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Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on January 6, 2012 at 18:28

Tobias, that is pretty kool!!! Thank you so much from sharing it

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Permalink Reply by Billy Oneale on January 6, 2012 at 22:43

Condor is made in El Salvador and is made with German factory machinery. Most of the Chipaway's I have are made  in Pakistan and are owned by Frost. Citadel are produced in Thailand. Eye Brands are made in Germay. Marttiini's are made in Finland. I think most Parker eagle's were made in Japan. I think Rite Edge is a trademark global brand, but I'm not sure about that. Really good list, Toby. You did spend an enormous amount of time on research.

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Permalink Reply by Alexander Noot on January 7, 2012 at 1:20

Kershaw, Zero Tolerance and Shun are owned by Kai industries.

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Permalink Reply by Jerry Moores on January 8, 2012 at 5:54

Thanks Tobias! Very interesting!

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KnifeMakerPermalink Reply by Glenn "Oz" Osborne on January 8, 2012 at 9:43

Thanks Tobias ! Lots of info

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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by Leopold Lacrimosa on January 14, 2012 at 0:24

Very nice Tobias. Thanks for the work you put into it!

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Permalink Reply by Derek Bodford on January 14, 2012 at 12:10

Great job on this list Tobias, thanks for taking the time to research and compile it (and then share it with us!)

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Permalink Reply by Shlomo ben Maved on January 16, 2012 at 1:09

Sorry, Tobias but you've made some blaring mistakes that I've noticed in just the first few lines…As it stands now I wouldn’t use or recommend it for reference…It needs a lot of work to fix the database and the information…Couldn't you have sorted the first column alphabetical to makers and shown all the offshoots from that as for an example you have Frost scattered from top to bottom and what is this obsession with Smokey Mountain?

Benchmade's Red Label was Chi-Comm made and they still produce a number of their models in Taiwan and I believe Japan BUT SMKW has absolutely no affiliation with them except that they sell them--line 14.

Blackhawk has also nothing to do with SMKW, nor does Blackjack Knives, or CAS Iberia, or Entrek USA who is owned by Ray W. Ennis and is all USA made or just about all the labels they carry, although they do have some that are made for them exclusively like the Pakistani and Indian lines.

Being affiliated to SMKW you might as well say that Ka-Bar are affiliated to Tomar's or Bladeworks or any other brick or Internet store as SMKW is just a retailer same as the others...A retailer like AG Russell who carries some custom makers like Bob Dozier and Randall Knives also carries some of the self same brands but he at least designs and has made for him a number of models or will have a very unique model of a production run created by a commercial maker--like the only pink G10 handled knife issued to the public of a CRKT design.

Better check your ESEE formerly RAT entry which is the parent, owned by Mike Perrin and Jeff Randall and all the knives were and still are made in the USA--1st by Lively, 2nd by Ontario and 3rd by Rowan link: http://www.eseeknives.com/history.htm

Victorinox and Wenger are the same company and produce Forschner kitchen cutlery under a separate and different Victorinox banner head.

Remington Arms does not make knives, they are outsourced…Browning & Winchester Arms are owned by Fabrique National of Belgium and none of them make knives, they are outsourced…Beretta/Franchi/Sako/Tikka are owned by Beretta but they do own a very small knife company so they do make some but not all of their knives which are outsourced…

Italian MASERIN and along with FOX Knives/Fox USA with their sub-labels of Black Fox, Red Fox, Two Sails, Swan labels—Due Cigni &  Cigno – kitchen stuff, MD—military made some of the Beretta folders.. 

S&W are a part of Taylor & Co. as is Schrade and Old Timer and Uncle Henry and all are Chi-Comm and only Chi-Comm, not USA made along with their sub labels US Army and Boy Scout offerings.

H&K are made by Benchmade as are Harley-Davidson, Bone Collector, Lone Wolf (not the Paul Poehlmann and Bill Harsey collaboration of the same name) and are mostly made in the USA buy some are imported.

Boker is made in their own plants in Germany and Argentina and some of their lower and mid-range priced labels is outsourced Chi-Comm and Taiwanese knives.

Spyderco is made in Taiwan, Japan, China and USA and in that order of production…SOG and Gerber (owned by Fiskars) are the same as is Cold Steel since their tomahawks are made in the USA and some machetes are from South Africa.

