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Comment by Jan Carter on May 22, 2016 at 18:07
Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on April 23, 2016 at 21:56

The problem lies with China itself who will not recognize foreign patents or trademarks.  How many DVDs, CDs, knives, clothing etc. have been brought to their attention and the original owners haven't been able to do diddly squat about it.  Remember the big Sony movie kerfuffle of a couple of years ago.

E-Bay couldn't give a crap about forgeries being sold on their site because those fakes have been reported to E-Bay since almost day bloody one of their operation and squat has been done about it or ever bloody will.

The phrase caveat emptor comes into effect here and if an establishment is notorious for providing counterfeits, fakes, forgeries then I'll not buy from them and steer as many customers away from them as possible. 

I'd rather deal with a local dealer, maybe pay a few dollars more, and get something that I can depend on.  Yet, herein lies the rub. Joe Ripoff buys a Chi-com fake and at the same time a real one from a local or internet dealer; switches them and returns the fake to the dealer, gets his refund and the dealer is screwed out of a sale and can only complain to his supplier about it who usually can't or won't do anything about it.

You can't sue the Chinese companies as only Chinese barristers, in a Chinese court can present a case so only major corporation even have a chance of pursuing civil action.  It took McDonald's and Coca-Cola etc. years of court battles to protect their franchises so as to prevent anyone from opening a similarly named or operated burger joint or bottling plant in China without state repercussions.

As to being able to recognize a well done fake from an original--good luck.  I know of people who have sent the fakes back to the makers and even they couldn't tell the difference until exhaustive chemical, metallurgical, etc. testing was done on the knives.  Pay a bit more and buy from the maker or their authorized dealers

Comment by dead_left_knife_guy on April 23, 2016 at 21:11

Schlomo -- thanks for making that Puma link on the 110 -- I always suspected but hadn't delved into the matter far enough yet.  And you nailed it on the Copyright/Trademark/Patent distinctions.  By the way, that Besh Wedge is horrible as a tip for throwing knives -- just sayin'.


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Comment by Syd Carr on April 23, 2016 at 20:57

As a frequent seller and buyer on Ebay I encourage anyone who spots a fake to always report it, you can even forward a link to Buck and they'll report it. The thing about buying knives online, (or selling them), is TO KNOW what you are looking at, and you need to understand you are still taking a chance, but knowing what you're buying improves the odds. Knowledge is power, apply that principle to Ebay and you'll be fine. (ie; learn as much about the knives as you can BEFORE you buy)

Comment by Jan Carter on April 23, 2016 at 20:44

DLKG,

That is just incredibly rude.  YES, as knife people we can tell but what about the guy that buys a knife every three/four years and he is looking for his sons first?  He would just think he is getting a deal.  Dealers like that are not dealers they are just sellers

Comment by dead_left_knife_guy on April 23, 2016 at 20:39

It's funny, there was a seller on eBay with a knife that was a total Buck Vanguard knock-off, box & all, for $10.  I usually expect to see fakes from China, but this guy was in the US, so I called him on it.  He said some crap about whatever, I can't even remember what his excuse was, but he was really defensive -- if I recall, he even said something along the lines of "the buyer should be able to tell by the price that it's not a real Buck".  I reported him to eBay, but I'm sure they get a billion reports along these lines, with all sorts of products.  Fortunately, the seller also pulled the listing & did not relist it as a Buck again.

Comment by Jan Carter on April 23, 2016 at 18:15

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Comment by Jan Carter on April 23, 2016 at 18:13

Eric,

You did just fine opening it right here.  Whether it is a solo discussion or a general one, inside the Buck group is perfect.  It is regrettable that these types of fakes happen and it would be so time and dollar consuming for the manufacture to try to stop it.  What they do instead is try to make everyone aware it is happening and how to tell the differences.  

In today's world, you get what you pay for seems to be VERY true.  When they get to the point where they are charging what a real one costs it will be harder to tell them apart until you have them in hand

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on April 22, 2016 at 20:00

That is the Registered ® not Copyright © symbol which differs from a Trademark ™.

