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Now that is way too controversial to talk about here!

You know we all are passionate about topics we feel strong about- for some folks it's football (War Eagle!), for others it's religion (..let's not go there), for others it is politics (...don't go there either), but there are many others.

Really though there are hot topics with just about every subject matter and when you mix a room full of individuals together (virtually or real world) there is always the potential for heated discussions... cause we just see things differently.

We have been very fortunate here at iKnifeCollector. I have watched, for going on two years now, our members abide by our community "understandings." We all get along very well considering all the different opinions and preferences represented. And do you know what? These differences make our community unique...and interesting. 

Like you, I enjoy meeting knife folks from all over the world- folks who like different type knives- some production and others handmade, some brand new and others covered with patina, some great big Rambo type knives, while other knives are those little pearl Sunday knives.

One thing I've witnessed about our community too is our respect for each other and how well we allow our fellow members to have, and share their opinions. Do we always agree with each other? No we don't, but we handle it like good neighbors- not feuding kinfolks.

With all this said, I do have a question though. And while I don't want to discuss all the particulars here (not right now anyway), I do want to get your opinion on this question-

 

What do you think is THE most controversial topic you've seen talked about when it comes to knives?

 

 It goes without saying- I don't want any people's names here or any of the actual details of the argument, only high-level topics and/or identifying the subject matter.

 

...I'm just curious :)

 

 

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Comment by James "Clifford" Townsend on February 2, 2011 at 12:58
Well yeah and I'm not saying we should go stab these people just saying the thought occurs under the right circumstances and what is called civilized is a whole other topic...lol...PS sorry about the nightmares
Comment by Robert G. Mitchell on February 1, 2011 at 20:39

James come on now isn’t that why we call ourselves civilized. Every time we’d like to act out, to stab, or shoot someone why do we hold back? Because we understand that life is a gift, you have one chance to make it right, how will you use your chance? I’m a combat vet from the Viet Nam era and I still have the nightmares about the way I was, and guess what, I’m not that guy anymore. I still love the steel, and I still love to shoot, but the fear and hate isn’t there anymore.

"How very little can be done under the spirit of fear." Florence Nightingale  

Comment by James "Clifford" Townsend on February 1, 2011 at 18:43
But Tony what if you want to stab someone?....lol.....and come on lets be serious who cant come up with someone they would like to stab especially in traffic?....or an ex maybe....rotten parent....any politician on the planet....maybe a lawyer or 10...come on someone tell me they chuckled...
Comment by James Fry on January 30, 2011 at 20:15
Well Tony. They drink warm beer too, so I guess they have a short circuit somewhere.
Comment by Tony B on January 30, 2011 at 16:35

Knives and the law.  Most think in the UK think if you want to carry a knife you want to stab someone.

:-(

Comment by lg&m on January 30, 2011 at 14:41
People see knives only as weapons. (Anything can be a weapon with the wrong intentions) Not as art, or tools or even just a hobby / collection. I feel when people are unhappy with the lack of control they have in there own lives they want to control others.
Comment by James J Kelley on January 30, 2011 at 11:06
Chris is correct in his statements about the ban everything people. These people will not be happy until you have to be fingerprinted and registered in order to buy a softball bat!
Comment by Chopper on January 30, 2011 at 9:32
Well said Chris, you hit it right on the head. I sure wish there were more people that believed in FREEDOM. You can have hair as long as you want, be as black as you want, say whatever you want, be as mexican as you want, be as gay as you want, look how ever you want. Just be a good human being. Bad people are a threat to freedom because they take other peoples freedoms away, I live near ghetto areas here in Chicago and there are a lot of places that i can't go because it's just not safe. It's not safe because of the scum bags that live there. So these bad people are taking my freedom away by not leting ride the trains late at night and walk down certain streets. And police are just as bad because they take away my right to carry knives, guns, to protect myself. More freedom is always better, i'll take a few shoot outs in the street over the ban of guns any day, I'd love to see a buisness man walking to work through a bad area with 1911 in his hand, or a punkk rock chick on the EL late with a switch blade in her had waiting for piece of s&@; to try and touch her. Where i live "Laws" have given all the power to the black gang members of Chicago. I believe in Freedom, Freedom to fight back.
Comment by Chris Stookey on January 30, 2011 at 1:00

Well...the most controversial topic that I've seen talked about when it comes to knives? I'm going to generalize my answer to this under the heading of "knife control". We've all heard about "gun control", right? Well, make no mistake about it, "knife control" is being enforced daily...with additional and onerous regulation being proposed nearly as often.

