Steve, what do you plan on shooting with this rifle?

I don't know how far you you may have to shoot but if it's 200 yards and closer I would go with the .22Mag. Even if the coyote runs off, he's gonna die, if hit with a fair shot. The bullets are less expensive than most center fire calibers, that's another plus.

If I'm going to be shooting far distances I prefer a center fire rifle. 223, 22-250, those are both great calibers for coyote, even up to and above 300 yards. The 22. mag is a great choice if one is going for a lighter, easier to move rifle, also, ammo is even more readily available and at a cheaper price point. 

Also, the 204. is a deadly little cal. I have heard and seen great things from this round at over 500 yards. A buddy of mine likes to shoot long distance and one of his rifles is a 204. 

Steve....

When on the farm out and about I always had a firearm within a few feet of where I was.  I even carried a handgun on the tractor.  I suggest contacting a local law enforcement department and offer their SWAT team a chance to sharpen up their long range skills.  In their training it is drilled in them about watching the background of their targets...so I would doubt they would accidentally shoot livestock.  I grew up shooting around livestock.  In fact it was so common I would fire off a few rounds and the cattle would come over to where I was to see what was going on.  We would then herd in the pens for their shots, branding and the like.

Good point Robert.  Heck...the CCI Stinger does the job too.  However, the .44 mag in a rifle will dump them where they stand.  I try not to wound animals, including human targets.

He is really accurate at that distance, but it's not without reason. He practices a lot, which helps in everything, but his gun isn't an average joe rifle.

It's as custom as it gets and he has a big blocky fiberglass stalk on it. It's not good for much more than shooting far distances. The fact that the caliber holds up is really nice though.

We had a 204. on the far for a while, it was a tack driving Savage. 

Clint, I try not wound animals either but a predator eating my livestock has lost alot of his value to me and this world. When they come in my yard an kill my grand daughters little pets dogs time after time, they have lost any type of humane treatment from me. I shoot to kill but if they off with a bad wound that's just too bad.

Sounds like you and Steve need to team up and form a SWAT/C.

Special Weapons And Tactics for Coyotes.  Up on the farm we have a considerable amount but if you shoot at them each and every time they are seen, they tend to find an area with less metal in the air.  Yea....coyotes eat a lot of cats and even full size dogs when taken down by a pack of three or more.

Guys come out to your local benchrest club events in your area and watch shooting at 100, 200, 300, 600, 800 (F-Class) and 1,000 yards.

Five or ten shots into one hole at one, two or three hundred yards...At three hudred is just a wider hole...There is also rimfire benchrest shot at 50 yards.

The world record for 1K is five shots into a group 1.5" wide and I can mostly get mine down to around 5.5" and a bit smaller when I'm really heavy into the dope (reading wind etc.) and my best was just over 4.5".

This was a losing 100 yd 10 shot target using a .22 PPC LV rifle.

Clint, the coyote problem around here is very serious, they will kill all your chickens and sheep, inside a fence. They will also kill your small pet dogs and cats. I have been asked to help reduce their numbers around the area, I have found that what ever gun works for you is the one you should have. I use rifles, shotguns and pistols, what ever works in different situations. Your choice of caliber is a good one, heck they are all good if they get the job done.

.22 WRM is at best a 125 yd and max to 150 yd cartridge.

.22 LR is at best a 75 yd and max to 100 yd cartridge.

.17 HRM is at best a 140 yd and max to 175 yd cartridge.

.17 HM2 is at best a 125 yd and max to 150 yd cartridge.

