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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by D ale on February 20, 2011 at 23:22

.. and Hog .. if you get a feel for "which ones" are going off-shore first .. give me a heads up  !!!!!!

 

I'm gonna need at least one more drafter .. maybe 2 if it's HOT .. I've gotta go through EVERY drawing before it leaves house .. it's more than just a matter of converting everything to metric ..

 

That's one function .. 3 keystokes .. .. .. .. when we get that 3D solids CADD package .. (hint hint hint)

 

It's the tolerance stack-up .. we've got to check every dimension against it's mating dimension .. at both extreme ends of the tolerance ranges .. for ea dim .. individually @ ea tol extreme .. against each mating part .. @ ea tol extreme .. BECAUSE .. the metric conversion is actually to "STD" metric gauges / thicknesses / dim tolerances ... and worst case .. clearance issues exist .. parts DO NOT / WILL NOT  fit !!!!

 

Oh yeah .. draftings probably going to want just one guy to assign to the std gauge / thickness / dim tol portion of it .. get somebody working with one of our matl's vendors on that one maybe .. get our comptroller to set up the initial contact between our supplier & .... whoever's needed  in drafting on our end.  That's something we could get rolling now .. start out based on whatever we're sorcing the most from them ..  ..  ...  ..  .. We may very well end up doing everything anyway !?!?!  ... did the lil twit make it in today even ???

 

If this is really HOT when it get's turned on .. we're going to need some warning .. Serious !!!

 

How's your blood pressure, Hog ?.?.?. .. 'n just how is the little twit ...... O0ah .. forget I said anything ???? 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 21, 2011 at 12:28

All speculation as to what the internal processes may be and as complicated as it all seems it may well be what they go through and its an engaging scene you painted there. makes you wnder if it indeed goes on.

Dale said:

.. and Hog .. if you get a feel for "which ones" are going off-shore first .. give me a heads up  !!!!!!

 

I'm gonna need at least one more drafter .. maybe 2 if it's HOT .. I've gotta go through EVERY drawing before it leaves house .. it's more than just a matter of converting everything to metric ..

 

That's one function .. 3 keystokes .. .. .. .. when we get that 3D solids CADD package .. (hint hint hint)

 

It's the tolerance stack-up .. we've got to check every dimension against it's mating dimension .. at both extreme ends of the tolerance ranges .. for ea dim .. individually @ ea tol extreme .. against each mating part .. @ ea tol extreme .. BECAUSE .. the metric conversion is actually to "STD" metric gauges / thicknesses / dim tolerances ... and worst case .. clearance issues exist .. parts DO NOT / WILL NOT  fit !!!!

 

Oh yeah .. draftings probably going to want just one guy to assign to the std gauge / thickness / dim tol portion of it .. get somebody working with one of our matl's vendors on that one maybe .. get our comptroller to set up the initial contact between our supplier & .... whoever's needed  in drafting on our end.  That's something we could get rolling now .. start out based on whatever we're sorcing the most from them ..  ..  ...  ..  .. We may very well end up doing everything anyway !?!?!  ... did the lil twit make it in today even ???

 

If this is really HOT when it get's turned on .. we're going to need some warning .. Serious !!!

 

How's your blood pressure, Hog ?.?.?. .. 'n just how is the little twit ...... O0ah .. forget I said anything ???? 

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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by D ale on February 21, 2011 at 13:06

Nada wrong with OSHA Don !!!!  I do care about safety in the work environment. Not every one does though. OSHA has certainly improved safety in the work environment. Unfortunately .. their jurisdiction is limited to w/i the US.

 

We're just playing here .. but as Don suggested .. there are still some crap businesses out there that have minimized their safety concerns ... hence the hints toward the greedy lil twit that would forego employee safety in pursuit of the almighty $$$$$

Don said:

and just whats so wrong with OSHA??? made crap businesses clean up and be more safety oriented. as per your reply, states you must be hooked up with a crap business. or not give a rats ass for safety...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 21, 2011 at 13:07

In the example Dale constructed it is entirely possible that some decisions were driven by companies seeking to avoid involvement with regulatory agencies. It does make you wonder if the agency you discuss has anything to do with production/tactical knife manufacturers halting domestic US production of low-end knives. (See Forum discussion: IS THIS THE END OF LOW END PRODUCTION KNIVES)

Don said:

and just whats so wrong with OSHA??? made crap businesses clean up and be more safety oriented. as per your reply, states you must be hooked up with a crap business. or not give a rats ass for safety...

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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by D ale on February 21, 2011 at 13:35

@ Hog ..

 

I was involved with the transfer of a couple products … FROM stateside production TO off-shore manufacturing facilities.

 

The tolerance stack-up was a serious issue .. but just a small technical issue in the overall scheme of things.  We ended up transferring ONLY the technical data on a few key product lines .. most everything else followed along the lines of their std existing off-shore production .. just stamped with our name on it.

 

…’n I was literally taken aback with some of the conversation I witnessed.  It never ceases to amaze me .. what people will do for  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

And when you tossed in the "family member" .... just exactly what extremes people will go to in their pursuit of  $$$$$$ ... 'n I didn't say happiness ... must now be considered  !!!!!

Hog Hanner said:

All speculation as to what the internal processes may be and as complicated as it all seems it may well be what they go through and its an engaging scene you painted there. makes you wnder if it indeed goes on.

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In MemoriamPermalink Reply by D ale on February 21, 2011 at 14:05

The whole (real world) excercise was an eye opener for me. I would not suggest there exist companies as a whole .. that may consider ... possible dis-reputable practices .... but,  INDIVIDUALS .......... you get the idea.

 

... and things one would not consider on the front side ... like the extreme theft of the required raw material .. copper foil / copper sheet / COPPER .. required in the manufacture of the pertinent product .. dmn near as good as money to the local brazilian employees. Scrap reclamation was abandoned in efforts to keep raw matl inventory current.

 

No, it wasn't the manufacture of knives .. and interestingly .. I looked for knives of local manufacture while I was down there .. all I could find was some kitchen cutlery. For slipjoints .. I had my choice of Swiss Army, Case, & Buck.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Thompson on February 21, 2011 at 18:00

Evening Hog, Looks to me like you have some mighty good responses. The only thing I would add is that I would have a long conversation with my borther-in-laws' sister as well.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on February 21, 2011 at 18:10

Thank you Jim, yes spirited discussion to say the least. I am intrigued by the level we can get to and truly wonder if any"CEO" is reading this and what his/her thought is! The scenario I pictured was a bit tongue in cheek but after reading so much about knife company history, I did think the layer of "family" was somehow appropriate.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Thompson on February 21, 2011 at 18:43

The layer of "family" is very appropriate. After all 'family" is the foundation of cutlery manufacturing in the "good old USA". Products from this foundation is still very collectable but it is getting hard to afford, especially after retirement.

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