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Comment by Jan Carter on January 14, 2015 at 19:47

Dan I like the idea.  i does keep it separate from other knives in case of gassing.  I can appreciate leaving it open so gas doesnt build up but I would rather just lose one

Comment by Dan Lago on January 7, 2015 at 8:25

075.JPG   077.JPG  Here are 2 pic of my food saver method.  The vinyl bag still seems tough and flexible (for thin plastic) after about 6 years at room temperature storage/display. Maybe new food saver bag after a decade or so...

The pile side is harder to see with the 1/8" plexiglass on that side.( rounded plexi- corners). You can still read the blade etch and tang stamps OK, but clearly not as nice as having the knife right in your hands. 

I have no reference for doing this- it is just an experiment, and like all surviving  very nice old celluloid knives, having nothing happen is not proof of anything. Still, I feel better than just having them out in the general population.

These are blue and brown celluloid swirl from Queen Classic early edition.  There are also a yellow and green in same pattern. Seller assured me they really are casein, but I since obtained a Classic in faux turtle, and it is blade-etched "casein".  I  trust the blade etch and think these really are celluloid.  .These queen classics are very hard knives to find because they were such small editions. Of the nine Queen Classic swing guards I know of, the five I have are torched sambar stag, red stag, and brown winterbottom, and the two celluloid. 

It is a tough call for any collector - get the old and very nice knife at some unknown risk.  This conversation has shown me, while I criticize and avoid celluloid, when I see one I really want, it gets in my collection.

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Comment by David Clark on December 31, 2014 at 15:01

Duke Biscotti,

These celluloid handed knives are stored in a drawer as shown. I was also told to not put then in enclosed packaging but to store them so that any off-gassing would dissipate and not be confined in a package where it would attack the bolsters and blades of other knives in the neighborhood. So far – so good.

Comment by Jean-François on December 31, 2014 at 10:15

Hi,

Duke: I agree with you, I think that the material of these winchesters IS smooth bone (see the irregularities of colour of the yellow one).

David: I can be wrong, but that’s not what I would call “Waterfall” (see below); now that I can see the lines on the new pics, I think it’s celluloid, but rather the “faux ivory” or “French ivory type” often sold as Pyralin – wich is a ® of celluloid. 

This WINCHESTER JUMBO SUNFISH KNIFE (Cartridge Series)  is a case Winchester Classic, # W 18 20110, .45-70 Cartridge Shield Series. Four different celluloid handles were available for this  11 th release in the .45-70 Cartridge Shield Series : Candy Stripe, Cranberry Gold Swirl, Tortoise,  and this Waterfall

I was told by a chemist that the handles of this CASE TESTED FOLDING HUNTER (1920-1940) are made from BAKELITE.

Comment by Duke Biscotti on December 31, 2014 at 8:25

thanks much.  i'll examine this with interest.  the burnt orange bone this mentions is actually a jigged bone with an orangish color.

Duke Biscotti

Comment by Carl Bradshaw on December 31, 2014 at 8:21

Duke, here are some pages that Risner wrote back in the mid 90's about these knives, and I did see "Burnt Orange Bone" listed, so that may be what yours are.  I'm not sure which pattern number you have, but this may help.

Comment by Duke Biscotti on December 31, 2014 at 8:07

here are two shots that are closeups of the material on these winchesters produced by Queen between 1987 and 1992.  this is not the same material as the knives David just posted (which by the way are really beautiful).  it REALLY  looks like smooth bone to me, but perhaps it could be horn or bakelite????  any ideas?  by the way, David, what precautions do you take with your waterfall knives in storing them?

Comment by Duke Biscotti on December 31, 2014 at 8:02

Comment by David Clark on December 31, 2014 at 7:47

http://http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.htmlI have selected three Schatts with what I call waterfalls handles. These have very “active” waterfall “action”. Hopefully these photos will show that.  In the Dollar Knife sales literature, Schatt calls this material Pyralin and sometimes Ivory Pearl. I am attaching a Schatt & Morgan sales flyer also as information, hopefully you can read it, and it is a large image. There was an article published in Knife World in 2000 that is available to read at this site: http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.html, a wealth of information on celluloid. I don’t think these knife handles are Bakelite so I won’t put them to the flame test yet

Comment by Duke Biscotti on December 31, 2014 at 6:59

Hi again:  RE: celluloid handles on Winchester reproductions made by Queen between 1987 and 1992.  

i have just looked at my collection again and have 4 knives with handles like below on the 2880 1/2 that appear to be a smooth bone to me, although Price calls them waterfall.

i also have two Christmas trees, one goldstone and one charcoal ruby copper.  all 8 of these knives are from 1987, 88 or 89.  all  of the handles look absolutely perfect, like the day they were issued.  These knives are all about 25 years old.  does anyone feel there is any danger of these knives degenerating or adversely affecting other knives, if i keep all of my knives in their boxes in a cool dark place?

thanks

Duke Biscotti

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