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Permalink Reply by Billy Oneale on May 21, 2012 at 22:58

I have around 4 or 5. I find them to be ok for what they cost. I believe that Master Cutlery is the parent company. I bought the pink ones for my wife's collection.

Permalink Reply by Billy Oneale on May 21, 2012 at 23:01

Here are the others that I found pictures of.

Permalink Reply by J.J. Smith III on May 21, 2012 at 23:10

Toby,

CC has a bad habit of naming knives what they want, whwther or not they're called something else.

I've got a couple of Elk Ridge fixed blades,  good but nothing to write home about.  Fit and finish is about average and on par with SW and RR.  Leather sheaths are better than any I've seen on a SW, though not as nice as those on RR.

Still not bad for a $10-$12.00 knife.

Permalink Reply by J.J. Smith III on May 21, 2012 at 23:22

I like that stag lockback, Billy.

Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on May 22, 2012 at 9:01

Knives Live and Tactical Knives TV and Cutlery Corner all sell knives. which I consider a good thing. In fact the more knives have presence on TV, on the web, in stores and on places like eBay the better off we are as collectors. There are choices out there and you can collect what you want, when you want.

I would like to see things called what they are, if its a stockman knife call it that, its not a rancher or a puppy gup or whatever. Call the brand anything you want but stop inventing new names for the same style knife.

Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on May 22, 2012 at 11:18

I with you Steve.

I hate it when folks create names for knives.   I know there are times when  a new name has to be created.  The two examples that come to mind are "Sharpfinger" and "Sodbuster"    I think Schrade owns the TM for the "Sharpfinger" knife which is a well known pattern of upswept skinner  and Case owns the TM for "Sodbuster"  So if another compnay makes a similar knife they'll give it a new name.   And typically is the knife being sold on the show is a house brand they have now problem saying  this is "Dirtbuster" or "Shotbuster" we call it that because we can't call it a Sodbuster.    For the longest time, I always heard that pattern of knife was known as a "Folding Skinner" because it was a large frame knife with a skinner blade.  I've seen the various brands market is a  mule skinner, work knife, farmer knife, sodbuster,  dirtbuster,gator getter, shotbuster, you name it. But I never hear it called a folding skinner. In fact, the general public says its a "Sodbuster" made by Frost, Elk Ridge, Remington, Rough Rider, etc.

I think this is what drives a lot collectors crazy.   Some companies go by pattern numbers  but some knives get names assigned to them and then if it is successful everyone copies the pattern and creates a new name for the same knife.  Its bad enough when the knife is new but when new names are assigned to well known generic pattern names, its is just annoying as can be. It is even more annoying when the name assigned conjurs up one pattern but the knife resembles another pattern.

I think it is important for the hosts of the shows to tell us what the knife is and not just make it up as they go along So if a Company calls a cigar jack a "Cattle Knife"   the host should say it is cigar Jack.   and not a Cattleman, which is an entirely different pattern.   And is some company puts a spay blade where the punch belongs on a Cattleman, the host should say, well it is actually a Stockman and not a true Cattleman.  

And if someone replace the pen blade on on peanut spay blade, they should market it as baby dogleg trapper and not a true peanut.

Steve"Hog"Hanner said:

I would like to see things called what they are, if its a stockman knife call it that, its not a rancher or a puppy gup or whatever. Call the brand anything you want but stop inventing new names for the same style knife.

Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on May 22, 2012 at 17:25

The other thing is this and its is very true, knowledge goes along way. If the hosts of the show or the web site or whatever can speak a little about what the knife is or its history or background or status. That is a huge plus for an experienced or inexperienced collector. It makes you feel informed and part of a tradition that has gone on for the longest time. Its just more enjoyable especially to somebody who really likes to collect.

Tobias Gibson said:

I think it is important for the hosts of the shows to tell us what the knife is and not just make it up as they go along So if a Company calls a cigar jack a "Cattle Knife"   the host should say it is cigar Jack.   and not a Cattleman, which is an entirely different pattern.   And is some company puts a spay blade where the punch belongs on a Cattleman, the host should say, well it is actually a Stockman and not a true Cattleman.  