Buck announced that they were reducing their reliance on Chi-Comm made knives but the jobs were not going back to Idaho since they're just switching to the other China, Republic of  (Taiwan) and to Indonesia and Japan...Cold Steel has dropped from around 50% of the products being Chi-Comm made down to about 15%...Gerber/Fiskars is about the same figures

Ontario Knives are made in USA and Taiwan and so is Ka-Bar but the Mule is Chi-Comm made.

Knives of Alaska is owned by Charles Allen, an Alaskan guide, whose headquarters is now located in Texas and the knives are made in the USA and for some reason I believe its in Oregon but not sure…He and other guides take all new knives and test them for a hunting season in Alaska

Tramontina is made in Brazil, Final Calle Libertad d/b/a Condor is from El Salvador,

Queen Cutlery Company was purchased by Servotronics Corporation of Buffalo, New York in 1969 and still produce the Schatt & Morgan knives in the USA as does Bear & Sons Ltd. and Canal Street Cutlery

USA based Katz Knives owned by Keith Derkatz and are produced in Japan,

Anthony Marfione is founder of Microtech Automatic Knives and makes with 95% of their own built products and so do Curtis Iovito and Mark Carey, Co-Founders of Spartan Blades, LLC as well as the all titanium knives by Mission Aerospace and Knives

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Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on January 16, 2012 at 9:52

Thanks for the info, Shlomo.  I'll will use it to fix the list.   The list began as a excel sheet, I've sorted it by brand instead of who owns the trademark.  I will put the brand first.

I'll also clarify what I mean by associated with SMKW or Assoicated with Cutlery Corner (or perhaps remove that entirely)  The project started by looiking at the brands sold by the two competing TV programs (Cutlery Corner Network, and Knives Live TV).  I went to their web sites, and grabbed every brand sold by the two.  So associated with was my code for "Sold at CCN" or "Sold at SMKW".

Once I grabbed all the products they sold, I combined the two lists,  sorted the listings and  looked for duplicates.  For instance Case is sold at both websites.    When this  occurred I removed who was selling the knife.  Next I did trademark searches to see who owned the TM.  If a TM was found, I eliminated the association with Frost or SMKW (unless they owned the TM).   If I was unable to determine a TM I left the association to the website in place, so that I'd at least know who sells it, Cutlery Corner, or SMKW.

SMKW owns at least 15 Brands and Frost over 25.   

As for your comments,

At the same time, if you look closer look you will see that I list Wenger, Vic, and Forschner  as all owned by Victorinox.    I also list Servotronics as owners of both Ontario and Queen and that Queen makes the Shatt & Morgan Knives as well as other brands.   However Queen also make several knives with old US Trademarks that are currently owned by SMKW. 

Queen, Ontario, and Bear & Son do a lot of outsourced jobs.

I also list that Remington, Winchester and numerous other arms manufacturers  outsource their knife production  So many of the things you've listed I've already stated.   Hopefully when I clean up the list things will be more clear.

On the other hand I assumed Bone Collector was a Frost knife, because the ones I saw were sold on that show and were made in Pakistan.   I was  not aware they were Benchmade.

I put the info out there to get replies and corrections.  Thanks for all the input.  I will put it to good use and will make sure due credit is given.

Shlomo ben Maved said:

Sorry, Tobias but you've made some blaring mistakes that I've noticed in just the first few lines…As it stands now I wouldn’t use or recommend it for reference…It needs a lot of work to fix the database and the information…Couldn't you have sorted the first column alphabetical to makers and shown all the offshoots from that as for an example you have Frost scattered from top to bottom and what is this obsession with Smokey Mountain?

Benchmade's Red Label was Chi-Comm made and they still produce a number of their models in Taiwan and I believe Japan BUT SMKW has absolutely no affiliation with them except that they sell them--line 14.

Blackhawk has also nothing to do with SMKW, nor does Blackjack Knives, or CAS Iberia, or Entrek USA who is owned by Ray W. Ennis and is all USA made or just about all the labels they carry, although they do have some that are made for them exclusively like the Pakistani and Indian lines.

