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Comment by Jan Carter on September 14, 2015 at 19:49

It appears to be easy to place on him when he is trying to get out to the woods

Comment by Jan Carter on September 14, 2015 at 19:48

I ended up with one of these

Featured Comment by Charles Sample on September 13, 2015 at 20:17

That is a good idea Jan. And for the same reason that hunters wear orange.
I don't have a dog so have no experience with them but I found this place by googling.

http://www.gundogsupply.com/dogvestparka.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwvdSvBRD...

Comment by Jan Carter on September 13, 2015 at 19:55

Hey do any of our hunters use orange vests for their dogs?  I need to get Case one so if he goes for a walk he is seen by hunters

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on September 11, 2015 at 21:37

This from another forum:

The people, or a portion thereof, should sue for breach fiduciary responsibility. Those guns belong to the people of that jurisdiction, who have been taxed at great expense so they could be entrusted to a police department which has been jealously lent a small portion of the peoples' authority. Those resources belong to the taxpayer, and the government has a responsibility to sell them for the highest possible price, in trust for those taxpayers. This isn't just mismanagement, it's open rebellion against the people.

Another coverage:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/31/anti-gun-stupidity-honol...

Featured Comment by Charles Sample on September 11, 2015 at 21:18

Just sounds like a bunch of idiots to me Jan!

Comment by Jan Carter on September 11, 2015 at 21:07

hmmmm, seems like a HUGE tax dollar waste to me

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - 8/06/15

The city of Honolulu will destroy $500,000 worth of old police guns instead of selling them to other law enforcement agencies or Honolulu police officers.

HPD has replaced more than 2,300 of its old handguns with new lighter, cheaper guns. Many police officers said those old guns still have value and should not be thrown away but sold or donated to be re-used instead.

Since 1990, Honolulu police officers have used Smith & Wesson 9 millimeter handguns and the city has replaced them with lighter and easier-to-use Glock 17s that cost about half as much as the Smith & Wessons. 

Hawaii News Now has learned that the city plans to destroy about 2,300 of the old Smith & Wessons in the next few weeks, including 200 of them that are brand new and still in their boxes.

"I don't understand the thinking of the administration as to getting rid of these guns when we could benefit from the recycling, as long as there are safeguards," said Honolulu City Council Budget Chair Ann Kobayashi.

In a statement, HPD said, "Mayor Caldwell and the Honolulu Police Department agreed that they would not allow the guns to be sold to the general public and end up on the streets of Honolulu.  The same goes for selling individual gun parts that could have been used to assemble a gun." 

Police discussed a number of options with city lawyers and budget officials, including selling the old guns with no restrictions on their future use which would have brought in $250 each or about $575,000.

Another option was selling them with the restriction that they could only be purchased by law enforcement, a move that would have generated $150 for each firearm or about $345,000.

Selling the guns for parts would have garnered about $100 for each gun, bringing the city $230,000.

The city said Smith and Wesson was not interested in taking back the old guns for credit as the company has in the past because the city was purchasing new guns from its competitor.

HPD officers said many of them were willing to buy back their old guns from the department, even going through a vendor for liability reasons, something that happens across the country.

"That way it releases the city and the police department from liability and they don't want the department to be in the business of selling weapons," said HNN law enforcement expert Tommy Aiu, who spent 30 years at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and has taught criminal justice at the college level.

The city budget department decided its rules do not allow HPD to sell any of the weapons to its officers, even though the department did that in the past, HPD said.

A police statement said neighbor island police departments use Smith & Wessons but they too are planning to replace them in the future and don't want any more.

But the state sheriffs division -- which also uses the Smith & Wessons -- hasn't heard from HPD with a donation offer.

American Samoa initially expressed an interest in acquiring about 250 of the guns, but HPD said following a change in administration there, the new administration is no longer interested.

“The only remaining option is to destroy the guns so they don’t end up on the street,” HPD said in a statement.

HPD could not immediately say Wednesday how much money the disposal of the guns will cost.

The department refused to allow Hawaii News Now to photograph the guns, which are being kept in a vault at HPD headquarters, citing “security reasons.”  HPD also refused to release a photo of the guns.

Copyright 2015 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved. 

Comment by Jan Carter on August 18, 2015 at 11:35

I do understand, as with any profession, there are bad apples.  But in most cases, I FEEL, the officer has a duty to protect the citizens and himself.  Second guessing if they are capable of making that decision should be happening during the hiring and training phase...not once they are on the street 

Featured Comment by Charles Sample on August 17, 2015 at 22:31

When I was on the police force in the 70's, in training we were told that disparity of force was a justifiable reason for using your firearm. I think we are going to see more cases where a police officer is beaten up or worse or he fails to prevent another victim from being harmed because he is too reluctant to use his weapon when he legitimately should.

Comment by Jan Carter on August 17, 2015 at 22:18

Right Charles !  Just because he was not holding a gun did not mean he was not dangerous

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