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Comment by Clint Thompson on October 12, 2015 at 19:47

Thanks Jan. The force to snap an Old Timer of 50 years ago would have been super human. Yes 64 is much too hard for prying something. Personally I don't pry with any knife. It would have to be an extraordinary situation to cause me to pry with my knife. You break the knife and game over.

Comment by Jan Carter on October 12, 2015 at 19:27

Clint,

GREAT story and your right, it need to hold an edge.  But maybe the steel would have helped it not snap LOL

Comment by Jan Carter on October 12, 2015 at 19:25

I agree Howard 64 seems too brittle for that kind of flexibility

Comment by Howard P Reynolds on October 12, 2015 at 17:25

Moghal, I'm no expert by any means, but I'm thinkin that +64HRC is too hard to bend out to 45 degrees without breaking.

Comment by Clint Thompson on October 12, 2015 at 10:39

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Good question Smith. I look forward to someone who has the experience in forging fix blade knives.

 

I have a friend who grew up and lives in Colorado. He owns and overseas the Taylor Trading Post in Taylor Park Colorado. His name is Bruce Cranor. His father, Sherm Cranor was the one built most of the cabins there, with his own bare hands.

 

Sherm Cranor use to stay behind after his family left for the winter to cut blocks of ice out of Taylor lake. He would take the ice to their ice house and pack in sawdust. When fishing season opened up they would deliver the blocks of ice to the icebox (for you youngsters this is how you keep you mike cool) on everyone's front porch. The cabins were heated by wood burning stoves which you cooked on as well.

 

When he would hunt deer and elk for meat, he only took a pocket knife to clean them. One day it was late and snowing heavily. They had just shot an elk. Sherm was in a hurry to clean this elk and get it back to the house. Bruce, his son, told me his dad pulled out his Old Timer and jabbed it into the elk. With arms the size of a big man's thighs, Sherm cut upward so fast it broke the Old Timer blade backwards. This being the only knife they had, Sherm took a 50 penny nail he found in the back of the truck and with a pair of pliers he finished gut and quartered the elk. So the moral of the story for me is, if the blade can keep a decent edge when I use it for EDC or cleaning an elk, the metal it is made from is of little concern. I have used and will continue using a Gerber exchange blade lock back I bought when Gerber was called Legendary Blades.

Comment by Alexander Noot on September 3, 2015 at 5:00

Well like I said I'm drawn mostly to the Russell bowie.

But I know quite a few people who swear by their barkies.

Comment by Howard P Reynolds on September 2, 2015 at 11:51

Hahahahaha.  Well, of course you built your own M390 (great steel) blade, Alexander.  I guess I could tackle knife building, but the learning curve is too great, and I would like a knife finished in my lifetime, the end of which is in view (statistically).  Johnny Cash sang a song about a similar situation, called "One Piece At A Time".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM

Custom builders:  The few names I know have long since passed my price range.

I can well understand your point of view as a knifemaker.  There is little reason to pay big bucks for a knife you could build yourself.  From my perspective, the knife, whatever it is, is right there, already built, and is a credit card transaction away.  My hands hands don't get dirty, and I don't sweat near as much paying for it as I would making it. (Been watching History Channel's "Forged In Fire" knife making challenge)

Your professional thoughts are most welcome, and I agree that the A.G. Russell Shopmade Bowie is a fine piece of work.  Considering Dietmar Kressler or even Randall blades, this Bark River Bravo 1.5 is priced at $243., and the A.G. Russell is $395. - both high, but not outrageous.  As you suggest, the Ka-Bar Big Boss at about $146., although a different blade geometry than the Bark River, would give me an opportunity to try S35VN for various tasks.

Your comments are very important to me, and I will continue to mull them over.

Comment by Alexander Noot on September 2, 2015 at 7:29

Also....for a big blade...I don't know if S35Vn would be my choice. Stainless steels can be very suitable for a big blade...but S35Vn is (especially at Hrc60 or higher) isn't really geared towards that.

Comment by Alexander Noot on September 2, 2015 at 7:27

Howard, my personal dillemma is not so much whether the steel is any good.

(The grind on a blade has a lot more impact on performance (as long as the steel is at least decent) than the steel type used. You only have to check Jim Ankerson's test results for that, just compare the way the standard Manix performed in a supersteel versus how it performed with a regrind)

But more that of not wanting to pay custom/handmade level prices for what is essentially a production blade. That's indeed NOT a cheap knife. It is however kind of a simple knife (unlike the Shopmake Bowie which is a lot more complex in it's build).

I'm not saying the knife isn't worth the price. But it isn't worth it to ME. There are quite a few makers who would be willing to make you a similarly sized blade completely to your specs at that price.

In the end....it's all a matter of what you're wanting it for. I don't know if I'd be willing to pay THAT much extra just for S35Vn. Compared to say...a 440C blade, or a 52100 steel blade.

Like I said...I really like the Barkies...I'm just not willing to spend that much on fixed blades in unless they're true custom work. (It's why I made myself an M390 blade instead of buying the Bark River bolstered essential that I've been lusting over ever since it came out.)

If I had to pick between the BRK and the AGR and the KABAR that you just listed my choices would be as followed by different motivations:

For use and trying out the steel: the Ka-Bar

For the nicest knife: The shopmade Bowie by A.G.R.

For most collectible: The BRK Bravo 1.5 (Although I prefer the look of the Ramped one)

Comment by Howard P Reynolds on September 1, 2015 at 22:42

Thanks, Jan.  I took a look at the Ka-Bar options for S35VN.  The little Snake Charmer is a bit small for me, and I am looking for a hard use, or EDC knife with some bulk.  The Ka-Bar Big Boss is more suitable for me, although it comes in at a bare minimum of 4.5" blade length, and with a false edge on the spine, it wouldn't be the best style for batoning.  Still, it's a nice looking knife, and is less expensive than the Bark River Bravo 1.5.

 Actually, looking around for knives other than Bark River in S35VN steel I saw several that put the Bark River on the low end of the price scale!  Spartan Blades at $425., Koenig at $350., and White River at $299.  Of course, the old adage about buying 2 to use 1 gets a bit rough on the more expensive blades.

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