This was only a test to see if I had up loading pics right but I may as will say something about them. The antler handled one is 8 ½ inches with leather rings between the butt end and handle and between the finger guard and handle. One side of the blade shows a bearded bust of a man and [Othello Solingen and the other side Anton wingen jr with a line under the r and Solingen Germany. The other one is 10 ½ inches with three leather bands between each steel band with a engraved ice pick imbedded in a rock on one side and pig Solingen germen on the other side. I have had both for over 30 years and know little about them. What do you know?