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Comment by Tobias Gibson on December 15, 2013 at 18:51

We are releasing less carbon and methane in the air than in previous times, and this is a good thing, not so much for the survival of the planer but for human health.  I agree we should conserve energy, reduce waste and recycle and properly dispose of waste.  This is part of God's command that we be stewards of the planet.

However, the amount of greenhouse gases we emit is insignificant to the amount of greenhouse gases released from  volcanic eruptions or meteor impacts. 

In actuality we have created artificial heat zones with the introduction of ever growing large cities and these are the primary location where the weather services get their temps from.  When you eliminate these artificial pockets of heat from the equation, temperatures have remained fairly constant.   If you want to do something about  artificial changes in the climate, we would be better off spreading out the population and eliminate large cities.     

Sagan was a little bit of a looney who became famous with a TV show.  Eventually he began to think he talked for the whole scientific community and the very lazy media ate up anything he said with little or no fact checking.   The man believed little Green Men were visiting the us while at the same time accepting that it would take millions and millions of years to reach another planet  with life.

Even if you do believe there is life beyond this planet (which I do), there really is no way for them to reach us  or even communicate with us without breaking the same laws of physics that Sagan believed in.  And then you also have to have the assumption that other life would actually have a reason to come here.

Comment by Howard P Reynolds on December 15, 2013 at 15:55

It might be that the Office of Technology was getting information only supporting Global Warming, when there is no conclusive proof that a. there is global warming and b. that humans are contributing to it.

It seems a proven fact that there was a "Little Ice Age" (1600s-1800s) http://shop.history.com/little-ice-age-big-chill-dvd/detail.php?p=6... that followed a warming period in which even Greenland was settled for a couple centuries.  That is, there was warming on the planet well before the Industrial Revolution or even one car.  There may or may not be global warming or humans may or may not be contributing to it today, but there is a belief that the thrust of any governmental involvement in almost anything these days is about control and not about the environment.

With regard to coal and oil controlling the government, there us evidence to the contrary.  http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/green-tech/clean-coal/epa-issue... - no new coal-fired energy plants being built, and the new EPA regs would prevent new ones anyway.  Plus, there continues to be a moratorium on drilling in ANWR.

Then there are the "junk science" advocates that got us plastic bags because paper bags came from cutting trees, which even though a renewable resource, was bad. Plastic is not biodegradable and paper is, but no matter.  And, after that it was the Spotted Owl that needed to be saved - another hoax for not cutting trees.  So, the EPA and other agencies are breaking their collective backs to pass laws saving the planet, some of which seem bogus in hindsight.  http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/260150/killing-owls-save-owl... .  

It is difficult to know who or what to believe,  but a healthy skepticism of whatever the government wants to do on our behalf is prudent, especially if we are taxed for it.

Comment by James Cole on December 15, 2013 at 13:12

Clay, If you are so concerned and want to make a change; plant at tree. Jim

Comment by Clay Strong on December 15, 2013 at 8:06

To understand Sagen's position a person has to believe in science as a means of survival for man. We still have people who don't believe in global warming. Those people can't be reached. The Office of Technology Assessment was abandoned because their reports did not support the government's agendas. The demise of OTA was a modern day book burning. The OTA reports touched upon subjects concerning every Congressional Committee, They were a thorn in the side of those in government who wanted to ignore science to have their way. So, they killed the messenger, Now decisions are based upon the most prevailing lies told by those hired to tell them. The scientist who are not dependent upon government funding will all agree that survival of mankind is dependent upon the elimination of carbon emissions from all sources. To do that we must abandon coal and oil as a source of energy, 

Unfortunately, the oil and coal industries have control of our government. New energy sources will not be seriously considered until it is too late. Wind power is the only area where some progress has been made. But, even the biggest investors in wind power have shifted their money to the coal industry. Why? Because it is clear to them that the government has every intention to continue supporting so-called "clean coal" as a reality. Those investors know they will be dead before that changes. All they care about is the quick money. They could not care less about the rest of us.The government pushes those industries that will fill the coffers of their friends who support them with funds. Mining and timber interests are big business for our government. Both continue to destroy the environment with the support of ignorant and greedy people. The EPA is simply a tool used by our government to further delay meaningful changes.by talking it to death. Any changes made will be funded by us in the rebuilding  infrastructures that are outdated anyway. Another government giveaway to firms with billions already set aside for the purpose that should be used instead. The OTC will not come back. Regulators of the financial world will continue to look the other way. Government inspections will continue be a joke. The bottom line for those of us who don't have our heads buried in the sand, is that we must prepare for the worst, and don't let those who will continue to ignore the reality of the future take us down with them when their panic sets in. 

Comment by Tobias Gibson on December 14, 2013 at 20:13

healthcare is only part of the problem.  Look at how the EPA is destroying the coal industry!  Look at how they demonize oil and gas in this country.  It is practically impossible to open refineries or drill for oil in the meantime we buy oil from countries that sponsor terrorist who attack us!

Comment by Tobias Gibson on December 14, 2013 at 19:37

Sagan is complaining that the Republicans disbanded a committee that was overlooking scienc and technology and then in the next breath is worried about the government taking over science and technology.  I don't understand his argument.  Right now the government is picking winners and losers.  If you want to waste money promoting the myth of man caused global warming you get money.  If you even hint that you position is contrary to it, then your ridiculed and  your funding is cut.  Health skepticism is of science and technology typically will only occur outside the political authority. This is nothing new.

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