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Comment by Jan Carter on April 23, 2016 at 18:15

This is an interesting list

WHERE ARE BUCK KNIVES MADE LIST

Comment by Jan Carter on April 23, 2016 at 18:13

Eric,

You did just fine opening it right here.  Whether it is a solo discussion or a general one, inside the Buck group is perfect.  It is regrettable that these types of fakes happen and it would be so time and dollar consuming for the manufacture to try to stop it.  What they do instead is try to make everyone aware it is happening and how to tell the differences.  

In today's world, you get what you pay for seems to be VERY true.  When they get to the point where they are charging what a real one costs it will be harder to tell them apart until you have them in hand

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on April 22, 2016 at 20:00

That is the Registered ® not Copyright © symbol which differs from a Trademark ™.

Trademark/Registered 

Copyright

Simply stated, a Copyright protects the design (for a specific period of years only) while a trademark protects the name or phrase (can be renewed forever). By altering the dimensions of an object (as little as 10%) you can nullify a patent/copyright but it is very hard to do with a trademark.  Prime example of the latter, lots of McDonald's and MacDonald's hamburger joints were shut down or had to change their name because they bore a similar name to the International Giant.

I had a fight with a number of Beckerheads over a knife that Boker was carrying that "looked" surprisingly like one of Ethan's knives.  I subsequently sold my entire and entirely complete collection of Becker knives because of their idiocy.  Boker, in a gentlemanly gesture, withdrew the knife from their catalogue -- not because of any legal matter that they, the Beckerheads or Ethan himself, could have done but for the simple reason that there was no copyright on the knife, never had been or for that matter ever could be.

The chances of getting a patent on a knife is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.  A snowball in Hell would have a better chance!  The materials of the knife can be patented but what new or innovative design feature can you put on a knife that really hasn't changed in 4,000+ years? 

Michael Walker patented his locking mechanism in the 1980s -- and it has subsequently expired so anyone can produce it.  CRKT has their Auto-LAWKS but both of those are on the mechanisms not the knife.  About the only thing I can think of is the Besh-Wedge (http://www.beshknives.com/besh-wedge.php) and that wasn't.

Chinese makers can make all the look alike models they want as long as they don't infringe on the Trademark by calling it a Buck, or Spyderco or any other makers' name. I have found the iconic Buck 110 folder made by so many companies, in so many countries, as to be mind boggling but as long a they don't put "Buck" on the blade it is 100% legal.  Then again, it is a copy of a Puma which was a copy of a Boker (or the other way around) which was a copy of a French design that was probably Spanish in origin.

As to using older name brand equipment for packaging, sorry, but the Chinese printers had the original plates for the boxes as Buck had and still has some of their models produced there and it is nothing to replicate, exactly, another item especially with CNC machinery, 3D printers, copy machine/duplicators etc.

Comment by Eric Leigh on April 22, 2016 at 18:23

I think I made a mistake here.
I am sorry for I am not familiar with operation, I should open a new discussion instead of making comment here.
I will make a new discussion later.
Thanks for all your replies

A Chinese pirate may buy one sheath from BUCK website and get some old box from eBay, and sell whole set to someone for $80 dollars.
Not every one as wise as you, they don't even know how to reach the BUCK website to see what the sheath looks like.
With the help of high technology, the imitation one may be identical to the genuine one.
The numeric controlled machinery can do good jobs to imitate the genuine version and even get a better result.
"The devil is in the details."

The last two "BUCKs" are from the imitation sheaths while the first two are from BUCK website.

If you compare the letters on the genuine BUCK sheath and the sheath along with the imitation, you will find that there is something weird following the letter "K" on BUCK sheath.
That is a copyright symbol.
The Chinese imitator didn't have the knowledge and might think it was a blemish and no need to copy.
The brass fastener with black letters was made for Buck sheaths before and you can find them on the Buck website.
The imitation got old sheath to imitate.
Unfortunately, Buck knives do not add the copyright symbol on their most Nylon sheaths, but I wish they could register the symbol as a trademark and use on their whatever products.
Piracy somewhat needs a better overall knowledge to make the imitation as close as the real one.
Old methods of imitation for BUCK knives can be identified in seconds because they didn't even try to make anything looks like the real one.
We need more experience to tell which one is knock off from thousands of knives.
If you look at the scales on the handle.
There is no such color of bright hue in most handles of Buck knives.
Buck knives do not tell us what kind of wood they use on scales of dymonwood.
Dymondwood is as simple as peanut butter and jelly, but the veneers used may vary.
I think the Chinese imitator failed to clone a dymondwood scale as Buck's or he just simplely thought that all dymondwoods are the same.
If you check eBay, you will found the Chinese eBayer haorenyige1899 is selling these fake Buck Alpha Dorado on eBay.
eBay has no abilities to handle these knock off knives.
Their focus is on how to attract more sellers and buyers including pirates and victims.
You can tell that his scales on the knives are different from of other sellers.
I think he is one out of many who make money for selling fake Buck knives on eBay.
If I feel something looks weird, I just don't buy it.

I welcome your comments and thank you very much for your time.
I will end up here and make comments on new discussion.

Comment by Tobias Gibson on April 22, 2016 at 9:07

Yep. Some yahoo is out there selling Chinese Made knives and calling them Bucks. They even sell them in Yellow Buck boxes. In a moment of stupidity I bought one. Thankfully I only wasted around $5. That said, it's been a good $5 knife so I'm happy with the knife after I sanded off the Buck Markings. Consider it a learning moment.

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on April 22, 2016 at 3:15

You may well have a USA made Dorado model knife but that pictured knife is a fake, a rip off, plagiarized so to speak, 

Why?  Look at the sheath.  Buck USA's sheath have a silver clasp without embellishments (blackening) to the letters and the pair have a retail price of $78.  Also, the sheath pictured is of a different leather and with different stitching

Buck sheath: http://www.buckknives.com/product/sheath-271-alpha-dorado/0271-05-BG/

The knife on Ali Express sells for $12.68 USD with free shipping to Canada.  The sheath alone from Buck is $13.00 USD, shipping additional.

search for Buck Knives on Ali Express

Comment by Danny Thompson on April 22, 2016 at 2:03

I will try to post a photo of my knife some time.  

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on April 22, 2016 at 1:04

Sorry Danny, but that is not an USA made knife  regardless of what it says on the blade or the box.  Look for major brands on sites like Ali Express and you'll see knives marked with famous makers' names but with model numbers that have never, ever, been produced by that company. 

Tobias has one, a true genuine boxed and marked Chi-Com fake Buck a few pages back (6 & 5).

There are dozens of sites complaining about Chinese rip off makers and products.

Roy, as to the store counter display box, I saw one being offeredfor $350 a few months ago and the contents would be at present MSRP as they are, AFAIK, all still being produced.

Featured Comment by Charles Sample on April 21, 2016 at 21:58

I bit on one of those Chinese fake Bucks when I first joined iKC about three years ago.  I hope I have since learned enough not to do it again.

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on April 21, 2016 at 19:53

That's a lovely Chi-com ripoff knife that should sell for about $4 - $5.

Regardless of how well made it is, ask Tobias Gibson about his X44, it's still a fake/forgery/counterfeit.

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