Being affiliated to SMKW you might as well say that Ka-Bar are affiliated to Tomar's or Bladeworks or any other brick or Internet store as SMKW is just a retailer same as the others...A retailer like AG Russell who carries some custom makers like Bob Dozier and Randall Knives also carries some of the self same brands but he at least designs and has made for him a number of models or will have a very unique model of a production run created by a commercial maker--like the only pink G10 handled knife issued to the public of a CRKT design.

Better check your ESEE formerly RAT entry which is the parent, owned by Mike Perrin and Jeff Randall and all the knives were and still are made in the USA--1st by Lively, 2nd by Ontario and 3rd by Rowan link: http://www.eseeknives.com/history.htm

Victorinox and Wenger are the same company and produce Forschner kitchen cutlery under a separate and different Victorinox banner head.

Remington Arms does not make knives, they are outsourced…Browning & Winchester Arms are owned by Fabrique National of Belgium and none of them make knives, they are outsourced…Beretta/Franchi/Sako/Tikka are owned by Beretta but they do own a very small knife company so they do make some but not all of their knives which are outsourced…

Italian MASERIN and along with FOX Knives/Fox USA with their sub-labels of Black Fox, Red Fox, Two Sails, Swan labels—Due Cigni &  Cigno – kitchen stuff, MD—military made some of the Beretta folders.. 

S&W are a part of Taylor & Co. as is Schrade and Old Timer and Uncle Henry and all are Chi-Comm and only Chi-Comm, not USA made along with their sub labels US Army and Boy Scout offerings.

H&K are made by Benchmade as are Harley-Davidson, Bone Collector, Lone Wolf (not the Paul Poehlmann and Bill Harsey collaboration of the same name) and are mostly made in the USA buy some are imported.

Boker is made in their own plants in Germany and Argentina and some of their lower and mid-range priced labels is outsourced Chi-Comm and Taiwanese knives.

Spyderco is made in Taiwan, Japan, China and USA and in that order of production…SOG and Gerber (owned by Fiskars) are the same as is Cold Steel since their tomahawks are made in the USA and some machetes are from South Africa.

Buck announced that they were reducing their reliance on Chi-Comm made knives but the jobs were not going back to Idaho since they're just switching to the other China, Republic of  (Taiwan) and to Indonesia and Japan...Cold Steel has dropped from around 50% of the products being Chi-Comm made down to about 15%...Gerber/Fiskars is about the same figures

Ontario Knives are made in USA and Taiwan and so is Ka-Bar but the Mule is Chi-Comm made.

Knives of Alaska is owned by Charles Allen, an Alaskan guide, whose headquarters is now located in Texas and the knives are made in the USA and for some reason I believe its in Oregon but not sure…He and other guides take all new knives and test them for a hunting season in Alaska

Tramontina is made in Brazil, Final Calle Libertad d/b/a Condor is from El Salvador,

Queen Cutlery Company was purchased by Servotronics Corporation of Buffalo, New York in 1969 and still produce the Schatt & Morgan knives in the USA as does Bear & Sons Ltd. and Canal Street Cutlery

USA based Katz Knives owned by Keith Derkatz and are produced in Japan,

Anthony Marfione is founder of Microtech Automatic Knives and makes with 95% of their own built products and so do Curtis Iovito and Mark Carey, Co-Founders of Spartan Blades, LLC as well as the all titanium knives by Mission Aerospace and Knives

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Permalink Reply by Roy Barrett on September 15, 2016 at 13:29

Greetings, I am looking for some information on this trade mark/logo...  I bought a wonderful blade from them a few years back and cannot locate the paperwork I received with it... Love the knife.

If you or recognize or can shed some light on the OEM, I would appreciate it. 

v/r

Roy  

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Permalink Reply by Billy Oneale on September 15, 2016 at 17:10

Was this a custom fixed blade?
It almost looks like it could be a Kousins Kustom knife

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Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on September 16, 2016 at 15:58

Roy,

I have looked at Goings and on the custom makers page.  I do not find the stamp on any of them.  I have asked James Ivy if it was ever his stamp and he says no.  Finding this maker may be difficult.  If you are looking for a custom fixed Blade I can tell you James Ivy at Kustom Kousins is awesome 

Roy Barrett said:

Greetings, I am looking for some information on this trade mark/logo...  I bought a wonderful blade from them a few years back and cannot locate the paperwork I received with it... Love the knife.

If you or recognize or can shed some light on the OEM, I would appreciate it. 

v/r

Roy  

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