Ballistics for the above:

.17 HMR

17 gr - 2,550 fps at 245 ft/lbs

20 gr - 2,350 ft/s at 250 ft/lbs

22 WMR

30 gr HP - 2,200 fps at 322 ft/lbs

40 gr JHP - 1,910 fps at 324 ft/lbs

50 gr JHP - 1,650 fps at 300 ft/lbs

.17 HM2

17 gr V-Max - 2,100 fps at 166 ft/lbs

.22 LR

40 gr Solid  ^-  1,080 fps at 104 ft/lbs

38 gr HP - 1,260 fps at 134 ft/lbs

31 gr HP - 1,430 fps at 141 ft/lbs

30 gr RN - 1,750 fps at 204 ft/lbs

32 gr HP - 1,640 fps at 191 ft/lbs

Anything over 150 yds should be shot with a centerfire rifle from .14 to .22...I/we use .17 Rem, .19/223, .19 Badger, .20 Tactical, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, .22 Hornet, .22K-Hornet, .220 Swift, .220 Coyote, .220 Squirrel, .224 Weatherby, .225 Win and others for coyotes and prairie dogs.

That's great, I hope everything is standing still. I hope the winds not blowing and I have my benchrest with me...Great statistics, though, we need to consider that for sure.

Robert and other outdoor lovers....

A good friend of mine who lives on an island off the coast of Nova Scotia, Canada reports to me there have been three confirmed kills of humans by coyotes.  They have lost the fear of humans.  Two children and one adult woman.  Be ready...be armed.

Only two fatalities from coyote attacks have been confirmed:

• In 1981 in Glendale, California, a coyote attacked toddler Kelly Keen, who was rescued by her father, but died in surgery due to blood loss and a broken neck.
• In October 2009, Taylor Mitchell, a 19-year-old folk singer on tour died from injuries sustained in an attack by a group of coyotes while hiking in the Skyline Trail of the Cape Breton Highlands National Park in Nova Scotia, Canada.

In both cases they died in hospital afterwards not ripped apart and devoured as some people make it out to be…The vast majority of attacks on humans, and there hasn’t been that many to begin with, occur against children…From Wiki on Coyotes:

• Coyote attacks on humans are uncommon and rarely cause serious injuries, due to the relatively small size of the coyote. In the 30 years leading up to March 2006, at least 160 attacks occurred in the United States, mostly in the Los Angeles County area. Since 1998 coyote attacks on humans have increased in the state of California. Data from USDA Wildlife Services, the California Department of Fish and Game, and other sources show that while 41 attacks occurred during the period of 1988–1997, 48 attacks were verified from 1998 through 2003. The majority of these incidents occurred in Southern California near the suburban-wildland interface.  
• In the absence of the harassment of coyotes practiced by rural people, urban coyotes are losing their fear of humans, which is further worsened by people intentionally feeding coyotes. In such situations, some coyotes have begun to act aggressively toward humans, chasing joggers and bicyclists, confronting people walking their dogs, and stalking small children. Nonrabid coyotes in these areas will sometimes target small children, mostly under the age of 10, though some adults have been bitten. 

Yes, actually, I do try to shoot coyotes when they’re standing still, as much as possible, but I have shot them whilst they were walking, loping, sleeping, in the midst of procreation, cavorting, defecating, urinating and a good friend took one at 600 yds with his brand new .338/06 (that we had just sighted in) as it was about to mark territory on our target stand but I have never shot—or ever will—them at a full bore run—I’ll not waste the ammo! 

I also will only shoot them in the late fall to early spring when their pelts have some value—I have a trapping license—the same as we do with fox, bobcat, lynx and have even taken badger and skunk—which will also come to the call.

I have used a portable benchrest, actually as often as possible, but that’s primarily, but not necessarily, for prairie dogs and since I can no longer shoot prone from the other positions I use shooting sticks or some solid item, like a big rock, fencepost, side of a tree, my backpack etc. to shoot off…Don’t you?

You got something against benchrest shooting?  Think about this—If it wasn’t for BR and varmint shooters you’d not have 70% of the cartridges, 80% of the optics, 90% of the triggers, 100% of the bedding systems and 100% of the synthetic stocks that are available today…Whether civilian or military—who in these circumstances copied—are beholding to BR and varmint shooters.