 

The subject of "knife control" is a controversial one. In one camp, we have a group of people who believe that anything...and everything...that could possibly be used to hurt people, should be outlawed. In another camp, we have a group of politicians and bureaucrats that think that they were born to rule the masses (if you don't recognize this for what it is, you are under a seriously detrimental case of delusion). And in yet another camp are a group of people who believe strongly in individual freedom.  Certainly, I'm generalizing here...which will, in itself, be seen as a "controversial". To those people I say this; broad topics cannot be discussed without generalizations. This said, each of the aforementioned groups push their own agendas...which, in most cases, run counter to the interests of the other two groups.

 

As long as there are large groups of people...with differing opinions, there will be controversy. In today's society, the word "controversy" is automatically granted a negative connotation.  From my perspective, controversy can be very healthy and productive...even when it is of the "spirited" variety. This is how I see "controversy" and, to be sure, many people don't see it the same way. Of course, controversy can be heated enough to generate very counterproductive and harmful results. This happens when the mindset of people is such that they cannot tolerate and respect another person's opposing point of view. When that emotional state is reached...people can cross the proverbial line in an attempt to force the opposing individual to comply and surrender their own individualism.

 

Relative to knife control, here is how I see the three groups of people that I described above:

 

* The "ban everything that could be used to hurt people" group: I think that these people have a painfully naive view of life. It is physically impossible to stop people from hurting each other. Banning guns or knives won't, remotely, stop violence from happening. Why? The types of people inclined to hurt others don't obey laws. So...if law abiding citizens agree to give up their guns and their knives...all they succeed in doing is enabling the people inclined to hurt them. The human capacity for violence is nearly infinite. It would be nice if everybody really could just co-exist...but that just isn't consistent with human nature.

 

* The "ruler" group: At the risk of sounding cynical...I think that most of the people in this group tend to be concerned with cementing their own power. They will do whatever they need to in order to manipulate the "ban everything" crowd into their camp. Why that group and not the "individual freedom group"? Well, the latter is a threat and isn't as easy to manipulate. Also, that group is made up of individualists...who, inherently, refuse to rely on the government to "take care" of them. From the "ruler" perspective, that makes the individualists a dangerous form of opposition. The "ruler" group is parasitic in nature and tends to be most interested in feeding itself. To be fair, within that group are a few, genuinely good people...ones that really care about "the people". Unfortunately, to be successful in politics requires a predatory nature. You can't change the stripes on a tiger...

 

The "individual freedom" group: Each group comes with some upside...and some downside. The upside to the "ban everything" group is that they generally do want "peace"...if not harmony. The upside to the "ruler" group is that every society needs leaders. The downsides to both groups are pretty evident. In regards to the "individual freedom" group, the upside is that it respects people as individuals and steers away from group-think.  This group also tends to drive innovation. The downside is that too much individualism tends to break societies...even the best of them. Candidly, I fit most with this group. I don't need to be lead...and surely don't want to be restricted or told what to do/not do.

 

Ok...all that crazy generalized philosophy spat out, how does it relate to knife control? Well, the "ban everythings" want knives, guns and the like quarantined. Of course, they forget that such an act encourages violence. They also tend to want us all to live in pristine bubble wrap. While perhaps somewhat "well meaning", this group of people have a very negative influence on the knife world. I think that misguided understanding of human nature is downright dangerous. These foolish folks are a detriment to knife-freedom.

 

The "ruler" group opportunes off of the weakness of the "ban everythings". Since they view the "individualists" as a threat, they use the misguided fear of the "ban everythings" as a tool to try and disarm and weaken their opposition. This, of course, is done to strengthen their own power base. I know, I know...sounds like kooky conspiracy theory stuff. It's not...really. I'm not saying that "government" is bad and some kind of nasty villain lurking in the shadows to squish us all. What I am saying is that each of these groups has a "nature". Like any animal, we can all expect each group to follow it's very nature. And the nature of government is what it is...and these self-obsessed charmers are bad for knife-freedom.

 

The "individual freedom" group...by virtue of it's core beliefs...is actually very good for the "knife control" issue. It maintains a more realistic view of human nature and understands the old adage of "knives and guns don't kill people...people kill people". Still, within this group are a few extremists that try to manipulate the general principle to enable them to be categorically irresponsible.

 

Well...I could go on, but I'm sure that what I've written is politically incorrect enough to be quite controversial. Like I mentioned above, I"m good with spirited controversy...so if ya'all need to throw rocks, I'm wearing my helmet. Let 'em fly...

 

 

Comment by James "Clifford" Townsend on January 29, 2011 at 18:28
well we are all different...as far as knives are concerned which i belief is the conversation piece on this website how can anything be controversial...really...we are have our likes and dislikes and being adults we can afford those to each other cant we?...I have my preferences and they may not be say what Craig's are but I can still say heythats a great knife...just because it wont ever be in my collection doesnt make it less so....as for other topics...well to each their own and on their own are in a sense seperate from here this place is about the world of blades and everything related...

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