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M1 Garand Bayonet Knife
This M1 Garand Bayonet Knife…. This belong to… my Father’s. Yes, My dad’s his!! When my dad graduated Seton Hall University of 1955 in Irvington, NJ. He was very young man. In short time, He joined US Army at Fort Dix Base in Fort Dix, NJ. He was Military Police and Drill Sergeant Master of 78th Division US Army for 10 years until retired in 1966. So He did kept Bayonet knife while he leave the army…… it sit inside his old toolbox for 60 years! Until my dad’s death. I did took his bayonet knife out of old toolbox. I take care of it from him for now.
I am very surprised my dad did took care and cleaning of bayonet knife. Never rust at all! Amazed very, very good condition!
I notice tang “PAL” US… I never see this Tang Stamp “PAL” I puzzle it. I have no idea where it come from… No Clue… I wonder If anyone know about this Tang Stamp 'PAL"?
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Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on
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Michele, PAL started out as a division of another company called Utica Knife and Razor, and was based in Utica, NY. The knives were made in Germany during a period of 1924 -1939. Tang stamps said PAL and PAL Brand and included Germany.
In 1934 a gentleman by the name of Otto Krause started the Pal Blade company in Chicago, Il.
In 1935 the two Pal companies joined together and had manufacturing facilities in Plattsburgh, NY.The stamps used the were PAL Blade Company , Made in the USA and PAL Cutlery Co., Made in the USA
PAL also produced knives for the US Military during WWII under contract.
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Permalink Reply by Michelle "Fingers" DellaPelle on
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Ha! thanks for explaining about it... I didn't know this PAL. I keep to remember this history. Thanks!
Steve Hanner said:Michele, PAL started out as a division of another company called Utica Knife and Razor, and was based in Utica, NY. The knives were made in Germany during a period of 1924 -1939. Tang stamps said PAL and PAL Brand and included Germany.
In 1934 a gentleman by the name of Otto Krause started the Pal Blade company in Chicago, Il.
In 1935 the two Pal companies joined together and had manufacturing facilities in Plattsburgh, NY.The stamps used the were PAL Blade Company , Made in the USA and PAL Cutlery Co., Made in the USA
PAL also produced knives for the US Military during WWII under contract.
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Permalink Reply by Chuck Parham on
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Fingers, I did some research on your bayonet tang stamp:
PAL- Manufactured by Pal Blade & Tool Compny in Plattsburg, NY. This is the M1905 bayonet, sometimes referred to by bayonet collectors as the 1942 because that's when production of the design modification of the WW1 bayonet began. PAL had considerable quality control issues early on and only produced 210,000 M1905's.They also produced 340,000 M1 bayonets. They produced these bayonets between April 1942 and May 1943.They finished producing bayonets for the M1 line in 1944. They were doing conversions of 16 inch bayonets to 10 inch bayonets through 1944. Any company producing conversions could convert any other manufacturers bayonets and marked them with their stamp along with "CONV" to designate who did the conversion. They were 1 of 6 manufacturers The bayonet had either black or brown plastic handles.
You have a very nice bayonet. A lot of service personnel kept their weapons and stored them correctly with appropriate cleaning and preservation tecniques as they were taught in training. I had an uncle who stored his with a coating of cosmolene which was almost impenetrable by moisture. But he was more into making sure things lasted forever. Most used a good oil and periodically cleaned them to inspect for any problems.
Thanks for sharing the pics with us!!
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That's a good one Michelle!
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Permalink Reply by Jan Carter on
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Awesome Bayonet and a great family heirloom. The guys have found you some excellent Pal information. We have a gentleman here that collects PAL's pocket knives. Check the out http://www.iknifecollector.com/photo/pal-2-brothers-2?context=user
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forget to add saying. Problem is.. Do not have scabbard for bayonet
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PAL pocket knife? very interested!
Jan Carter said:Awesome Bayonet and a great family heirloom. The guys have found you some excellent Pal information. We have a gentleman here that collects PAL's pocket knives. Check the out http://www.iknifecollector.com/photo/pal-2-brothers-2?context=user
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I have been notice varies vintage bayonet knives are not same name. M1 garand bayonet makers included but are not limited to: Pal, AFH (American For and Hoe), Utica, UFH ( Union Fork and Hoe), OL (Oneida Limited), and WT (Wild Drop Forge and Tool). They are same bayonets!
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As I mentioned, there were 6 companies who made bayonets for the military in WW2. As far as them all being the same, yes they are. When the military awards contracts for items like this they need massive quantities. No one manufacturer can produce enough in the time needed. They award a contract with required specifications. Dimensions, materials, color, drawings, instructions and so on. This way several companies can all manufacture the exact same item without variation. I used to have a M-1 Garand rifle. There were several companies that made the M-1's but all the parts were interchangable between guns of the different manufacturers. AND a bayonet from PAL would fit any rifle exactly the same as one from OL, or UFH, or WT. If you laid a bayonet from each of the 6 manufacturers side by side you would not be able to tell them apart without looking at the tang stamp.
You can always pick up a scabbard at a gun show. There are plenty still around. They would cost you about $25 more or less depending on condition.
Michelle "Fingers" DellaPelle said:I have been notice varies vintage bayonet knives are not same name. M1 garand bayonet makers included but are not limited to: Pal, AFH (American For and Hoe), Utica, UFH ( Union Fork and Hoe), OL (Oneida Limited), and WT (Wild Drop Forge and Tool). They are same bayonets!
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I agree! My father told me all about M-1 Garand rifle with Bayonet, while He were taught in training an US Army at Fort Dix Base in 1955's. I wish i could have nice M-1 rifle. It would be nice.... LOLOLOL Good idea. I can go there at any gun show or flea market relate to army & navy things for buying the scabbard.
Chuck Parham said:As I mentioned, there were 6 companies who made bayonets for the military in WW2. As far as them all being the same, yes they are. When the military awards contracts for items like this they need massive quantities. No one manufacturer can produce enough in the time needed. They award a contract with required specifications. Dimensions, materials, color, drawings, instructions and so on. This way several companies can all manufacture the exact same item without variation. I used to have a M-1 Garand rifle. There were several companies that made the M-1's but all the parts were interchangable between guns of the different manufacturers. AND a bayonet from PAL would fit any rifle exactly the same as one from OL, or UFH, or WT. If you laid a bayonet from each of the 6 manufacturers side by side you would not be able to tell them apart without looking at the tang stamp.
You can always pick up a scabbard at a gun show. There are plenty still around. They would cost you about $25 more or less depending on condition.
Michelle "Fingers" DellaPelle said:I have been notice varies vintage bayonet knives are not same name. M1 garand bayonet makers included but are not limited to: Pal, AFH (American For and Hoe), Utica, UFH ( Union Fork and Hoe), OL (Oneida Limited), and WT (Wild Drop Forge and Tool). They are same bayonets!
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