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Permalink Reply by rocky on June 16, 2009 at 19:22

Thank you for the kind words friend, much as I would like to take credit for the whole thing I cannot, I can only claim partial ownership.

The latter half of these eloquent words are courtesy of ayn rand, and I would encourage all to read her works, I myself have all of them.

Audio book copies as well. So that I might listen and learn from her work While I'm at the gym.

situations such as weapon bans are the perfect example of the collective overpowering the individual, after all, personal liberties are always asked to be sacrificed by the collective do-gooders.

I'm sure many people would say this is ridiculous because individuals make up the collective but alas that is not so.
the collective is vulnerable to mob mentality which often caters to the unenlightened and the uninformed which drowns out the thoughts and wisdom of the scholar.

The instant a man thinks first and foremost, what may I take from my fellow man? He has lost the right and the distinction of individual, he has become a plunderer and a slave to the base animal nature of humanity. He has discarded enlightenment in favor of force and he is wiped away his humanity.

the collective often loses its way, because it ignores the fact that man has natural rights, and instead believes that man is granted rights by other men, no man allows another to speak his mind freely to defend himself as he wishes or to be secure in his home and property, those rights are not given by men. They are taken away by men, and there is no right to enslavement, No right to deny and no right to claim that you have a right to another person's toil effort and intelligence.

Sorry friend, I seem to ramble on again, but could not take credit for words I did not speak.

However, in case are interested all the words in this response are mine and mine alone, well as much so as they can be anyway as I did not invent words and language lol

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KnifeMakerPermalink Reply by Nick Arsenault on June 16, 2009 at 19:53

sure you didn't invent words or language, but you are a master of thought and have the skill to put those words in to great peaces of well art, that's bolt vivid and strong... well done again your really capturing the rhyme and reason of this post... now im sounding like an English teacher...lol

do you like my idea of buying an island (or take it over... lol) and starting fresh with the same principles and rights as the ORIGINAL bill of rights and constitution???

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Permalink Reply by rocky on June 16, 2009 at 23:29

I think it is a grand idea and concept that is also a dreamer's first stepped into fallacy( no offense meant)which is the problem with a concept like this.

it hinges on the collective the unenlightened and the un-capable taking care of themselves which they will never do, they will not accept their own fate as failures unless they are forced to submit to reason by means of intellectual correspondents as well as a violence, but only!! if that violence is initiated first by them!!, the collective.

They will unfortunately pursue those that can create and sustain and try to re-enslave them because their morality demands it.

We have all had the dream of creating our own world. With these concepts an these beliefs we know to be true, the problem arises because we often forget that this concept was already done masterfully by men named Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin. Etc. etc.

True, they fled persecution from England, but the English followed them and then, in true collectivist plunder fashion, initiated the use of violence to re-collect the productive to serve them and their unjust desires. History shows us that there is in fact nowhere that the productive can go that they will not eventually be followed by the unproductive.

The do-gooder, the Socialist and the oppressor of man and his gift for creativity will pursue these people because they must! for they cannot maintain their society (or their perception of it) without the enslavement of the productive creative man's mind,as displayed by their! belief in the right to enslave.

if we truly want our freedom back, we must take it back HERE. The line must be drawn HERE we must say forcefully!! consistently and with unabashed confidence this far, no FARTHER.

An attempt to start over merely delays the inevitable pursuit it unfortunately does not stop it

hope you do not take my words as a negative or a belittlement of your idea. It is simply that history has already given us the blueprint of what happens when that idea is acted upon.

John Galt is the male hero of Atlas Shrugged, and typifies the Randian hero. By trade, he is an engineer, and has developed a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity that has the potential to change the world. However, in disgust at the Collectivism forced upon him at his workplace at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, he goes on strike, depriving the world of his invaluable invention.

To increase the impact, he persuades each individual of talent whom he considers to share his own ethical creed, to join him on strike, in a secret and secluded hiding place called Galt's Gulch.

the story of this book is the exploration of your hypothesis, I highly recommend it but it is quite long, if you would like I can hook you up with Galt's major speech in the book, a warning that it may offend some. I feel that life is too short to worry about being offended.

Take care

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Permalink Reply by J.J. Smith III on June 17, 2009 at 2:46

KNIVES TOO !!!

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Permalink Reply by rocky on June 17, 2009 at 4:32

looks like my savage, only with a nicer scope,btw jj you a 1911 man? don't know why but for some reason. You strike me as such.

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Permalink Reply by J.J. Smith III on June 17, 2009 at 9:00

I like the slim profile of the 911, but I prefer the grips on the M9.

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KnifeMakerPermalink Reply by Nick Arsenault on June 17, 2009 at 13:03

yes m9 love it... built by berreta, the civilion version the 92fs... i like it alot...lol

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KnifeMakerPermalink Reply by Nick Arsenault on June 17, 2009 at 13:06

so how do i slap every single one of those governmet people in the face with out getting shot by the sniper's on the roof??? (im not being literal now, but id like to do that too...)

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Permalink Reply by 1013637 on June 17, 2009 at 14:59

I SAY WE KILL THE SHEEPLE FIRST>

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Permalink Reply by 1013637 on June 17, 2009 at 15:00

yes i like it dont forget to send the sheeple there too!

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Permalink Reply by rocky on June 17, 2009 at 16:12

the only thing we can really do is be incredibly focal and outspoken in our defense of liberty.

we must remember that the opposition has absolute confidence and conviction in spouting their drivel.

No matter how ignorant it makes them sound They do not! care no matter how awkward it makes them look they do not! care.

the only thing that we can do is shout them down with logic and reason,any time and every time we hear a misconception or a falsehood being spouted by their ilk we must!! respond.

It doesn't matter whether we respond with an eloquent soliloquy or a simple that is not not so, we must! respond.

If we are made to feel that we are in error. We must answer with, I still disagree, but I will look into it. Upon doublechecking our virtue and truth. We must then take the fight to those people again.

We must not feel intimidated, no matter who we speak to about our beliefs. It doesn't matter if they are able to spout off faults fact after faults fact we must hold fast to reason and logic.

There was a time when I myself felt that I was not good enough to debate people who I perceived had more intelligence than I, I came to realize that my perception of their intelligence was irrelevant and that being an advocate for truth was more important.

in advocating our ideology, will we feel we have lost the battle sometimes? Yes, we will. That should not deter us from speaking up at the next instance available to us.

We know for a fact that the opposition has no truth, has it stopped them from spouting their untruths and their misinformation? NO. It has not.

We must speak out and speak up and speak often. Otherwise we will be silenced.

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Permalink Reply by rocky on June 17, 2009 at 16:13

you should think about getting a pair of Crimson trace laser grips, my 92 FS loves them

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