And if someone replace the pen blade on on peanut spay blade, they should market it as baby dogleg trapper and not a true peanut.

Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on May 22, 2012 at 17:54

You are so Right Steve and that is really the key difference between Cutlery Corner Network  which is too busy telling you how to resell the knives and get go into business doing what Jim Frost did and KnivesLive and Tactical Knives TV who actually  talk knives, tell you about the knife in front of them and actually answer your questions on the air.  

I've heard similar things about the "Hoppin' Mad Hillbilly" on the web but I have a hard time watching shows on the computer.

Of course I know they are all trying to get me to buy something  and of course I know they are going to make a profit no matter how good the deal seems but it is just feels better when people are talking to you and actually know their product and enjoy selling it.

Steve"Hog"Hanner said:

The other thing is this and its is very true, knowledge goes along way. If the hosts of the show or the web site or whatever can speak a little about what the knife is or its history or background or status. That is a huge plus for an experienced or inexperienced collector. It makes you feel informed and part of a tradition that has gone on for the longest time. Its just more enjoyable especially to somebody who really likes to collect.

Tobias Gibson said:

I think it is important for the hosts of the shows to tell us what the knife is and not just make it up as they go along So if a Company calls a cigar jack a "Cattle Knife"   the host should say it is cigar Jack.   and not a Cattleman, which is an entirely different pattern.   And is some company puts a spay blade where the punch belongs on a Cattleman, the host should say, well it is actually a Stockman and not a true Cattleman.  

And if someone replace the pen blade on on peanut spay blade, they should market it as baby dogleg trapper and not a true peanut.

Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on August 3, 2012 at 17:56

On weekend morning while I am up at 5am and nothing is on I watch Cutlery Corner while I have my coffee.  It drives me crazy when they call a knife something, I look up thinking what on earth is THAT?  Only to find out it is a sodbuster or a stockman or something.

Tobias Gibson said:

I think it is important for the hosts of the shows to tell us what the knife is and not just make it up as they goalong So if a Company calls a cigar jack a "Cattle Knife"   the host should say it is cigar Jack.   and not a Cattleman, which is an entirely different pattern.   And is some company puts a spay blade where the punch belongs on a Cattleman, the host should say, well it is actually a Stockman and not a true Cattleman.  

And if someone replace the pen blade on on peanut spay blade, they should market it as baby dogleg trapper and not a true peanut.

In MemoriamPermalink Reply by Robert Burris on August 7, 2012 at 18:43

I believe some knife distributors like an uneducated knife clientele. They may believe this helps them sell knives, the less the customer knows about kinves the better they like it. I am not saying the company you are talking about does this, I just don't know, but some do for sure.

Permalink Reply by Billy Oneale on October 14, 2012 at 21:47

I've been watching SMKW when it's on, but rarely watch Cutlery Corner anymore. I have seen some Colt's on CC and I also saw them selling a RR about a month ago. The Saturday Night Knife and Gun show usually shows products from both companies. I've been noticing that SMKW is starting to show a lot of United Cutlery products lately. I think United has the rights to Camillus now. The Les Stroud Camillus that I bought a couple of months ago is owned by United Acme. Of course, I could be wrong, but that is what I think.

Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on October 15, 2012 at 9:31

Hi Billy.   Camillus is not owned by United Cutlery but Acme United.  Acme United is a large conglomerate that owns Wescott, Clauss, Physicians Care, Camillus and Western to name of few..  They bought Camillus in an effort to expand into  outdoor cutlery  Their other lines of cutlery are primarily  gardening tools and surgical instruments.

United Cutlery owns the Hibbens brands as well as Kit Rae and United.  I think the main connection with United and SMKW is Kevin Pipes, current owner of SMKW and former president of United Cutlery.

I think the reason you're seeing the occasional RR, Marbles, and now Colt's on Cultery Corner is this is old stock that SMKW is trying to move.  You see the same thing happen occasionally on SMKW with older Hen & Roosters and Kissing Cranes.   

While it is true that Jim Frost (Cutlery Corner)  and Kevin Pipes (SMKW) are fierce competitors, they are also friends.

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