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Comment by Jean-François on November 9, 2014 at 7:44

Very impressive! Thanks a lot to you, Dan and Frederick!

Comment by Jan Carter on November 9, 2014 at 7:15

Wow, Both of you gave us some great info there!

Comment by Frederick Fisher on November 8, 2014 at 22:23

Here's my view of the knife.  First of all, this knife is made on the No 19 pattern but it only has the 19 style spay blade.  The No 19 trapper was never made in the stainless era.  It did not come out until 1958.  They did not make the delrin winterbottom in the stainless era and never made a single blade version in that era.  This knife with that spay blade was not made in the that era.  The nail nick is on the wrong side of the blade to far out and the wrong shape. So what does all this mean, that this is a contract knife made to customers orders.  I have a former  good friend and distributer of Queen knives who told me he sold these type of knives to a truck farmer in California who gave to the workers to use and the reason for the spay blade was no point so no one got stuck.  No etch and no identifying number was less cost.  I feel this knife was made much later and was a good work knife.  

Comment by Dan Lago on November 8, 2014 at 16:09

Dave,

I saw this knife on Ebay - right?  Big spey blade....probably more targeted to genitals (farm animals) than fruit when it was made. I am not strong on the older knives, but the Q centered over "stainless" is often associated more with very early 1950s and not used for too long . 

Your photo s great -- I think it is delrin handle - so smooth?  I am often surprised at how early delrin was used and how long the transition from bone took.  I have a model 36 from mid 60s that is bone.

Lot of detective work and hard-won knowledge with Queen knives.  I hope soon Queen will add some catalogs from the 1950s to their Historical documents and lots more questions will be easy to answer.

Thanks for posting

Dan 

Comment by Jan Carter on November 8, 2014 at 6:53

Dave,

Glad you have found Queen and are liking them.  Those heritage series Jacks are sweet I can see why it went straight to the pocket!  Check out the new workhorse series also.  Wont break the pocket, is very much like the one you just pictured and makes for one heck of a user

Comment by Dave Steiner on November 7, 2014 at 20:37

I'm fairly new to knife collecting... just always had a knife but didn't know much about them.  Been reading and learning more about knives and bought 3 new S&M recently... along with the Doctor's knife below, another pearl handled Doctor's knife (would make a great pipe tool but I don't want to mess them up) and a great Heritage Series Jack that's my current EDC.  Found this older queen and it arrived today.  Looks to be later 1940s.  Nice knife!  I'm liking Queen... old and new! ;-)

-ds

Comment by Dan Lago on November 1, 2014 at 15:04

Dave,
The Queen historical document section will not have definitive info on your doctor's knife, because it was a special factory order (SFO), as shown by the 1 of 100 etch. Doctors knives first appeared in '92 Schatt & Morgans repro models, and the '94 knife was the first one with the spatula blade. New patterns are often popular for special orders/club knives etc., so I kind of like Ron Cooper's suggestion of '94. If not then, probably within a few years - mid '90s. Heree is the link to Schatt series reports in Historical documents: http://www.queencutlery.com/uploads/Schatt___Morgan_Annual_Series_I...

I have seen several pocket knives in a discontinued handle material called "Swamp grass" (by online collectors-not the company)in the mid-to late '90s. _ I have never seen "Mossy swamp" right on the box - thanks for that Again it suggests sometime in the mid to late '90s.

Clarence Risner was doing many special orders in those days and might well be the source - In my experience, he does not worry too much about the past knives and documenting what he ordered as long as it is sold out. He can be very cordial, so that is where I would check, or Mike Latham at Collectorknives.net since also has done many SFO knives.

Best of luck. The more you buy, the more mysteries you will have. Collectible knife. You bet.
Dan

Comment by Ron Cooper on October 31, 2014 at 15:06

Ya know what, Dave...I'm gonna step back from my statement about your knife being made in '94. Because, although the numbers correspond to your knife, my records indicate that the S&M Doctor's knife in '94 were an orange colored corn cob jigged bone. So, I guess your Mossy Swamp remains a mystery?

Comment by Ron Cooper on October 31, 2014 at 14:38

I believe your knife was made in 1994, Dave?

That's the year that the numbers - 042 296 - etched on the spatula blade seem to correspond to.

Comment by Dave Steiner on October 31, 2014 at 10:46

Have a question about a S&M knife I recently bought.  It's a Limited Edition Doctor's knife, no date.  The box states "Mossy Swamp":

I can't find any reference to that handle material.  And does anyone know what the date would be?

thanks,

ds

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