We don’t have any large animals except around three dozen chickens—but they are in a very stout coop—and a dog that nearly doubles the weight of any coyote.

Attacking livestock is another matter altogether but around here it’s feral dog packs that attack my neighbours’ sheep, goats or cows…Pigs, turkeys, geese and chickens are almost all in large commercial (breeder) barns…We have lots of herding dogs around but they stay with their flocks/herds and the owner is almost always nearby… Unless we know the canine running around—we have very harsh leash laws—collar or no collar—every stray dog is shot on sight!

Regardless on\of the situation or circumstances any and every animal deserves a clean, quick death and if injured put out of their misery as soon as possible!

Deliberately shooting beyond the known capabilities of the weapon;  deliberately shooting beyond the capabilities of the shooter; deliberately wounding the animal or unintentionally wounding it by an unlucky shot and not following spoor to dispatch it, is despicable and disgusting and the sign of a sadistic—maybe even psychotic—person…That shooter should have every and all of their weapons confiscated and never, ever, be allowed in the hunting field again. 

Comment by Robert Burris12 hours ago

That's great, I hope everything is standing still. I hope the winds not blowing and I have my benchrest with me...Great statistics, though, we need to consider that for sure.

I forgot and can't add to the last post but if you want to really learn about doping (reading the wind) then for sure you had better try benchrest shooting.

You have to shoot at the exact same climatic condition as your previous shot(s) so waiting for that moment is part and parcel to BR...Sure you can click your way around or hold Kentucky windage.

The moment the wind dies down, it will be a massed volley from the shooters and as fast as they can load and fire and a miscalculation could mean a difference of .0001 and a losing target.

Perfect is five, ten shots into .224000 not .224001, 243000 not .243001 or .308000 not .308001…Group is measured by using callipers across the widest point and subtracting the diameter of the bullet…If you shot a .233 group with a .22 calibre centerfire rifle then your score would be .233-.224=.009 and probably a place in the top twenty possibly the top ten.

I have been misunderstood a bit in this conversation so I think I'll just bail out of it a while. Steve, please let us know what caliber you choose.

Robert, I think you have brought up many great options for Steve and your points have been valid. Thanks for your contribution to this subject.

Schlomo, you have definitely taken a good interest into this subject and I have enjoyed reading your posts. 

Steve, please do let us know when you decide on your next boom stick.

Steve...

The other show is Sons of Guns on the same channel.  Sons of Guns is based out of Louisianan and American Guns is in Denver.  I like the American Guns much better as the owner of the other is just not a person I would like to work for.  A real &^%$*!!  American Guns is a great show but keep in mind the owner makes more money from the show than the gun business.  Also, they inflate the prices to wow the viewers.  Also, most drama is put on to keep the drama types coming  back.  You know the owner takes a chopper every where he goes to buy or deliver guns.  At about $500 an hour for the use of this chopper would cut deep into any profit.

But I like this show and watch it from time to time.

Older Ruger .22 Mark1 used to be Grandfather's target pistol.

This is a good friend's customized AR-15 with a random pattern camo paint job he did.I like this thing alot!

Awesome, looks like a great paint job and a beautiful firearm.

I bet that Ruger is hard to beat at the range, great piece.

Looks like heaven Steve.  Thanks for the picks.

Looks like a very good choice for those coyotes. What lenth barrel does it have and what distance do you have it sighted in for?

Hi All,

I just found and joined the iKC Arsenal group.  It's nice to have a firearm group along with the knife collecting community.  

I inherited a pair of Argentine Mauser Model 1891s, a rifle and a carbine, from my grandfather a few years ago.  After researching them for a bit I got the "bug" and started collecting WWII battler rifles.  I've accumulated a few U.S. rifles and some foreign ones as well.  There are some very fine rifles and handguns from that era.  The M1 Garands are among my favorites.

