbdesign.info/content/view/28/94/
Available for $28 at ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Boker-Plus-Chad-Los-Banos-Red-Rescom-Rescue-Kni...
Or, the BLACKHAWK HAWKHOOK, AUS8A steel with 2 edges, plus bottle opener, screwdriver and glass breaker :
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/HawkHook,685,37.htm
Available for $31 at...
http://cgi.ebay.com/BlackHawk-HawkHook-Rescue-Tool-Folding-Knife-15...
Jan 16, 2011
Mig Santos
cont . . . . .
PoliceMag.com - Review :
http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Weapons/Articles/2009/01/Blackhawk...
There are others of similar design, like the Benchmades, but pricier. You can also check various YouTube videos for more insights into the RESCOM and the HAWKHOOK. I think the kids will like (and the liability-conscious managers will prefer) either of these. Have fun!
Jan 16, 2011
Mig Santos
And here's the link to 6 BENCHMADE HOOK products :
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_list.aspx?keyword=HOOK
Jan 16, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 16, 2011
Nate Andrews
Day what they want but I will always have some sort blade on me
Mackenzie- yes I agree and I don't know about you but I often find myself kinda lonely because aside from my bestfriend no one really gets carrying a good knife and the always wanting or carrying them
Jan 17, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
It's kinda the same in my situation some of my friends do carry knives, but the ones they carry are usualy those cheepo depot deals u find in hardware stores and they are usualy bent broken and dull and fall apart. They think im am crazy spending the money I spend on my knives.
I'm kinda getting my little brother interested in knives.
Jan 17, 2011
Nate Andrews
Be in.
Mackenzie - I know what you mean ive converted my bestfriend from
College to our side. He's now carrying a 5in tanto cold steel voyager.
Jan 17, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Sorry, Nate, but the AUS 8 & 8A are just stainless, not waterproof steels. Together with your Tenacious, why not bring along a Spyderco Salt I in H1 steel? It's waterproof, including all its parts. Works just like your Tenacious, 3" Sheepsfoot blade which would poke less, Spyderedge for rope & seatbelts, yellow for underwater visibility, lockback, around $55. Just add a paracord lanyard and you are good to go!
http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Salt-1-Yellow-Spyderedge/dp/B001EIAY...
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Also, Nate, in the Salt series, there's the new Ladybug3 Salt, 2" H-1 blade, $33 :
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Ladybug-3-Salt-Serrated-Yellow-Knife-L...
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=399
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=174
http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLDENROD-P-TRRS-Reflective-550-Paracord-Cord-R...
I always enjoy my Salt 1 very much. The color makes people think of sour gum drops, therefore non-offensive. With a P-TRRS reflective lanyard, I never lose it. It even looks like a toy. But the Salt I fits my hand perfectly and it works just fine.
Jan 17, 2011
Mackenzie Soileau (sebenza100)
Jan 17, 2011
Nate Andrews
Cause that's a little chunk of money for a college student
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Nate, for size comparison, the Spydercos : Ladybug3, Persistence, Salt I _
Jan 17, 2011
Mig Santos
Jan 17, 2011
Nate Andrews
I get the 3 in the almost 4 in or the hawkbill in 3 or 4 in ?
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 18, 2011
Mig Santos
Nate, one of your considerations is the perception of the knife by the camp managers? You could show them a picture of a hawkbill knife to get their opinion. Also, a smaller knife might seem less aggressive in their eyes. The ATLANTIC SALT has a 3.69" straight blade with a rounded tip, kinder on inflatables and toes. I totally agree with Chris on "sharp plain edge" being better, with more flexible usage. I would also recommend a DMT combo stone (medium & fine) in case you needed a rougher edge for tougher rope underwater? You mentioned earlier that you'd also be bringing your Tenacious (hidden), which I assumed (wrongfully?) was plain edge. Hence the Spyderedged Salt recommendation as the 2nd knife (the exposed one). The carabiner-on-lanyard is the only way , as Chris mentioned. Provide a space in the lanyard for your hand to slip into when you unclip from the belt loop. Try different ways of attaching, clipping, using, on different rope and materials. Have fun and be safe!
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spyderco-Atlantic-Salt-H1-Steel-Knife-C89PYL-Ru...
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 18, 2011
Mig Santos
Thanks, Chris!
I forgot about the carabiner. Usually, the carabiner stays with my shorts' belt loop and I just clip my paracorded knife into it. When using, I would unravel the paracord and slip my hand through it so I don't lose it in murky waters. The carabiner attached to paracord and knife adds to its weight, and gets in the way when you move the knife around.
