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Hitler Youth Knife?
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Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on
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Permalink Reply by Steve Scheuerman (Manx) on
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I hate to say it, but I am fairly certain this is a fake. To the best of my knowledge, the HJ and DJ knives were never made with white handles. These knives have been replicated in so many ways, both subtle and screamingly obvious. I will look deeper into this when I have time, off work tomorrow, but I wouldn't hold your breath. :-) I seem to remember something about the "Santa HJ knife" that a bunch of collectors were giggling about, and this may be one of them. I'll dig into it more when I have the chance...
Sorry.
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So...to go further, the RMZ marking is sideways to the maker's code. Also, with no motto, the RMZ should be on the ricasso, not the blade itself. The lack of the motto is a warning, but not definitive of a fake. The white scales are a warning, I also don't recall seeing any with screws instead of pins to hold the scales on. As I am certainly no expert, I won't say for sure that this is a reproduction, but I am reasonably sure this is yet another imitation HJ knife.. Also...is it just me, or does that last picture look like it says Solnigen instead of Solingen?
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solhigeitThats what it appears to say to me
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Something to consider...if this came from a German POW, one never knows what was done to the knife. Parts like scales could have been stuff found around the camp, the diamond could be from a different knife, screws used for lack of rivets if the knife was indeed repaired inside the camp...everything about it could well be authentic...just reassembled from parts from other knives. Any way you look at it, as an heirloom from family, it's certainly worth lots!
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Talley on
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If it is a fake, it would have to he one of the earliest as it was in his footlocker when we opened it...and he never opened it after he returned home after the war. Of curiosity is the photo beneath the handle on the side opposite the crest of either a wife or girlfriend...not sure. I agree with tje concept of a possible "Frankenstein" mixture of available pieces.
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Usually I start my searches for info on these here Hitler Youth Basics
Based on all the info I have seen in researching these you have sovereign knife. Or as you put it earlier a "frankenstein" As a POW, he would have had time between release and a trip home. My guess would be it was redone at that time as a project, maybe while in rehab?
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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by John McCain on -
Pardon everyone but I will disagree just a little- The blade and sheath are authentic , but it appears to be rehandled- Probably cracked and replaced-- The blade actually reads H&F Lauterjung, Solingen - The MK7/C is actually MK7/6 ( not the first I have seen like this-- Blade stamps, etc. are authentic and MK/6 was the number designated for H&F Lauterjung- Early manufacturers of these knives as the low number suggests-(6)--Everything appears authentic , including the shield-- Probably inlayed intio the replacement handle-- Here is a pic of another H&F Lauterjung youth knife-- Same stampings--
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Hence why I said... "...everything about it could well be authentic...just reassembled from parts from other knives" :-)
Still a cool piece.
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