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Comment by James Cole on August 16, 2016 at 1:22

Jan,  It would be no surprise to me if CA passed a law that everyone had to wear a hazmat suit with a compressor on the back to collect the methane. 

Guess what? I'm moving to Arizona. 

Comment by Jan Carter on August 14, 2016 at 19:06

James,

LOL, being born and raised in California those figures scare me.  They may try to get you all to do what they are doing for the cows!

Comment by James Cole on August 14, 2016 at 17:32

Jan,

It is estimated that the population of Los Angeles is now more than four million. Given that average human being creates and releases between 1 and 1.5 liters of methane each day that means Los Angeles alone is adding from four million to six million liters of methane each day. I don't know what that equals in tons, but it helps us understand why California stinks so bad.

Comment by Jan Carter on August 11, 2016 at 15:42

This my friends is your laugh for the week.  California has decided they need to cut the production of methane gasses  Read here to see how

Comment by Jan Carter on August 8, 2016 at 15:20

Shlomo,

I was wondering how in your area you would keep from the freezing aspect!

Comment by Jan Carter on August 8, 2016 at 15:18

Clint! Making it look like an outdoor entertaining area is a great idea! This may work well for James also.

James, 

I could not do any of it without the neighbors knowing but if I did it in the winter only the three fulltimers would know and that would be ok.  It would be the summer visitors I would worry about

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on August 8, 2016 at 15:17

I got a 7'x8'x28' reefer box off an old meat delivery truck that came with metal shelves already installed...Dug a slightly sloped ramp into a small hill, placed pea gravel and weeping tile on the bottom, ran an electrical cable, placed the reefer box atop, filled in the hole (except for the door) and had an instant root cellar...A very small electric space heater (on a thermostat) is kept burning all the time during the winter just to keep the temp above freezing.

Built a second, insulated door 3½' behind the first to act as a buffer from the cold and an area to keep things frozen...Dug it in IIRC in 1986 and it's still going strong.

Comment by Clint Thompson on August 8, 2016 at 14:56

Ron...

Dig your hole to make the top of this concrete box at ground level. Four inches below the top place your access entrance frame. Then three feet blow this pour your floor. Around the floor dig now 24" and fill with rock the size of marbles for drainage. After this pore the sides as one setting on top of the floor. Latex cock around the interior base of the walls. Attach your stainless door and frame to the entrance. Place you survival supplies inside, latex cock the door frame and bury the sides including the door. You can spray the door and entrance with "Flex Seal". Use a double coat.

Then use the top of the box as a grilling area or shaded patio. All it looks like is a concrete slab for entertainment. You can dig you door out with little effort.

Comment by Ron Dumeah on August 8, 2016 at 14:33

I would love to dig a small storage area..root cellar. I need to get permits and have it done up in a plan. There goes any secrecy. The cargo containers are a great idea but I have read the do not do well underground. I was thinking of pouring a concrete box 6 by 6 and burying it in the back yard. It would probably fill with water over time and it would just be a big pool lol

Comment by Ron James on August 7, 2016 at 21:25

I think that would be a good option, If you could get it put in place without anyone knowing about it, would be a big plus. I thought about putting a 40 foot cargo container, with a 26 foot container on each side, connected together and doorways cut. And then covered with about 5 feet of dirt. But doing it would be hard without everyone in the area knowing about it. 

I am thinking just a small underground spot, to hide supplies and needed items would be best for me. 

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