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
As a grocery clerk we always kept our box cutters attached to a belt loop with twine, kept ya from leaving/losing it somewhere!
Jan 18, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 18, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 19, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 19, 2011
Mig Santos
You can clip a carabiner to the string that tightens your trunks or make a hole, if your swim trunks don't come with a key loop, usually near a small inside pocket. Be creative. There's also grommets you use in tarps. Or make a belt of a paracord. Lots of ways. To make it bouyant, connect a small air bladder, like the famous rubber ducky... ;)
If you check the Salt I in the previous photo, that Goldenrod-colored P-TRRS paracord has the 3M reflector stripe (when you shine a light on it).
http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLDENROD-P-TRRS-Reflective-550-Paracord-Cord-R...
Jan 19, 2011
Mig Santos
Chris, you should have written "what Chris said!" :)
At work, my Hawkhook and Wharcom were just clipped on my belt with a pencil-sized Streamlight. I never had them on a carabiner because both clips were tightly matched to my belt. Lucky for me, none of them ever fell off. On water though, they should be tethered (clip it or lose it!)
Jan 19, 2011
Nate Andrews
Mig - that helps a lot thank you... Now the objective is to acquire enough money to do this. This is proof that the economy sucks... I'm
An assistant manager and I'm only making minimum wage. So yeah. Thank you though for all the advice it's been a massive help.
Jan 19, 2011
Chris Hillier
Jan 19, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 20, 2011
Mig Santos
Jan 21, 2011
Mig Santos
Wait til you hold some of the Benchmades... Then the CRKTs... And that's only some of the production knives! And then the customs! Before you know it, you'll be needing another cold shower!!
Jan 21, 2011
Nate Andrews
With benchmade is there so expensive. They dont have any good entry level knives like under $50. I just compare it to cold steel and if I could get a better deal so
Jan 21, 2011
Mig Santos
My cheapest premium Benchmade was a Mini-Griptilian in 154CM for $58, and this is a bargain. Under $50 would usually be 3 inch blades with medium steel (AUS8, 9Cr13, 440C).
Since you mentioned hawkbill before, what about the Boker Batman ($36)
http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife/boker-plus/tactical-knife/01BO4...
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOKER-BATMAN-TALON-KNIFE-SATIN-FINISH-BO430-/16...
Jan 21, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 21, 2011
Patrik Ilijev
Jan 21, 2011
Mig Santos
Hi Nate & Patrik, here's another Benchmade - VEX. It's discontinued but still available. Has a 3.3" 8Cr13MoV BP Ti-coated blade, a solid feel due to its steel liners and G-10 handle. Closer feel to your Tenacious, Nate. Here's an eBay search link too.
http://www.benchmade.com/products/10750
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_PayPal=1&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trkpa...
Jan 22, 2011
Patrik Ilijev
Jan 22, 2011
Mig Santos
Jan 22, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 23, 2011
Patrik Ilijev
Hi Mig & Nate.
Oso Sweet for snap Tool ? I don't know about it maybe you can post some link or picture. And tor my Oso Sweet it features 8CR13Mov steel and i will come in a plastic display package I saw a version in a box that featured a AUS 6A steel but it was around 10-12 USD more. My understanding is that 8CR13Mov is a china made steel wit similar tributes than AUS8A US made steel and in some reviews the AUS 6A with bad or not sufficient heat treating is inferior to AUS 8A and 8CR13Mov therefor I picked up the 8CR13Mov. Maybe you have more information to this statement. And to the price of the benchmade who knows maybe it ist the brand name or higher quality control sure it is not he material cost :) but as I'm a fan of US made AUS 8A Steel I recommend the Ontario RAT-1 and it is made in TAIWAN and we know TAIWAN made knifes a more reliable and the quality is also higher thank CHINA made Knifes. And one more point that speaks for he Ontario RAT-1 $26.95 + shipping (ebay) you just cant beat the price and steel just cant. Yes and I also like Ka-bar hell I like all knifes :)
Jan 23, 2011
Nate Andrews
Honestly I own the RAT1 folder and I absolutely love it and I agree that taiwan made blades are great quality, 90% of cold steel knives are made there and they have yet to fail on me. Now I've always been ify on china blades and especially 8cr13mov but so far this tenacious has been one hell of a knife so we will see. Kershaw is coming out with a few imports this year and I'm still kinda skeptical of them but hey I'm spyderco fan thru and thru now to go buy more lol
Jan 23, 2011
Patrik Ilijev
Jan 23, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 23, 2011
Nate Andrews
Jan 23, 2011