I was able to make a trip to the CMP store in Anniston, AL a few years ago where I picked up my third M1, a "Correct Grade" Harrington and Richardson.

Thanks for this great forum and group!

Steve, great choice.

The 223. will fly straight and will do a Yote in without a problem. Awesome choice!

Hey David, I'd love to see some pics and I'm sure I am not alone. Please post a few if you can. The M1 served our country well and is beautiful firearm, I will definitely have one in my collection.

Yea David, I'd like to see some pictures also.

...Called "the greatest battle implement ever devised" by General George S. Patton

It's worth having one or more in your collection.  Besides being pieces of American History they are great shooters.  I love shooting the M1 and there's nothing like the sound of the en bloc clip flying out after that eighth round.  ;-)

Friday is a good day to go to the range.  I'll take a few pieces, weather permitting.  I've been wanting to get some new pictures of my M1A1, all dressed up anyway.  ;-)

That's great Steve, the reason I asked the barrel lenth, is that almost all bullet ballistic charts are figured on barrel lenths of 26". People that may have a deer rifle with a shorter barrel will not have the bullet speed, inches of drop and energy, etc. that is posted on a ballistic chart for a given caliber or brand of bullet. I'll give you a few hints on hitting them running coyotes. Latter...

Headed to Ithaca this weekend, I'll try to get pics, but not sure how the owner will like that. We'll see.

Steve, the trick with shooting a running or trotting coyote at a distance is leading them. Just the same way a duck hunter leads a duck with a shotgun. Theres your reaction time and bullet time to the target. Different calibers have different speeds. That is a fast shooting caliber you have there, at a 100 to 150 yard shot try 1 foot in front. I am not familar with that caliber, so try that and see what happens. I hope this helps you.

Johnny,

Enjoy Ithica!

Jeremi, my cousin has had a .22 cal Ruger like that one for years. It has been a very dependable little pistol...

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Sounds like a nice deer rifle and a coyote killer.  I have a Ruger M77 in .270 win.  I bought this rifle in a retail store for $140.00.  Yes that is how long I have owned this rifle.  I use it for Chipmunks to Elk.  Right now I am looking for an older .44 mag Marlin lever action and an older 45/70 Marlin lever action.  Used is what I am looking for.

I bought a Marlin .444 lever action around 1971. I hunted deer with it until about 10 years ago. I had a hunting accident and had to start useing a lighter gun. I killed alot of deer with it over the years and never lost one that I hit.

Pat and Robert....

Yea I have a Marlin 30/30 which was made in the early sixties.  It was given to me last year by a good friend.  I like the lever action rifles.  I guess it is the cowboy in me.

I shot lever actions almost all my life. The .444 cal., .30-.30 cal. and a 7mm/08. I have been shooting a 7mm/08 bolt action for a while now because of medical problems but I love them lever actions.

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It has been a quiet end of summer but with fall upon us I was wondering.  What is the first item in your fall line up?  Is it an old favorite that you have out and are getting ready for the season or do you have your eye on something new?

That is great, wish you the best.  When is the drawing?  I saw some squirrel hunting in the outdoor group, I had heard season started for Johnny.  Hope they tell us some stories or show us some new guns

This is a friend who enjoys shooting and the custom AR15 behind her.

Nice smile you lucky dog.

I hear a good number of folks getting ready for the season but not so many here telling how they are getting ready

Went to the Gun and Knife show, this past weekend. 

Nothing exceptional in the way of knives, but they sure were selling plenty of guns and ammo.  Another show is scheduled in December and usually has more/better knives.

I did find me a nice little 380 and several boxes of ammo though.  (Gotta love "New toys".)

Hog,

You are so right.  Being aware is of your surroundings at all times is the most important part of hunting safety.  Our prayers are with the community of Annapolis MO today.

Steve

My heart goes out to all involved in this sad accident.So sorry to hear that.We have had a few incidences in Africa as well.