Trademark/Registered 

Copyright

Simply stated, a Copyright protects the design (for a specific period of years only) while a trademark protects the name or phrase (can be renewed forever). By altering the dimensions of an object (as little as 10%) you can nullify a patent/copyright but it is very hard to do with a trademark.  Prime example of the latter, lots of McDonald's and MacDonald's hamburger joints were shut down or had to change their name because they bore a similar name to the International Giant.

I had a fight with a number of Beckerheads over a knife that Boker was carrying that "looked" surprisingly like one of Ethan's knives.  I subsequently sold my entire and entirely complete collection of Becker knives because of their idiocy.  Boker, in a gentlemanly gesture, withdrew the knife from their catalogue -- not because of any legal matter that they, the Beckerheads or Ethan himself, could have done but for the simple reason that there was no copyright on the knife, never had been or for that matter ever could be.

The chances of getting a patent on a knife is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.  A snowball in Hell would have a better chance!  The materials of the knife can be patented but what new or innovative design feature can you put on a knife that really hasn't changed in 4,000+ years? 

Michael Walker patented his locking mechanism in the 1980s -- and it has subsequently expired so anyone can produce it.  CRKT has their Auto-LAWKS but both of those are on the mechanisms not the knife.  About the only thing I can think of is the Besh-Wedge (http://www.beshknives.com/besh-wedge.php) and that wasn't.

Chinese makers can make all the look alike models they want as long as they don't infringe on the Trademark by calling it a Buck, or Spyderco or any other makers' name. I have found the iconic Buck 110 folder made by so many companies, in so many countries, as to be mind boggling but as long a they don't put "Buck" on the blade it is 100% legal.  Then again, it is a copy of a Puma which was a copy of a Boker (or the other way around) which was a copy of a French design that was probably Spanish in origin.

As to using older name brand equipment for packaging, sorry, but the Chinese printers had the original plates for the boxes as Buck had and still has some of their models produced there and it is nothing to replicate, exactly, another item especially with CNC machinery, 3D printers, copy machine/duplicators etc.

Comment by Eric Chain Leigh on April 22, 2016 at 18:23

I think I made a mistake here.
I am sorry for I am not familiar with operation, I should open a new discussion instead of making comment here.
I will make a new discussion later.
Thanks for all your replies

A Chinese pirate may buy one sheath from BUCK website and get some old box from eBay, and sell whole set to someone for $80 dollars.
Not every one as wise as you, they don't even know how to reach the BUCK website to see what the sheath looks like.
With the help of high technology, the imitation one may be identical to the genuine one.
The numeric controlled machinery can do good jobs to imitate the genuine version and even get a better result.
"The devil is in the details."

The last two "BUCKs" are from the imitation sheaths while the first two are from BUCK website.

If you compare the letters on the genuine BUCK sheath and the sheath along with the imitation, you will find that there is something weird following the letter "K" on BUCK sheath.
That is a copyright symbol.
The Chinese imitator didn't have the knowledge and might think it was a blemish and no need to copy.
The brass fastener with black letters was made for Buck sheaths before and you can find them on the Buck website.
The imitation got old sheath to imitate.
Unfortunately, Buck knives do not add the copyright symbol on their most Nylon sheaths, but I wish they could register the symbol as a trademark and use on their whatever products.
Piracy somewhat needs a better overall knowledge to make the imitation as close as the real one.
Old methods of imitation for BUCK knives can be identified in seconds because they didn't even try to make anything looks like the real one.
We need more experience to tell which one is knock off from thousands of knives.
If you look at the scales on the handle.
There is no such color of bright hue in most handles of Buck knives.
Buck knives do not tell us what kind of wood they use on scales of dymonwood.
Dymondwood is as simple as peanut butter and jelly, but the veneers used may vary.
I think the Chinese imitator failed to clone a dymondwood scale as Buck's or he just simplely thought that all dymondwoods are the same.
If you check eBay, you will found the Chinese eBayer haorenyige1899 is selling these fake Buck Alpha Dorado on eBay.
eBay has no abilities to handle these knock off knives.
Their focus is on how to attract more sellers and buyers including pirates and victims.
You can tell that his scales on the knives are different from of other sellers.
I think he is one out of many who make money for selling fake Buck knives on eBay.
If I feel something looks weird, I just don't buy it.

I welcome your comments and thank you very much for your time.
I will end up here and make comments on new discussion.

 
 
 

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